Why is gentrication bad?

[JD50]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
what is that?

Some kind of gum disease. Brush twice daily, floss once daily, and you'll be fine.

 

[ElFenix]

white flight was bad so now reverse white flight is bad. duh.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
white flight was bad so now reverse white flight is bad. duh.

lulz.

 

[krunchykrome]

That's what they're trying to do to Baltimore City. I agree with the logic, I just don't believe in the success of it.

 

[rivan]

Gentrification is a term used by people with an attitude of entitlement.

They love improvements to the neighborhood, until it means a rent increase. Then it's class warfare. If you want to live somewhere indefinitely, buy the place - don't rent. Problem solved.

 

[vi edit]

It just sort of feels like nothing more than a fad appealing to trend setting gay men, artsy sort of people, and trendy 20 somethings with a lot of money to blow on rent.

Basically a pretty narrow demographic group consisting of people that likely don't have a family or kids and aren't going to "grow" the area.

You are still keeping away the families with children because these places have abysmal school districts and a few blocks off the beaten path is not really a place you want to be if you had a choice. So you aren't undermining the community at it's roots by bringing in new kids with a "non-urban" upbringing.

*EDIT*

My view comes from midwestern cities of 150k-500k in population that have faced the "white flight" out of the city cores and are now trying to renew the downtown areas.

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
That's what they're trying to do to Baltimore City. I agree with the logic, I just don't believe in the success of it.

you make it sound like local governments make coordinated efforts to gentrify poor areas. while they (the gov't) might offer some incentives, it's private companies and citizens that drive gentrification. gentrification has been occurring in nearly every city in america for ~10-15 years.

Gen X/Y'ers grew up, made some money, and wanted to escape the suburbs that they grew up in, so they moved to affordable places (read: the semi-poor areas of cities) and brought their standard of living with them.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
That's what they're trying to do to Baltimore City. I agree with the logic, I just don't believe in the success of it.

you make it sound like local governments make coordinated efforts to gentrify poor areas. while they (the gov't) might offer some incentives, it's private companies and citizens that drive gentrification. gentrification has been occurring in nearly every city in america for ~10-15 years.

Gen X/Y'ers grew up, made some money, and wanted to escape the suburbs that they grew up in, so they moved to affordable places (read: the semi-poor areas of cities) and brought their standard of living with them.

and there's nothing wrong with that; the theory behind this is that the educated professionals moving to these areas should influence the culture/standards in the area. The problem is that their standards of living don't hold well in these areas, and the young professionals are the one's left dissapointed.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rivan
If you want to live somewhere indefinitely, buy the place - don't rent. Problem solved.

uh, property taxes

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: vi edit
It just sort of feels like nothing more than a fad appealing to trend setting gay men, artsy sort of people, and trendy 20 somethings with a lot of money to blow on rent.

Basically a pretty narrow demographic group consisting of people that likely don't have a family or kids and aren't going to "grow" the area.

You are still keeping away the families with children because these places have abysmal school districts and a few blocks off the beaten path is not really a place you want to be if you had a choice. So you aren't undermining the community at it's roots by bringing in new kids with a "non-urban" upbringing.

*EDIT*

My view comes from midwestern cities of 150k-500k in population that have faced the "white flight" out of the city cores and are now trying to renew the downtown areas.

On the flip-side, these singles and young couples that move into an area get married/have kids and then demand that the school standards be raised, raising taxes for everyone and further gentrifying the area.

 

[LS21]

mcmansionization and suburbanization. i dont need a KB-house and starbucks in my neighborhood

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: vi edit
It just sort of feels like nothing more than a fad appealing to trend setting gay men, artsy sort of people, and trendy 20 somethings with a lot of money to blow on rent.

Basically a pretty narrow demographic group consisting of people that likely don't have a family or kids and aren't going to "grow" the area.

You are still keeping away the families with children because these places have abysmal school districts and a few blocks off the beaten path is not really a place you want to be if you had a choice. So you aren't undermining the community at it's roots by bringing in new kids with a "non-urban" upbringing.

*EDIT*

My view comes from midwestern cities of 150k-500k in population that have faced the "white flight" out of the city cores and are now trying to renew the downtown areas.

On the flip-side, these singles and young couples that move into an area get married/have kids and then demand that the school standards be raised, raising taxes for everyone and further gentrifying the area.

Not really. When kids enter the picture they move back out to the 4000 square foot McMansions on the outskirts along with all the other white people and the brand new shiny school districts.

 

[Gooberlx2]

In Denver, the LODO restoration improved the area substantially. They took an area of downtown that was ragged and crime ridden, brought in lots of developers, laid out a plan and implemented it. They brought in businesses, restaurants, urban living, etc... However, the folks living there already were basically pushed out when rents skyrocketed or leases weren't renewed, so they had to go somewhere (Aurora). Still though, Denver actually maintains pretty good diversity. The LODO project didn't homogenize the downtown area by any means, and like another poster said, that mixture of the classes in close proximity is part of what gives the city some vibrance.

Milwaukee is undergoing the same thing in the 3rd Ward. Nice lofts and businesses are coming in, but the area used to be Latino slum (Polish long before that), so where are all those people going, and how is the project affecting the metro area as a whole? (I think it's doing fine).

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: vi edit
It just sort of feels like nothing more than a fad appealing to trend setting gay men, artsy sort of people, and trendy 20 somethings with a lot of money to blow on rent.

Basically a pretty narrow demographic group consisting of people that likely don't have a family or kids and aren't going to "grow" the area.

You are still keeping away the families with children because these places have abysmal school districts and a few blocks off the beaten path is not really a place you want to be if you had a choice. So you aren't undermining the community at it's roots by bringing in new kids with a "non-urban" upbringing.

*EDIT*

My view comes from midwestern cities of 150k-500k in population that have faced the "white flight" out of the city cores and are now trying to renew the downtown areas.

On the flip-side, these singles and young couples that move into an area get married/have kids and then demand that the school standards be raised, raising taxes for everyone and further gentrifying the area.

Not really. When kids enter the picture they move back out to the 4000 square foot McMansions on the outskirts along with all the other white people and the brand new shiny school districts.

Not in all cases. And what you just stated isn't true gentrification.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rivan
If you want to live somewhere indefinitely, buy the place - don't rent. Problem solved.

uh, property taxes

did you really expect him to think it all the way thru

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rivan
If you want to live somewhere indefinitely, buy the place - don't rent. Problem solved.

uh, property taxes

did you really expect him to think it all the way thru

So what's your solution, Mr. I've thought it all the way through?

Leave the neighborhood a dump? Face it - the neighborhoods that generate all the complaining about this are generally NOT well-taken care of. Discourage improvements to the neighborhood? Tell the couple that bought the house next to yours they can't put in granite countertops because you want their assessed value to stay low?

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: James3shin
discuss...I personally think it's a move in the right direction for communities.

gentrication :
old people are useless, and take up resources

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rivan
If you want to live somewhere indefinitely, buy the place - don't rent. Problem solved.

uh, property taxes

did you really expect him to think it all the way thru

So what's your solution, Mr. I've thought it all the way through?

Leave the neighborhood a dump? Face it - the neighborhoods that generate all the complaining about this are generally NOT well-taken care of. Discourage improvements to the neighborhood? Tell the couple that bought the house next to yours they can't put in granite countertops because you want their assessed value to stay low?

Generally the municipality will require the developers to build low rent housing for the people expected to be displaced. The problem is that there's no money to be made in low cost housing, so the developers fight it tooth and nail, which results in only the bare minimum being done to accomodate the poor people.