why is it acceptable to be anti-science when it comes to food?

[0roo0roo]

because they are lefties, and the media can't be bothered to go after them.

 

[spidey07]

It's because the organic movement isn't based on science, it's based on belief. It's a religion and you can't have scientific debate over religious issues. There's no science that backs up their outlandish claims but they still believe it.

No point in arguing it, just sit back and laugh as big companies continue to take advantage of their misguided beliefs and charge them more money for the same product.

Yep. It's a huge scam to charge people more money for food and nothing else. And idiots are eating it up to make them feel better ignoring science and fact.

They've convinced these fools that food is bad for them, so buy my food because it's not bad for you! Brilliant.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Grass fed beef is far more appealing to me than the shit they pass as cow at the super market.. Mind you the local farmers market meat is likely better than that whether grass fed or not. I do tend to prefer the more "gamy" taste though, which does not appeal to everyone. It tastes much more like moose than your average factory cow.

It is because of corn feed that we even have to worry about e-coli in the first place, it seems strange to me we bother feeding it to them at all (money money I suppose).


That being said, is the only part of the OP that I could agree upon scientifically.. Grass feeding does actually have differences both in taste and in the quantity of e-coli the cow produces (up to 80% less with grass).

The soap thing is silly.. but one does need to remember that it is very likely at least one of the chemicals we currently use today in our bathroom things will be illegal at some point in the future as we learn more about it.

As for the other dietary things, less simple carbs is simply good for you, and while I don't have problem with preservatives if given the choice between the chili I'm making from scratch right now and a can from the store... well come on 😀... If it helps people eat better! lol.

One thing that bothers me to some extent is that just because some loon may claim that "this organic food is great because of the good vibrations!" does not mean we can discount all factual benefit altering how we eat may provide. Science is just as closed minded as the fundamentalists at times.

I really couldn't care less that it contains 60% more Omega3 and balances the Omega6 perfectly (which would make it a perfect source of fat and protein for human consumption, gee, could this be why humans thought of this as a great source of nutrition from the start? The fucking neanderthals were brighter than most posters on this forum) but i do care about marbeling, see, you can cook a bright read piece of slab for a second, minute or five hours, it'll NEVER taste proper, what you want is a slab from an animal that has worked it's muscles and grown over time, that provides the intramuscular fat that doesn't look all that hot when you buy meat, it'll be pink with white streams here and there but this is the Angus meat, this is the queen jewel, this is what you want for dinner.

One thing though, "science is close minded"... are you fucked in your head? Science can never BE close minded you utter twat.

 

[JulesMaximus]

in most circles, doubting global warming or talking about "intelligent design" is going to get you mocked (or at least laughed at behind your back)... so why is it, though, that being anti-science is so acceptable when it comes to food?

on another forum that I post at, some guy made a post about his new diet that consists of all-organic food (and organic soap as well, because he's convinced that his soap is seeping into his skin and giving him cancer), no preservatives whatsoever, only grass-fed meat, and no refined flours or sugars.

my thought was "god damn you're retarded," but this forum, which is always eager to bash the anti-science attitude of some religions, practically creamed itself with "omg, that's so awesome. western food is killing this planet."

Because eating foods that aren't loaded with preservatives actually has some merit...unlike ID.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yep. It's a huge scam to charge people more money for food and nothing else. And idiots are eating it up to make them feel better ignoring science and fact.

They've convinced these fools that food is bad for them, so buy my food because it's not bad for you! Brilliant.

Not really, free range meat is a lot better tasting, it might not look all red (it shouldn't, if it's leaking blood, it'll fry dry) and cute like machine grown waste from steer but in a taste test, no one would grade it lower than corn fed crap meat, not even you.

Let's be honest here, it's more tender, more juicy and has better taste, there is no doubt it's better in every possible way except maybe when it comes to price, but OTOH, your fat arse needs smaller portions anyway.

 

[Daedalus685]

One thing though, "science is close minded"... are you fucked in your head? Science can never BE close minded you utter twat.

ooo, tough words 😛

I do not mean "science" in the sense of the thing called science, but those who practice it. I should have said scientists (of which I am one), my mistake. Science can never be open minded either, as it by itself can not think.

I mean that very often "hippy things" are enough to discount what could be a very useful field of research. Homeopathy is a good example, it is utterly asinine from a scientific sense to believe almost anything about it. Yet because of this crazy stigma (edit: I mean that the stigma is that of 'crazy', not that it is a silly stigma particularly.. albeit a useless one) the ethics and possibility of designing a front line placebo treatment are entirely avoided like the plague for fear of losing everyone one has worked for.

