There haven't been a lot of studies on the long term effect of small amounts of pesticides because until recently not many companies would fund it. It goes against their agenda. However, the mentality that what you don't know can't hurt you is flawed. Apply a little common sense that pesticides likely lead to suboptimal health because they were designed to kill, many people choose to pay a little more for a better tasting and likely safer product. You can bitch about it people being cautious about their health on a forum, but I don't know why you would.
hmmm, stop generalising guys. Some organic products are not so much different with regular products, on the other hand some companies DO make healthy organic products. I just don't know which one's which.. ~_~
Either way, this was not a discussion about organic products and if they were worth it, but rather the name "Organic," which just is dumb.
Praxis1452
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SLcentral are you trying to troll? Or maybe you just need to calm the fvck down. Get over yourself. "omg I've come to the conclusion that organic doesn't really mean anything. I must make sure everyone else knows I'm right." Get over your ego trip.
I have this device that makes all my fruits and veggies organic.
It's called a sink and it excretes this magical syrum called "water" (some sort of sorcerer word) that washes the food.
I know I know... it's witchcraft, but I save a buttload of money by going through this "cleansing" process on my non-organic fruits and veggies.
It's called a sink and it excretes this magical syrum called "water" (some sort of sorcerer word) that washes the food.
I know I know... it's witchcraft, but I save a buttload of money by going through this "cleansing" process on my non-organic fruits and veggies.
They get soaked in, and there's stuff like pasta sauce. Tomatoes are one of the most treated. I spend an extra 0.40 on Prego organic for that and because it uses sugar instead of HFCS -- which keeps you from getting 2nds and 3rd servings.
DrPizza
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Ahhhh, nothing like smearing e-coli laden cow feces all over your field as fertilizer, rather than sterilized factory processed fertilizers containing the same active chemicals... 
Add me to the "I prefer better tasting food" and around here, that simply means purchasing my fruits and vegetables in season. I have all the organic apples I could ever want, and all the organically produced brown eggs from non-caged chickens that I could ever want. Next year (hopefully), I'll put in about a 10,000 square foot garden and grow plenty more "organically" grown vegetables - which means, I'll have chickens and guinea hens running around, crapping all over my vegetables while they're eating bugs.
Add me to the "I prefer better tasting food" and around here, that simply means purchasing my fruits and vegetables in season. I have all the organic apples I could ever want, and all the organically produced brown eggs from non-caged chickens that I could ever want. Next year (hopefully), I'll put in about a 10,000 square foot garden and grow plenty more "organically" grown vegetables - which means, I'll have chickens and guinea hens running around, crapping all over my vegetables while they're eating bugs.
Jeff7
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I don't like the term "organic" either - all food is organic.
It would be nice to have a different term to indicate that the food isn't grown using highly toxic chemicals. There's just something about using toxins on food that strikes me as slightly stupid. Slightly.
Fertilizers - alright, assuming they contain the same chemicals in the same concentrations as would be obtained from manure. Pesticides and herbicides are my main concern. They are chemicals designed to kill life forms. Studies in tadpoles show that when multiple toxins are ingested, each at a "safe" level, the combined effect can cause health problems. So you eat tomato sauce, grape jam, peanut butter, pasta, or strawberry ice cream - things that YOU cannot wash. Each has ingredients treated with different chemicals. The combined effects of the residue could cause problems.
The other thing about manure use - nature's been doing things that way for a long long time. Plants also have a vested interest in the survival of the animals that eat their fruit. If that fruit is toxic, animals won't eat it, and thus the plant won't be able to spread seeds around nearly as efficiently.
I prefer cage free or free range simply because of the cruelty-to-animals aspect of confining chickens to crowded cages for life. They're doing us a service, so we could at least be benevolent caregivers and not willingly give a life of suffering.
While I do like the "organic" movement, I worry about its future. Everyone notices the higher price of organic food. Given time, organic technique will likely improve - or else loopholes will be put into what counts as "USDA Organic" thus making some of the rules more relaxed - and the cost to farmers will go down. But the prices will not likely decline accordingly, not while there's the potential for fat profit margins.
It would be nice to have a different term to indicate that the food isn't grown using highly toxic chemicals. There's just something about using toxins on food that strikes me as slightly stupid. Slightly.
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Ahhhh, nothing like smearing e-coli laden cow feces all over your field as fertilizer, rather than sterilized factory processed fertilizers containing the same active chemicals...
Add me to the "I prefer better tasting food" and around here, that simply means purchasing my fruits and vegetables in season. I have all the organic apples I could ever want, and all the organically produced brown eggs from non-caged chickens that I could ever want. Next year (hopefully), I'll put in about a 10,000 square foot garden and grow plenty more "organically" grown vegetables - which means, I'll have chickens and guinea hens running around, crapping all over my vegetables while they're eating bugs.
Fertilizers - alright, assuming they contain the same chemicals in the same concentrations as would be obtained from manure. Pesticides and herbicides are my main concern. They are chemicals designed to kill life forms. Studies in tadpoles show that when multiple toxins are ingested, each at a "safe" level, the combined effect can cause health problems. So you eat tomato sauce, grape jam, peanut butter, pasta, or strawberry ice cream - things that YOU cannot wash. Each has ingredients treated with different chemicals. The combined effects of the residue could cause problems.
The other thing about manure use - nature's been doing things that way for a long long time. Plants also have a vested interest in the survival of the animals that eat their fruit. If that fruit is toxic, animals won't eat it, and thus the plant won't be able to spread seeds around nearly as efficiently.
Eggs from chickens that are not force-fed antibiotics, even though they may be disease free, may be a problem. It's the usual story you hear - antibiotic residue may make it into the food, or improper use of antibiotics can lead to resistant bacteria.
I prefer cage free or free range simply because of the cruelty-to-animals aspect of confining chickens to crowded cages for life. They're doing us a service, so we could at least be benevolent caregivers and not willingly give a life of suffering.
While I do like the "organic" movement, I worry about its future. Everyone notices the higher price of organic food. Given time, organic technique will likely improve - or else loopholes will be put into what counts as "USDA Organic" thus making some of the rules more relaxed - and the cost to farmers will go down. But the prices will not likely decline accordingly, not while there's the potential for fat profit margins.
Demon-Xanth
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- Feb 15, 2000
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