Why is healthcare a "right" now?

[Veliko]

I admit he tweaked me, anyone that doesn't understand that corporations/economy, is the heart of America tweaks me, and so I apologize.

-John

Who is this 'John' that you keep quoting? He doesn't sound very bright.

 

[alkemyst]

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This has been well known for about 15 years. The whole crying indian, running out of landfill space thing was just an environmentalist scare tactic.

EDIT: And before the NIMBY argument, I'm a member of a shooting range in Dallas that backs right up to a landfill. It makes a great backstop.

The crying indian was about pollution more than landfills.

The problem with that biased research is logistically and practically it would require centralizing all of our garbage to one location.

Do you have any idea the costs, manpower, and waste that would bring? Also where we put this super wastedump and how are the odors and out gassing handled.


BTW the NIMBY argument is about being in your BACKYARD. Your house backing up to that landfill, not your shooting range.

 

[matt0611]

I believe he mentioned Wall Street, just to keep you on track.

And you are truly naive if you don't think corporations have pushed legislative initiatives which don't benefit the average American.

Hell try 5 minutes of Google and you will read about hundreds of bills passed at the State and Federal level for the sole purpose of benefitting corporations to the detriment of citizens.

Why is this even a discussion point?

Oh no, I do think corporations have pushed initiatives that don't benefit the average american. Its a huge problem.

This only comes about because of the support for big government (especially at the federal level). What do you think will happen when we let them manage so much of our lives and then corporations influence that power to make the changes that benefit them. (see obamacare)

Companies have been seeking thing such as monopoly power from the government for centuries, this is nothing new.

This is just one of the many reasons a bigger and more powerful government sucks, yet people like craig still push it, say its to help the common man, and want it to be increased even further.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Oh no, I do think corporations have pushed initiatives that don't benefit the average american. Its a huge problem.

This only comes about because of the support for big government (especially at the federal level). What do you think will happen when we let them manage so much of our lives and then corporations influence that power to make the changes that benefit them. (see obamacare)

Companies have been seeking thing such as monopoly power from the government for centuries, this is nothing new.

This is just one of the many reasons a bigger and more powerful government sucks, yet people like craig still push it, say its to help the common man, and want it to be increased even further.

QFT

 

[-Slacker-]

Obviously, some sort of health care system for the very poor -those who absolutely can't afford to pay for it- is a necessity in a modern society; It's just another example that what's fair for a nation isn't what's best for that nation, and vice versa.

The us hc bill as I understand it, however, is neither what's fair nor what's best for us citizens. In an economy that is, as of late, defined be large debt and recession, such an expensive and overreaching program would no doubt do more harm than good.

I live in a country where health care is socialized and, let me tell you.



It ain't pretty.

 

[Nebor]

The crying indian was about pollution more than landfills.

The problem with that biased research is logistically and practically it would require centralizing all of our garbage to one location.

Do you have any idea the costs, manpower, and waste that would bring? Also where we put this super wastedump and how are the odors and out gassing handled.


BTW the NIMBY argument is about being in your BACKYARD. Your house backing up to that landfill, not your shooting range.

The research points out that there are plenty of huge, uninhabited, suitable areas for landfills near every major population center in the United States. Garbage simply isn't a problem.

Studies have shown that a "pay for your waste" system wherein citizens are charged a certain amount for every bag of garbage, usually by requiring trash to be in special bags sold only by the city, in order to be hauled away dramatically reduces the amount of garbage generated even if the cost per bag is nearly inconsequential compared to the income of those studied.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I live in a country where health care is socialized and, let me tell you.

It ain't pretty.

What country? What kinds of reforms are people campaigning for? Are they requesting the American system or some other system? Do you think most of your countrymen would welcome the American system or a system of real free market health care, or would they prefer some sort of socialized system?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Oh no, I do think corporations have pushed initiatives that don't benefit the average american. Its a huge problem.

This only comes about because of the support for big government (especially at the federal level). What do you think will happen when we let them manage so much of our lives and then corporations influence that power to make the changes that benefit them. (see obamacare)

Companies have been seeking thing such as monopoly power from the government for centuries, this is nothing new.

This is just one of the many reasons a bigger and more powerful government sucks, yet people like craig still push it, say its to help the common man, and want it to be increased even further.

I don't see the strong causation between the size of the government and corporate political influence. Maybe you can argue it in a few cases, but I wonder how the size of the gvmnt tracks with population growth and complexity of infrastructure.

Obamacare had very little to do with corporations, and very much to do with political battles with Republicans.

Without anti-monopoly laws, enforced by the government, monopolies would be pervasive. That statement makes no sense.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I admit he tweaked me, anyone that doesn't understand that corporations/economy, is the heart of America tweaks me, and so I apologize.

-John

What does that have to do with Corporations having undue political influence?

By the people and for the people and all that right?

 

[matt0611]

I don't see the strong causation between the size of the government and corporate political influence. Maybe you can argue it in a few cases, but I wonder how the size of the gvmnt tracks with population growth and complexity of infrastructure.

Obamacare had very little to do with corporations, and very much to do with political battles with Republicans.

Without anti-monopoly laws, enforced by the government, monopolies would be pervasive. That statement makes no sense.

If you look at history, there were many companies gifted monopoly power the government. Many companies given sweetheart deals / contracts, subsidies, special tax breaks, etc

Monopolies would not be as pervasive as you think. Its hard in a true free market to become a monopoly without special government support.

 

[JSt0rm]

I live in a country where health care is socialized and, let me tell you.


It ain't pretty.

What country? How can you be taken seriously if you wont say the freakin country.