Food is the same, there are rather well documented studies showing how the nutritional value (vitamin density) of food as decreased rapidly over the last century. In no small part due to the organic movement all studies to find out why are so biased as to be laughable and nearly all simply end with the statement such as "see organic is the way to go, blah blah" or "our food is fine the way it is". No science is conducted by these scientists in the slightest in order to avoid or push forward the political and faith based ideas.

You pointed it out yourself with how far we go in north america to avoid recommending simple solutions for the 'mad cow'. I feel that a large portion o the fear in criticizing the system is that as soon as a group is put in the same limelight as the organic movement (or insert any fringe group) their future credibility may be entirely tarnished. Thus the community is very closed minded, and he science they practice is skewed.

 

[Gibsons]

It's not strange, excercise and slower growing muscles have more intramuscular fat, that is what you want, a bright red steak without anything but an external fat strip will be dry and horrible, a pink marbeled steak might not look as great before it's cooked but it will be tender and juicy.

What the heck are you talking about? A pink/red heavily marbled steak looks like a taste bud orgasm to me.

 

[sandorski]

There's a significant difference between these subjects. The biggest difference being Motive(Profit mostly), but another big difference is how Rushed and Unstudied certain Food changes are. Then there's the difference of how Open/Closed the Science of the 2 are. Other issues come into play, such as the Ethics around Animal Abuse/Rights and Corporate vs more Traditional Family based Farming. Controversies also exist around Patents and the quite regular issues caused when certain Chemicals or Medicines are shown to be detrimental to Health(not that "organic" is immune to Health issues).

However, for some there certainly is an Anti-Science bias, but for the most part there are many good reasons that feed it.

 

[ahenkel]

Not at all. Free range chickens have access to free range roosters, and you know what eggs are really for. They weren't created for humans to eat ;^)

The spots are small, so it's no big deal. It's like finding a weevil in your pancakes. It only matters if you let it matter.

It only gets gross when you crack half a gestated chick in your frying pan, Done that a few times.

I do prefer our eggs to store bought for everything but fried or sunny side up the yolk is too over powering.

 

[Nintendesert]

The USDA doesn't even have a definition for free range beef, it's all a sham. Another label slapped onto beef so people can fool themselves into thinking it tastes better. The breed of cow has more of an effect the quality of the meet than whether it got to wander a field with or without a fence.

 

[lxskllr]

The breed of cow has more of an effect the quality of the meet than whether it got to wander a field with or without a fence.

LMAO! It's not the same thing at all. It's the difference between wandering a field at all, or a concrete slab.

 

[spidey07]

LMAO! It's not the same thing at all. It's the difference between wandering a field at all, or a concrete slab.

It is about the same thing because as stated the rules for labeling are very lax. And the breed of cow is the biggest determination for flavor, that cannot be debated, it's pure fact. What they eat or if they get to walk a 10x10 foot caged field for a few days out of the month day makes little to no difference other than to make you feel better.

Organic and "free range" are the monster cable of food, and idiots are lapping it up.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

What the heck are you talking about? A pink/red heavily marbled steak looks like a taste bud orgasm to me.

Well then you want free range animals only.

BUT bright red steaks is what most people do find to look more appetizing... yes, most people are fucking stupid.

I doubt this comes as news to you.

 

[lxskllr]

It is about the same thing because as stated the rules for labeling are very lax. And the breed of cow is the biggest determination for flavor, that cannot be debated, it's pure fact. What they eat or if they get to walk a 10x10 foot caged field for a few days out of the month day makes little to no difference other than to make you feel better.

Organic and "free range" are the monster cable of food, and idiots are lapping it up.

Bullshit. What the USDA thinks of anything I can't be concerned with because they'd fuckup a wet dream. a 10*10 section isn't free range, and if you researched what you were buying, you'd know exactly how free range your product was. If you can't be bothered to look it up, you deserve exactly what you purchase.

 

[Daedalus685]

Well then you want free range animals only.

BUT bright red steaks is what most people do find to look more appetizing... yes, most people are fucking stupid.

I doubt this comes as news to you.

And most bright red steaks have food colouring in them to get said people to buy em.. lol

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It is about the same thing because as stated the rules for labeling are very lax. And the breed of cow is the biggest determination for flavor, that cannot be debated, it's pure fact. What they eat or if they get to walk a 10x10 foot caged field for a few days out of the month day makes little to no difference other than to make you feel better.

