Why is intel so much more stable than AMD?

[jiffylube1024]

AMD being less stable than Intel as a generality is a myth. The reason AMD is viewed as less stable is because of flaky motherboards that have been paired with Athlon chips in the past (most notably VIA chipsets).

Since Nforce and especially Nforce2, a rock-stable AMD board was never hard to find, and it's quite easy to build an equally stable Athlon XP/Athlon64 system these days to a Pentium 4 system.

Plus, we're still on the first generation of Athlon64 boards; Nforce4 should be a similar improvement over NF3 as NF2 was over NF1.


Intel's dominance in other markets is due to a number of factors, mainly:

-brand loyalty
-monopoly levying (do you think Dell really "doesn't want to" offer AMD systems at all, despite AMD's sucess over the past couple of years, for example?)
-past achievements/reputation (there is no question that AMD was not in Intel's league in the server market as recently as a couple years ago)

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: zenwhen
Wow, these boards are sure packed with AMD fanboys.

I wonder why Intel owns the "must be stable" professional workstation market...

Only because they have been in it longer. In two years, AMD has gone from virtually zero to 7% (not sure the exact number) I think that is amazing. Just keep that attitude up, and AMD will pass right by them one of these days IF THEY KEEP UP WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW.

BTW, My Opteron workstation has been running 2 instances of F@H, and everhting else I want for months 24/7, no problems. So I am not talking out of my a$$. At work, we have to keep rebooting our Intel dualies (citrix servers) since after updating the Mcaffe dats, they won't come back on their own, they just lock up. That doesn;t hapen to mine. So don't give me the Intel is the most stable crap. At least tied is my take (many peices of software can have bad effects and make systems lock up)

You are talking out of your a$$. AMD is, and always will be, number two.

FelixdeCat Philosophy 101: Grasshopper must remember that if something stupid and wrong is repeated enough than ignorant people will believe it as a truth due to the weariness of repitition.

Please FelixdeCat I beg of you as a Intel and AMD user let your comments be over brotherly silicon love and the frequency of core Joy rather than continue this charade of mock AMD diatribe that is as unworthy of your intellect as the AMD fanboys and girls diatribe over Intel is of theirs. Blessings of Processor Truce be upon You my Friend

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

You are talking out of your a$$. AMD is, and always will be, number two.

Why haven't you been deleted yet?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: zenwhen
Wow, these boards are sure packed with AMD fanboys.

I wonder why Intel owns the "must be stable" professional workstation market...

Inertia...actually, they are losing the workstation market VERY rapidly.
Intel is currently only gaining or maintaining share in 2 areas...low end servers (single CPU only), and mobile platforms.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: zenwhen
Wow, these boards are sure packed with AMD fanboys.

I wonder why Intel owns the "must be stable" professional workstation market...

Inertia...actually, they are losing the workstation market VERY rapidly.
Intel is currently only gaining or maintaining share in 2 areas...low end servers (single CPU only), and mobile platforms.

Yea, that was the point I was trying to make. I don;t suppose you know the actual percentages ? I thoug it was from 0-7% in 2 years for the Opteron server market for AMD, does that sound right ?

 

[Mik3y]

zenwhen, there's a reason why so many tech forums are packed wtih amd fanboys. first of all, amd is currently superior to intel, and 2nd their cheaper. when you put together price and performance, that's a very powerful duo. even still, intel has its edge on the rest of the market because of its name. its no wonder why celerons are the world highest selling cpu's while they perform worse then amd's cheaper xp line. its because of the name, intel.

 

[imported_zenwhen]

True, and they got that name by providing rock solid chips and chipsets. People stick with brands they trust. Intel is a brand you can trust.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: zenwhen
True, and they got that name by providing rock solid chips and chipsets. People stick with brands they trust. Intel is a brand you can trust.

Yea, seriously, their Centrio chipset is great. I mean, it doesn't work with over 6 major ram maker's chips, but aside from that blatant error, its just peachy!

 

[imported_zenwhen]

Use approved ram, problem solved. Is that so hard?

Seriously, "AMD is taking over the CPU market!" guys are worse than "Linux is taking over the desktop!" guys.

Both are blind.

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: zenwhen
True, and they got that name by providing rock solid chips and chipsets. People stick with brands they trust. Intel is a brand you can trust.

i agree, i can trust intel. in fact, that i like them. they are not a bad company at all, but because of the price and perfomance aspects of amd, that's reason why i prefer them over intel more so at this time being, and that is why more technology aware people currently prefer amd over intel (like most tech forums).

amd can never be on top forever, and we all know that because intel is 2nd for the reasons of price and performance. and because amd is so well matched against intel, i dont see how they can not trade places at the leader position over time.

and like i mentioned before, i believe there are three very important variables to becoming a great and reputationable cpu: price, performance, and market strength. amd has 2 out of 3, and intel has 1 out of that 3 as leader, and being the superior strength in the market vs amd is perhaps the strongest aspect either intel or amd can have.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: zenwhen
Use approved ram, problem solved. Is that so hard?

