Why is it always the US that is expected to help the world when it comes to disasters

Hugo Drax

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You never see Europeans doing it. It is always expected that we send out massive logistical operations and spend billions to any country that suffers any natural disaster.

The Europeans just sit back and watch, they might of course throw out their opinions about how we are doing it wrong from the comfort of their afternoon social tea, but they will not lift a finger or throw a shilling to help others in need.
 

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Svnla

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Well, to be fair, other countries are helping too.

Japan is sending aid plus military planes with personnel to help. Australia is sending at least $30 million to help. Other poorer countries in Asia are sending money too.

Germany is sending at least $500K Euro in emergency and more later, UK is sending ships to help, and so on.


Here is a list of links to help = http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/10/help-typhoon-haiyan-relief-effort
 
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CPA

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Because we are the world's police, army, doctors, hospital, EMT's, and disaster recovery. And if we don't, we'll take a beating in the world media.
 

OverVolt

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JEDIYoda

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Has alot to do with globalization IMO. We try to cut deals with developing countries for their resources. They get loans from the IMF to develop their resources for sale. (to us, yay)

So its not exactly charity, you see.

We are starting to suffer pretty heavy diminishing returns on this strategy though.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-bank-imf.html

Its generally the G8 and the IMF doling out the aid.
you wish......
We have always helped the Philippine people in time of trouble.....they have nothing to offer in terms of resources or anything else...
 

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Because we live in the USA, and thus only hear about requests for American help. You might as well live in France and complain about everyone always asking France for help, or live in South Korea and complain about South Koreans being asked for help.
 

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you wish......
We have always helped the Philippine people in time of trouble.....they have nothing to offer in terms of resources or anything else...

We used to have military bases there, now they are more of a 'shining island in the sea.' setting an example for other SEA countries and one of our best allies in the region.
 

OverVolt

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Other than a strategic location in SE Asia for military bases you mean? :p

Its never charity was the point.
 

Strk

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Because we live in bubbles and don't realize that other countries actually do send billions in aid?

And percentage-wise, we're pretty shitty. It's not that other countries are that stellar, but we're pretty low even by low standards.
 

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There are few people in the USA these days who don't have ties to the Philippines, either through military relationships, marriage or someone they are related to or know is married to a Filipino. I have several Filipino relatives through marriage, both here and abroad. So we are coming to the aid of our families and allies.
 

1prophet

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And the second largest economy in the world gave less than IKEA or the Coca Cola company:whiste:

Just remember this when you save a buck on your cheap made in china goods, which brought their economy to the top, before you go blaming China.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...d-hurting-reputation-20885303?singlePage=true



For Philippine Relief, China Beat by Ikea, Coke

The outpouring of international aid to the Philippines makes China's contribution for typhoon relief look like a trickle: even Swedish furniture chain Ikea and beverage giant Coca-Cola have done more than the world's second-largest economy. That won't help Beijing's campaign to win over neighbors with its soft power.




China has pledged less than $2 million in cash and materials, compared to $20 million provided by the United States, which also launched a massive military-driven rescue operation that includes an aircraft carrier.


Another Chinese rival, Japan, on Friday pledged another $20 million in aid, raising its total to $30 million, and offered to send troops, ships and planes. Australia is giving $28 million, and Ikea has offered $2.7 million through its charitable foundation. The Coca-Cola Company said Friday it is donating more than $2.5 million in cash and aid material, including 129,000 cases of water.


China's reluctance to give more — driven by a bitter feud with Manila over overlapping claims in the South China Sea — dents its global image at a time when it is vying with Washington for regional influence.


"China has missed an excellent opportunity to show itself as a responsible power and to generate goodwill," said Zheng Yongnian, a China politics expert at the National University of Singapore. "They still lack strategic thinking."


The decline of American influence in Asia, with China filling the vacuum, has been predicted for years. Asian nations have become increasingly dependent on China's booming economy to purchase their exports, and Chinese companies are increasingly providers of investment and employment.


Yet, China lags far behind the U.S. in the sphere of soft power — the winning of hearts and minds through culture, education, and other non-traditional forms of diplomacy, of which emergency assistance is a major component.


Despite Chinese academics' frequent promotion of soft power, Chinese leaders don't really get it, said Zheng. Instead, they continue to rely on the levers of old-fashioned major-nation diplomacy based on economic and military might. "They still think they can get their way through coercion," Zheng said.


China's donations to Philippines include $100,000 each from the government and the Chinese Red Cross, and it is sending an additional $1.64 million in tents, blankets and other goods.


Meanwhile, the USS George Washington aircraft carrier arrived off the Philippine coast Thursday, and 1,000 troops were expected on the ground in the disaster zone by the end of the week. U.S. planes and choppers carried in supplies and flew out survivors. "We are operating 24-7," Marine Capt. Cassandra Gesecki said.


In the devastated town of Tacloban, U.S. Air Force Capt. Jon Shamess took a break from work on a damaged airstrip, and said he was "thankful" for the opportunity. "I hope that in my time of immense loss somebody will come and help me as well. I can tell you this is a global effort," he said.
Britain, another leading contributor to the relief effort, is sending the aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious later this month.


