Why is intel faster per core?

[ModestGamer]

kinda like why i could never jump as high as Micheal jordan.

I mean even the nike comericals says its gotta be the shoes..



LuLz.. and here comes a person in a Suzuki Hayabusa going WTF are you doing red neck...
Get a bike noob!

I have several cars in my care that will not only smoke the hyabusa but do it in a embarsing fashion.

 

[ModestGamer]

except there is no way that you can get a Civic to be faster than a Lamborghini within a 1/4 mile for $15,000 or less

unless you are talking about a very old Lamborghini

ehh I wouldn't take that bet.

 

[aigomorla]

I have several cars in my care that will not only smoke the hyabusa but do it in a embarsing fashion.

eh... not if the hyabusa had a turbo on it.

Turbo Busa!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sdz-0NWfoc

oh wait when you say in your care... your not gonna pull a dragster on me are you?

 

[nyker96]

:O so your saying because intel is blue, amd being green, and blue > Green, thats not a serious answer?

:O

Blue is a primary color Dammit!!

you know he is absolutely right young man, be serious for a change. this is a Serious Forum(R) after all ... and your comments are not appreciated in this distinguished forum!

now the serious answer ... ooo oo, I know, there's an extra energizer bunny inside every Intel chip ... verified and certified(R)!

 

[TuxDave]

Before I start; however, the die size as *NOTHING* to do with the speed of the chip.

"Nothing" is quite a strong word. Sometimes die growth is necessary to add IPC features.

 

[aigomorla]

Ok.. another serious answer.

Intel is not always faster clock per clock.

There are a few apps which AMD's would actually be faster then intel clock per clock.

And no u intel fanboys can not start a flame war on this statement in this thread.

:T

 

[khon]

I bet AMD wishes they knew the answer to this question.

 

[OCGuy]

Ok.. another serious answer.

Intel is not always faster clock per clock.

There are a few apps which AMD's would actually be faster then intel clock per clock.

And no u intel fanboys can not start a flame war on this statement in this thread.

:T

Well I would test your theory, but I dont think I can find an AMD cpu to go clock-for-clock with my OC

Edit: On air

 

[alkemyst]

ehh I wouldn't take that bet.

QFT, but when you say cars in your "care" that would smoke a Hayabusa...are you a valet?

 

[Gamingphreek]

I bet AMD wishes they knew the answer to this question.

They do - there are multiple ways of achieving a high number of operations. AMD happened to choose one while Intel happened to choose another. Intel is larger and has access to technology that AMD cannot necessarily afford. Different engineers have different approaches to problems. This is evidenced by the fact that AMD is better at somethings and Intel is better at somethings...

-Kevin

 

[khon]

They do - there are multiple ways of achieving a high number of operations. AMD happened to choose one while Intel happened to choose another. Intel is larger and has access to technology that AMD cannot necessarily afford. Different engineers have different approaches to problems. This is evidenced by the fact that AMD is better at somethings and Intel is better at somethings...

-Kevin

You're kidding yourself on this one.

Are there rare instances where AMD is faster ? Sure, but for the vast majority of applications Intel is faster, and if AMD knew how to change that they certainly would.

 

[Gamingphreek]

You're kidding yourself on this one.

Are there rare instances where AMD is faster ? Sure, but for the vast majority of applications Intel is faster, and if AMD knew how to change that they certainly would.

There is this thing called patents.

Additionally, just because something makes the Intel platform faster, doesn't mean the same is true on the AMD platform. AMD probably knows A LOT about what Intel does; however, they implement and use things differently.

In programming, using a B+ Tree has advantages over using a RB Tree, but the inverse is true as well. Does that mean the same optimizations will yeild the same gains on each implementation - absolutely not.

You have an over-simplified view on microprocessor architecture.

-Kevin

 

[TuxDave]

oh.. woops. It's the end of the day, my coffee powers are failing me.

 

[evolucion8]

Ok.. another serious answer.

Intel is not always faster clock per clock.

There are a few apps which AMD's would actually be faster then intel clock per clock.

And no u intel fanboys can not start a flame war on this statement in this thread.

:T

File compression is one of them, x.264 encoding is a wash between both and cryptography (Except the processors that natively supports it like some i5 series)

 

[Arkaign]

ehh I wouldn't take that bet.

Yeah, even as a solid build :

Quality Warrantied B18C5 with some upgrades ~$4000
Quality Turbo Kit w/Intercooler ~$3000

Spend the rest of the $8k on LSD, custom ECU, strong axles, small NOS shot, manifolds, fuel delivery, wiring, etc. Get 15" fatty sticky tires (low profile is all show / no real go) Gut the car down to no carpet/headliner/backseat/stereo/AC/etc, pretty easy to get a Civic below 2000lbs from the mid 90s. Most of these parts are easy to find used (stolen? Hondas are notorious for attracting thieves).