Seriously, "AMD is taking over the CPU market!" guys are worse than "Linux is taking over the desktop!" guys.

Both are blind.

Use approved ram, thats your solution? Why can't i just buy a stick of quality Corsair or Kingston ram for half the price instead of buying it through Dell/IBM/etc? It SHOULD work unless you have an inferior chipset.

As for the AMD fanboys, yea they can be a bit overpower in here. But still, look at the damn thread title, it merited it. For the most part they are merely speaking the truth. For the time being AMD is infact elbowing its way further into the market, nothing more.

 

[imported_zenwhen]

There's actually only one important factor when determining the future of the market share battle between the two companies.

Dell.

I think we know who has that factor on their side.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: zenwhen
There's actually only one important factor when determining the future of the market share battle between the two companies.

Dell.

I think we know who has that factor on their side.

Your kidding, right? Dells overall sales in all departments still only account for 18.5%. HP has 16%...

What about the other 65% of computer sales?

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy

Originally posted by: zenwhen
There's actually only one important factor when determining the future of the market share battle between the two companies.

Dell.

I think we know who has that factor on their side.

Your kidding, right? Dells overall sales in all departments still only account for 18.5%. HP has 16%...

What about the other 65% of computer sales?

pwnd !

 

[VoraciousGorak]

Originally posted by: charloscarlies

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Because your university sucks at buying/building AMD?

Flamebait.

- M4H

Agreed. I've always been somewhat of an Intel fan in the past...but AMD has swayed me with their better price/performance ratio for the type of apps I run. Absolutely no stability issues whatsoever...and both of my rigs run 24/7 all year long.

Same. I've got three heavily overclocked Athlon XP machines Folding 24/7 in my room, the only stability issue being the crappy power circuit in my house that drops about once every two days (or when my roomie plugs her hair dryer into the same circuit and pops the breaker:|....)

I also used to have a pair of P4 setups alongside the XPs, they ran perfectly fine as well... what your uni's problem sounds like, boredtodeath, is a major case of PEBKAC.

Originally posted by: zenwhen
Use approved ram, problem solved. Is that so hard?

Seriously, "AMD is taking over the CPU market!" guys are worse than "Linux is taking over the desktop!" guys.

Both are blind.

Last I heard (and I could be wrong, but I've heard it from many places) AMD has more of the home PC market than Intel. Hmm. They could probably have the server market if their fabs could crank out more CPUs than they are now, their only issue is yield.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
AMD can be equally as stable as an Intel system. AMD got a bad rap a long time ago with being unstable. It wasn't AMDs fault though, it was motherboard manufacturers. VIA and others at the time didn't have stable board chips and were using inferior quality parts. A lot of that has changed for the better now.

:::::snicker::::::

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
AMD can be equally as stable as an Intel system. AMD got a bad rap a long time ago with being unstable. It wasn't AMDs fault though, it was motherboard manufacturers. VIA and others at the time didn't have stable board chips and were using inferior quality parts. A lot of that has changed for the better now.

:::::snicker::::::

:::::twix::::::

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: zenwhen
There's actually only one important factor when determining the future of the market share battle between the two companies.

Dell.

I think we know who has that factor on their side.

You really think Dell controls the market? and I supose if Dell abandoned Intel completly for VIA processors and chipsets VIA would become the market share leader.

I think Microsoft can influance the market much more than dell could ever dream of.

If Microsoft was as slow at getting HT support for the P4 as they have been with supporting AMDs 64 bit we might be seeing a HT capable OS any day now. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure an X86-64 bit OS requires much more work than supporting a virtual processor but the fact still remains that Microsoft has more control over the majority of systems than Dell. If Dell did what I said above they would be the ones loosing market share, if Microsoft did what I said above Intel would be loosing market share not Microsoft.

 

[Sunbird]

To reply to the originals posters question, it probably all depends on the motherboards. Maybe whoever the university got the PC's from gave the AMD's crappy motherboards, you can get crappy motherboards for Intel too.

And then there is the driver issue, maybe the drivers for the boards of the AMD where never updated while the intels board drivers where good form the start?

Just a thought, use it, don't use it, whatever....

 

[imported_zenwhen]

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: zenwhen
There's actually only one important factor when determining the future of the market share battle between the two companies.

