Why is it harrassment to check for warrants at the polls?

[Gravity]

So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Gravity
Topic Title: Why is it harrassment to check for warrants at the polls?

Of course and make sure they don't get a chance to vote too.

Of course it is true most of those with warrants for mundane things such as lasped Car Insurance because they are poor or working poverty are mostly Democrat voters and that should preclude them from being able to vote, right???

Thought so.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

Why stop at voting???

Let's have Police State checks at the supermarket, Gas stations, post Office, everywhere.

Hell, a step further, mandate everyone get the tracking and ID chip implanted under the skin.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

It's a matter of logistics. By blindly checking warrants and such at the polls, you're delaying and disenfranchising others that would have to wait in even longer lines than they do now.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Of course we all know that the supposed mainstay of the Democrats - all those college educated, white collar intellectuals - are the primary group of folks that have warrants out on them. That's why it's harrassment.

 

[Gravity]

I understand your point on poverty but really DAve, these peeps you claim can't have car insurance due to poverty are driving brand new suv's and using other luxury items like cigarettes and alcohol.

Why would you advocate for such a group. Why do you assume that the poor are democrats?

Grocery stores are not a place where people show up and have to identify themselves.

Dave, think of the benefits; catch peeps that have abducted children, child support avoiders and violent felons.

Heck, let them vote but arrest them right after that.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

It's a matter of logistics. By blindly checking warrants and such at the polls, you're delaying and disenfranchising others that would have to wait in even longer lines than they do now.

Gee, we have the ability to perform instant gun checks, you'd think we could do a local law enforcement check in a second or two.

 

[Rainsford]

Are you kidding? Honestly, I'd almost be willing to say this is some kind of joke. What's being suggested is the legal equivalent of cops stopping random people walking down the street to see if they've done anything wrong lately. Maybe it will catch some criminals, but it's a violation of people's rights to check EVERYONE who's just voting. AFAIK, there is nothing about voting that would allow that sort of behavior. IANAL and all that.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

It's a matter of logistics. By blindly checking warrants and such at the polls, you're delaying and disenfranchising others that would have to wait in even longer lines than they do now.

Gee, we have the ability to perform instant gun checks, you'd think we could do a local law enforcement check in a second or two.

Doubt that would be the case. Can you imagine the strain on computer servers with hundreds of thousands of people trying to get the same type of information of the same time? Can you say "Downtime"?

 

[tallest1]

Holy crap Gravity, do you want us living in Fascist government next week or something?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Gravity
I understand your point on poverty but really DAve, these peeps you claim can't have car insurance due to poverty are driving brand new suv's and using other luxury items like cigarettes and alcohol.

Why would you advocate for such a group. Why do you assume that the poor are democrats?

Grocery stores are not a place where people show up and have to identify themselves.

Dave, think of the benefits; catch peeps that have abducted children, child support avoiders and violent felons.

Heck, let them vote but arrest them right after that.

Gotta love blanket generalizations!

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: tallest1
Holy crap Gravity, do you want us living in Fascist government next week or something?

LMAO...


no. I just thought I'd ask the question.

 

[Gravity]

So, is it a 4th amendment violation? Illegal search and seizure?

Or lack of probably cause? That's the only thing I can figure.

 

[Mayax]

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

I wouldn't have a problem with this but you bring up an issue (child support evaders) that makes me think it's a bad idea. The laws concerning child support are nothing short of draconian. You can lose your job, miss one payment and you're immediately targeted and a warrant issued. That's an area that's extremely messed up. Most fathers that have missed support payments are normal law abiding citizens. It's a select few that give them all a very bad stigma. It's also extremely sexist. Most women guilty of the same thing are virtually ignored.

To give you an idea, there was one guy who was a POW in the first Gulf War for about three months. When he got back to the states, he was arrested for failing to pay child support while he was a prisoner.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: tallest1
Holy crap Gravity, do you want us living in Fascist government next week or something?

LMAO...


no. I just thought I'd ask the question.

Look at it this way.... are guns potentially dangerous items? Sure, hence the checks. Is voting a dangerous acting? No, then you can't assume or contend that every person that is voting is a potential criminal. If you want to have registrations thrown away, it needs to be done before election day and done by a supervised county or city official, not partisan hacks.

 

[TranceNation]

I think we should everybody who posts on this bb their criminal history, if they have taken drugs or not, if they have any parking/traffic tickets outstanding and all that before they are allowed to post.

 

[chess9]

Who is checking names against a warrant list at the polls?

This strikes me as a poor way to pick up one or two people with outstanding warrants.

-Robert

 

[Darkhawk28]

He has no interest in checking warrants... it's all about delaying people's right to vote. The more Republicans delay voting, the better it is for them.

 

How about this reason...

BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE 4TH AMENDMENT!

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
He has no interest in checking warrants... it's all about delaying people's right to vote. The more Republicans delay voting, the better it is for them.

Nope, that's not my motivation. I was really just looking for perspectives. I agree that it's not a legal notion, therefore really a scare tactic.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
How about this reason...

BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE 4TH AMENDMENT!

That'll work. Republican mantra: Constitution, Schmonstitution...

 

[b0mbrman]

besides, people should be able to commit any crime they want without getting caught...not at the voting booth, or ever

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
He has no interest in checking warrants... it's all about delaying people's right to vote. The more Republicans delay voting, the better it is for them.

Nope, that's not my motivation. I was really just looking for perspectives. I agree that it's not a legal notion, therefore really a scare tactic.

And let's say 90% of the ones found disqualified are Republicans, would you feel the same way about your proposal at that point?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Gravity
I understand your point on poverty but really DAve, these peeps you claim can't have car insurance due to poverty are driving brand new suv's and using other luxury items like cigarettes and alcohol.

Why would you advocate for such a group. Why do you assume that the poor are democrats?

Grocery stores are not a place where people show up and have to identify themselves.

Dave, think of the benefits; catch peeps that have abducted children, child support avoiders and violent felons.

Heck, let them vote but arrest them right after that.

OK, fine. Let em vote. If in fact they are Felons and have real warrants out for things like Deadbeat Dads etc and not just Car Insurance lapse then it could be their last time they vote.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Are you kidding? Honestly, I'd almost be willing to say this is some kind of joke. What's being suggested is the legal equivalent of cops stopping random people walking down the street to see if they've done anything wrong lately. Maybe it will catch some criminals, but it's a violation of people's rights to check EVERYONE who's just voting. AFAIK, there is nothing about voting that would allow that sort of behavior. IANAL and all that.

This is where we are going under FLL Club rule, where have you been???


Better be used to it, at least up until the Revolution starts.