Organic and "free range" are the monster cable of food, and idiots are lapping it up.

No, some people don't like to chew each piece of meat for three minutes and have it be dry and horrible...

Without exercise muscle produced will be type one fiber muscle, it's the same in ALL animals, it will have no intramuscular fat and it will be long thick muscle fibre...

Perhaps you like that but i like a free range marbled steak bright pink with short fibers that i can grill for a couple of minutes on each side to make it juicy and so tender...

Are you ACTUALLY of the belief that exercise and diet has nothing to do with the muscles of any animal? If so you are a reatarded fuck, if you do, meat is the muscle of these animals so of fucking course it makes a difference.

Let me guess, you just boil it for a couple of hours and say... mmm tender?

 

[Nintendesert]

I'll take a penned up Kobe beef steak over some free range retard cow steak any day of the week. So obviously rubbing a cow's ass does more than letting it roam free.

 

[DrPizza]

The USDA doesn't even have a definition for free range beef, it's all a sham. Another label slapped onto beef so people can fool themselves into thinking it tastes better. The breed of cow has more of an effect the quality of the meet than whether it got to wander a field with or without a fence.

But they do for free range chicken. Factory chicken farm? 75ftx200ft building filled with chickens? Slap a doggy door at the end of the building and a 10x10ft caged area that the chickens can go outside into = "free range."

Why does your chicken suck? It's because most chickens are cornish cross chickens - they've been cross bred into genetic mutants. They hit 8 pounds in 8 weeks. (The ones they cull at 4 weeks of age because they're not growing as well are called "cornish game hens." You fools pay extra for that!) Other breeds of chickens that take longer to mature often have a better flavor. i.e. most people recognize that there's a flavor & marbling difference between wagyu cattle, angus, holsteins, jerseys, etc., but it never occurs to them that there's a difference in flavor among varieties of chickens.

Then again, as you're taking a big bite of some other breed of chicken.... "tastes like... chicken!"

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

And most bright red steaks have food colouring in them to get said people to buy em.. lol

Actually that is illegal in the EU, but they do leak juice when longfiber compacted, you can't really eat that kind of meat without boiling it..

 

[Daedalus685]

Actually that is illegal in the EU, but they do leak juice when longfiber compacted, you can't really eat that kind of meat without boiling it..

Illegal in Canada too, but don't tell our neighbors 😉

(It may actually be illegal there by now too)

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

But they do for free range beef. Factory chicken farm? 75ftx200ft building filled with chickens? Slap a doggy door at the end of the building and a 10x10ft caged area that the chickens can go outside into = "free range."

I can't speak for others but i live in the outskirts of Sheffield and the farmers i buy most things from at home have very few animals and while they keep them very well it's the forest they make money off of.

So no, the chickens are free to walk all around the farmhouse and still have their home, of course, about now they will stay mostly indoors because of the heating and it's getting cold in Sheffield.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Illegal in Canada too, but don't tell our neighbors 😉

(It may actually be illegal there by now too)

Some will chew it all night long and claim that it's tender and juicy non-free range meat!

Some people are nuts, it's not like you can't taste the difference, you can, i buy meat from local farmers when i'm at home, half an oxe and half a pig with ten chickens and one turkey around Christmas, in my family we only eat turkey on new years eve... god i love turkey, it's still warm from slaughter when i stuff it before i put it in the oven...

I really hope i'll be home this christmas, i still don't know if i will.

 

[DrPizza]

I can't speak for others but i live in the outskirts of Sheffield and the farmers i buy most things from at home have very few animals and while they keep them very well it's the forest they make money off of.

So no, the chickens are free to walk all around the farmhouse and still have their home, of course, about now they will stay mostly indoors because of the heating and it's getting cold in Sheffield.

I didn't think it got that cold in Sheffield. It's been in the 20's a few times here (below zero C) & the chickens are only inside at night.

Personally, I prefer to eat locally grown. But, I recognize that there's no way that those farming techniques (which are quite wasteful) are sufficient to feed the population of the world. So screw all the city folk, and let the big corporations play around with their legal definitions so that consumers continue to be mostly ignorant about what their eating. I'll just continue to have locally grown food for at least 1/2 of my diet. (Reminds me; I have to pick up about 75 squashes tomorrow to put in the cold cellar.)

 

[Nintendesert]

Yup. I like the local stuff but not for the "organic" or "free range" stuff. I do it to financially support the local farmers. I grew up buying eggs from local places and slaughtering my own pigs.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

I agree with everything said here.
Also high fructose corn syrup is good for you!