Dell.

I think we know who has that factor on their side.

You really think Dell controls the market? and I supose if Dell abandoned Intel completly for VIA processors and chipsets VIA would become the market share leader.

I think Microsoft can influance the market much more than dell could ever dream of.

If Microsoft was as slow at getting HT support for the P4 as they have been with supporting AMDs 64 bit we might be seeing a HT capable OS any day now. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure an X86-64 bit OS requires much more work than supporting a virtual processor but the fact still remains that Microsoft has more control over the majority of systems than Dell. If Dell did what I said above they would be the ones loosing market share, if Microsoft did what I said above Intel would be loosing market share not Microsoft.

Oh Microsoft is a factor as well. Microsoft and Dell are two factors that are going to keep Intel on top.

They WILL catch AMD on every front, because they have nearly unlmited resources to do so. It will never have mattered that AMD enjoyed a lead in performance or features, as far as total market share goes.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: zenwhen

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: zenwhen
There's actually only one important factor when determining the future of the market share battle between the two companies.

Dell.

I think we know who has that factor on their side.

You really think Dell controls the market? and I supose if Dell abandoned Intel completly for VIA processors and chipsets VIA would become the market share leader.

I think Microsoft can influance the market much more than dell could ever dream of.

If Microsoft was as slow at getting HT support for the P4 as they have been with supporting AMDs 64 bit we might be seeing a HT capable OS any day now. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure an X86-64 bit OS requires much more work than supporting a virtual processor but the fact still remains that Microsoft has more control over the majority of systems than Dell. If Dell did what I said above they would be the ones loosing market share, if Microsoft did what I said above Intel would be loosing market share not Microsoft.

Oh Microsoft is a factor as well. Microsoft and Dell are two factors that are going to keep Intel on top.

They WILL catch AMD on every front, because they have nearly unlmited resources to do so. It will never have mattered that AMD enjoyed a lead in performance or features, as far as total market share goes.

Thats right! People prefer Intel because its not spelled AMD. After all, would you want a chip from some fly by night company called AMD? :laugh:

I know I wouldnt.

 

[DetroitSportsFan]

I've got 2 questions ....

1) When was the last time you saw an AMD commercial on television?

2) When was the last time you saw an Intel commercial?

Intel controls the marketshare because of their huge advertising budget. Its name recognition, not performance that keeps Intel products in the mainstream. Its pretty simple .... Intel bombards the media. AMD doesn't. Saying that INTEL makes the best chips is like saying McDonalds makes the best hamburgers. Brand recognition sells products but doesn't make it the best product for your dollars. As for McDonalds, I'll eat their hamburgers but I'd never call them the greatest.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: zenwhen
There's actually only one important factor when determining the future of the market share battle between the two companies.

Dell.

I think we know who has that factor on their side.

You really think Dell controls the market? and I supose if Dell abandoned Intel completly for VIA processors and chipsets VIA would become the market share leader.

I think Microsoft can influance the market much more than dell could ever dream of.

If Microsoft was as slow at getting HT support for the P4 as they have been with supporting AMDs 64 bit we might be seeing a HT capable OS any day now. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure an X86-64 bit OS requires much more work than supporting a virtual processor but the fact still remains that Microsoft has more control over the majority of systems than Dell. If Dell did what I said above they would be the ones loosing market share, if Microsoft did what I said above Intel would be loosing market share not Microsoft.

Dell owes 95% of its success to Intel. If Dell dropped Intel and went with VIA, your example, nobody would buy them. People look for the household slogan "Intel Inside" or "Pentium" badges. The same thing would happen if they went with AMD over Intel. AMD? What's that? Athlon? Is that some kind of generic computer? Most people do not know how good AMD is or even what they are.

 

[superHARD]

That's funny...now that you mention it I do get ALOt more pop-ups on my AMD computer, I mean my Intel gets ZERO pop-ups and my AMD gets TONS!...mabye swaping out the proc will fix the problem? Ok on a second note...the proc's won't fit in the other socket. Do I remove the pins to make them fit (kinda like a generic shoe sole replacement?) or what?










^^Just so everyone know I am not serious^^

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Dell owes 95% of its success to Intel. If Dell dropped Intel and went with VIA, your example, nobody would buy them. People look for the household slogan "Intel Inside" or "Pentium" badges. The same thing would happen if they went with AMD over Intel. AMD? What's that? Athlon? Is that some kind of generic computer? Most people do not know how good AMD is or even what they are.

Dell owes it success to just making rock solid computers and supporting them well. When they first started up they used AMD processors. Get off the Dell train, because they have very little to do with this thread.