Beijing's tepid response to the disaster shows how its feud with Manila over territory — fed by a constant drumbeat of invective from the government and state media — is metastasizing to all areas of its interactions with the Philippines.


Though Beijing's sea claims overlap with Vietnam and others, it has singled out the Philippines, apparently because of Manila's energetic assertions of its own claims. Beijing was enraged by Manila's decision to send the dispute to international arbitration and constantly rails against its close military alliance with the U.S.


China's generosity with the Philippines hasn't entirely dried up. It pledged $80,000 to the Philippines last month following a major earthquake there, in addition to this week's pledges. And President Xi Jinping expressed his sympathy to his Philippine counterpart Benigno Aquino in the latest

disaster, although a five full days later and without mentioning assistance.
Chinese leaders are notoriously sensitive to public opinion on foreign affairs.


On the Chinese Internet, the chief outlet for such expression, sentiment is strongly against providing aid.


"Why should we donate to the Philippines so that they can arm themselves with warships and aircraft? Is the Philippines a country that understands gratitude? Didn't we show our warm heart to the country? What did we get from that? Nothing," Fu Yao, a popular maker of micro-films, wrote on his miniblog.



Zhu Feng, an international relations expert at Peking University, said the amount donated "reflects the political deadlock, if not outright hostility, between the two countries. The political atmosphere is the biggest influence."


An additional factor could be China is a relative newcomer to overseas disaster relief. The country sent tents and a medical mission to hardest-hit Aceh province in Indonesia after the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami and government and public donations ranged in the millions of dollars.


Since then, China's participation has been mainly limited to assisting close ally Pakistan with flood and earthquake relief and some help to foreign nationals fleeing Libya during an unprecedented mission to evacuate 30,000 of its citizens from the war-torn nation.


When China has suffered natural disasters itself, it has largely handled them on its own. China has considerable capacity to do so and depends on its own military, the world's largest. After the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, for example, it accepted only token foreign aid. The Philippines offered a medical team and emergency supplies, but China declined that and other offers at the time.


China's private sector isn't likely to step into the gap. Charity is dominated by the government, with few private organizations of national reach. Those that exist, such as the Red Cross, have often been discredited by allegations of corruption and waste.


Meanwhile, corporate philanthropy remains in its infancy and China's growing class of millionaires and billionaires are notoriously loath to part with their wealth. Privately, and online, many Chinese say any attempt to help by a mainland Chinese company would go down badly with the public.


That contrasts starkly with the Chinese territory of Hong Kong, which is helping despite strong public outrage over Manila's handling of a 2010 hostage crisis that killed Hong Kong residents. From Hong Kong, aid teams were dispatched and private charities pledged millions in donations.
Ultimately, the damage to China will be "remarkably small," but only because countries have little real love for Beijing and were expecting little from it, said University of Nottingham China expert Steve Tsang.


"It's an expression of China's petty-mindedness," Tsang said. "China already demands respect so other countries fear but don't love it."
 

Agent11

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Because we live in bubbles and don't realize that other countries actually do send billions in aid?

And percentage-wise, we're pretty shitty. It's not that other countries are that stellar, but we're pretty low even by low standards.

Perhaps, but we are Oprah compared to China.
 

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for all we know, the u.s. govt or haarp or whatever could've caused that shit.

and i dont think that the u.s. govt is helping considering that troops are being sent there... resources are probably being stolen.
 

OverVolt

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for all we know, the u.s. govt or haarp or whatever could've caused that shit.

I really doubt it.

Maybe it was intended to hit China and we missed lmao! But that is just a joke to clarify. I don't think that is something we can technologically do.
 

werepossum

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Um, isn't this a privilege born of success? Besides, lots of other nations do help, they just don't have big showy aircraft carriers. (Well, France does, but even if the propellers didn't fall off they have to expect the crew might surrender it to local looters.)

There are few people in the USA these days who don't have ties to the Philippines, either through military relationships, marriage or someone they are related to or know is married to a Filipino. I have several Filipino relatives through marriage, both here and abroad. So we are coming to the aid of our families and allies.
Would be interesting to see a President say "My fellow Americans, I'm sending $1 billion in emergency aid to our friends in the Philippines because let's be honest, those Filipino women are smokin' hot!"
 

Jhhnn

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Why is it always the US that is expected to help the world when it comes to disasters?

Because, as the wealthiest nation on earth, as a compassionate people, we expect it of ourselves. Well, other than our selfish rightwing haters, currently displaying those very qualities. They even whine when we help our own citizens- witness the reactions to Katrina & Sandy, just for starters.

They rarely pass up an opportunity to remind the rest of us that they suck.
 

waggy

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You never see Europeans doing it. It is always expected that we send out massive logistical operations and spend billions to any country that suffers any natural disaster.

The Europeans just sit back and watch, they might of course throw out their opinions about how we are doing it wrong from the comfort of their afternoon social tea, but they will not lift a finger or throw a shilling to help others in need.

whaa?

this is silly. of course other countries of the world help out.