Bingo : Done correctly, it's an 11 second or better 1/4 capable car (in other words, around LP640 speeds). A NOS shot might break into the 9s, but NOS is stupid IMHO. Of course, it's still a rice box, and would be almost certainly illegal in the condition described above in most states.

 

[Ben90]

Due to physics, a car will have an advantage over a bike if the car is designed with racing only in mind. You see, 600s and liter bikes are basically racing bikes with headlights. These bikes have (slightly less $$ however) the same level of engineering of F1 cars, while Honda Civics and Lamborghini's have many luxuries such as not racing seats, windshield wipers, trunks, ect.

A Honda Civic and $15000 will beat a Gallardo in a strait line very easily. You can get over 700HP on a H22 using a retarded PSI turbo. The car will be horrible for basically everything aside from going fast in a strait line though. Id say you can get a Civic beating a Gallardo on a track for under $15000 if you do the work yourself. My ex-girlfriends sister/husband built a 1000HP ethenol running track beast of a Camero for $15000, but they did the work themselves.

 

[Markfw]

Guys.... Quit with the cars, back on track, or I lock this.

 

[Ben90]

Guys.... Quit with the cars, back on track, or I lock this.

heh.... back on TRACK

 

[busydude]

heh.... back on TRACK

Hmm.. not funny.

On topic, Whats interesting to know is that even the last gen Intel processors are faster than current AMD processors.

Consider this example between a wolfdale and deneb, an E8500 Vs Phenom II x2 555, going by a rough estimate at same clock speeds a wolfdale is 15%, on average, faster than a deneb, not taking into account the gaming performance.

 

[evolucion8]

Hmm.. not funny.

On topic, Whats interesting to know is that even the last gen Intel processors are faster than current AMD processors.

Consider this example between a wolfdale and deneb, an E8500 Vs Phenom II x2 555, going by a rough estimate at same clock speeds a wolfdale is 15%, on average, faster than a deneb, not taking into account the gaming performance.

Intel's previous and current generation were always faster than any previous and current AMD architecture per IPC, so AMD uses higher clocks to counter attack its IPC deficit. Wolfdale was and still a very nice dual core.

 

[edplayer]

Well I would test your theory, but I dont think I can find an AMD cpu to go clock-for-clock with my OC

Edit: On air

Why would it have to be on air? I'm sure the benchmark results wouldn't matter if it were cooled with water.

File compression is one of them, x.264 encoding is a wash between both and cryptography (Except the processors that natively supports it like some i5 series)

Can you link some benchmarks that show it?

ehh I wouldn't take that bet.

Bingo : Done correctly, it's an 11 second or better 1/4 capable car (in other words, around LP640 speeds).

you guys probably read it wrong:

Yup. Give a redneck a Honda Civic and $15,000 and he'll get it to go faster than a Lamborghini and have it doing it in a 1/4 mile to boot.

Faster (not quicker) AND within a quarter mile. Slowest Lamborghini goes about 200mph. Not saying that a Civic couldn't trap 200mph at the end of a quarter mile, but there is no way that it will happen for $15000...

 

[richierich1212]

Oops sorry Mark quoted before I read your warning.

OCGuy, are you talking about your E8600 @ 4.3GHz?

 

[richierich1212]

Why would it have to be on air? I'm sure the benchmark results wouldn't matter if it were cooled with water.

Can you link some benchmarks that show it?

Here's some of my benchmark results back in April:

 

[Elganja]

I have several cars in my care that will not only smoke the hyabusa but do it in a embarsing fashion.

I'm interested what you have in your "care"

I have gone 8.76 @ 164mph on my 2008 Hayabusa and run multiple 8.8 and 8.9x passes to back them up. All my busa had was a full exhaust, gearing and stretched (all 1/4 mile racing)

Unless you have a car make 1000+ HP or something that weighs 2k lbs (i.e. race car), then I doubt you have something faster, let alone "do it in a embarsing fashion" (not saying you don't, plenty of people have insane cars)

Now if you are talking road course... bikes are not the fastest contary to many people's beliefs. Just look at the Nurburgring times

 

[Martimus]

Before I start; however, the die size as *NOTHING* to do with the speed of the chip.

I don't understand why you are saying that the amount of logic in a core has no correlation to the IPC of said core. If that were the case, then why make larger cores at all? It would be much cheaper to make them as small as possible.