Why is FOX news conservative?

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Heifetz
Why is FOX news conservative?

Two words -- Rupert Murdoch.

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The film explores Murdoch's burgeoning kingdom and the impact on society when a broad swath of media is controlled by one person.

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What say you?

I don't think FOX is Conservative in tradtional sense at all.. but neocon new-world order types - big difference.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Amused
Fox is no more conservatively biased than the other news channels are liberally biased. In fact, I would say less.

You can't be serious. :roll:

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Amused
Fox is no more conservatively biased than the other news channels are liberally biased. In fact, I would say less.

I can turn on Fox News at any hour of the day and find some pretty bad conservative bias within 15 minutes.

I'm not really sure the same could be said for the other cable news networks.

O'Reilly and Hannity may technically be commentary, but within the framework of the network, they're presented as news reporters.

you are so used to liberal bias in the media (or you're a biased liberal) that when you hear anything right of left (i.e. MIDDLE) you automatically think it's "conservative" when it really may be unbiased.

You could turn that around and use it in an opposite matter its circular logic.

last time i checked, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, CNBC, Healine News, PBS all are pretty much liberally biased (and they admit it)

They do? I have seen murdoch admit fox news is the conservative counter of the "msm" nothing were msnbc comes out a liberal biased.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Healey

Originally posted by: Craig234
This comes up a lot, here's the short version.

The right-wing cabal has made a concerted effort for decades to build a media machine.

Others have linked to the history of Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch.

For a solid analysis of the issue showing that the facts are the media is right-wing, not left-wing, read Eric Alterman's What Liberal Media?

Here's an article by him:

Eric Alterman article on the left-wing media myth

The right does what's called gaming the ref; it can also be called the big lie technique, repeating something until it's believed.

Be constantly saying the media is liberal, people begin to think there must be something to the claim. Then, whenever any comment is not right wing, they say, "oh, see!"

There's a lot of money behind the right-wing media machine from people like Richard Mellon Scaife.

One other great book exposing the facts iss David Brock's "The right-wing media noise machine".

However, I've yet to meet *one* single right winger who had read or would read either of those books. Ignorance is bliss, they say.

Sound like good reads, if I wanted another person's opinion I might check 'em out. In the meantime how about looking at the report links I posted? The report is done by 2 UCLA professors who admit that they're left wing, but worked hard to eliminate any bias from their 10 research project.

As previously mentioned, they study found that 18 of the 20 media they tracked showed a left leaning bias. Some, like CBS news, have a strong bias, while others, like WSJ and NBC news, just a little bit of bias.

But then again I'm sure their self funded, 10 year, peer reviewed, report is just hogwash, unlike Alterman and Brock.

if the WSJ came out with a liberal bias than your study is horsesht.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Faux News is so unbiased that the Dub cherry picked his spokesman from it's ranks:laugh:

Chris Mathews- former Carter speech writer
George Stephanopoulos- Clinton chief of staff
James Carville- Clinton campaign manager

I guess by your view that makes CNN, MSNBC and ABC unbiased?

fox news's ex-head reporter is now the whitehouse spinmaster ffs

 

[miketheidiot]

I'me fairly moderate, but while the msm is usually somewhat factual, fox news is a right-wing hackjob. It makes the wsj (a *very* conservatively run paper) look liberal.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Banned Member with a new ISP

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Faux News is so unbiased that the Dub cherry picked his spokesman from it's ranks:laugh:

Chris Mathews- former Carter speech writer
George Stephanopoulos- Clinton chief of staff
James Carville- Clinton campaign manager

I guess by your view that makes CNN, MSNBC and ABC unbiased?

No it doesn't make them unbiased. Saying those Networks are biased to the left isn't a good argument against the fact that Fox is strongly biased to the right.

BTW, Clinton wasn't a Liberal (at least during the last 6 years of his presidency)which IMO made him so successful as President.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Faux News is so unbiased that the Dub cherry picked his spokesman from it's ranks:laugh:

Chris Mathews- former Carter speech writer
George Stephanopoulos- Clinton chief of staff
James Carville- Clinton campaign manager

I guess by your view that makes CNN, MSNBC and ABC unbiased?

fox news's ex-head reporter is now the whitehouse spinmaster ffs

He was not a reporter, he was an talk show host for Fox News Sunday.

He also had a radio talk show.

 

[kage69]

No need to comment further as Harvey and Donny Baker have pretty much already summed it up nicely. :thumbsup:

Two words -- Rupert Murdoch.

and

Fox News isn't conservatively biased.

It's REPUBLICAN biased. There's NOTHING conservative about the Republican party.

respectively... :beer:s to both!

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Amused
Fox is no more conservatively biased than the other news channels are liberally biased. In fact, I would say less.

I can turn on Fox News at any hour of the day and find some pretty bad conservative bias within 15 minutes.

I'm not really sure the same could be said for the other cable news networks.

Are you kidding? I can do the same with CNN and MSNBC is less time.

The problem here is comparative bias. We have been exposed to a liberal bias monopoly in mainstream news for decades now. This, and only this is why Fox seems so biased to those who are liberally minded.

lol. so true. when viewing the far left even a liberal like Lieberman looks moderate.

 

[Rainsford]

You guys ranting about "liberal" or "conservative" bias still don't get it, not a one of you. Bias is NOT, I repeat, NOT about presenting facts that support one position or the other, "bias" is distorting the presentation to represent a viewpoint that does NOT fit with reality. This is the point that seems to escape this entire debate, but the "conservatives" have been particularly big offenders here. If George W. Bush gives a speech tomorrow telling America that Russia was on the Axis side during WWII and the "MSM" (God do I want to hit the pseudo-populist who came up with THAT term) said that, no, GWB is wrong, Russia was on OUR side...half the conservatives on this board (and in this country) would go on a rampage bitching about the liberal media trying to put down the President. The actual facts of the situation never enter into the equation, which is why in this thread alone several righties have suggested the correct alternative to "liberal bias" is being "centrist" when in fact that is a bias as well...and one that the media ACTUALLY has, they present truly stupid arguments as differences of opinion when there are actual facts involved. Their dismal coverage of the "Swift Boat Vets" incident was a great example of the centrist bias, also referred to as the "balance bias". I also see somebody brought up those two idiots at UCLA who measured media "bias" using the same flawed principle, that taking a "centrist" position is automatically the correct, unbiased position.

The problem with Fox News isn't that they present stories that support the conservative position, if the facts support those stories that is unbiased journalism at its best. But they DON'T do that, they clearly and frequently distort the facts to present an opinion that is biased towards the conservatives. I fail to see that kind of systemic problem with most of the rest of the media. Obviously there are isolated cases, but proof by anecdote is especially weak, as it most often simply proves that there IS no proof beyond a few cases out of hundreds of thousands of stories and comments. When the best proof of "liberal media bias" you guys can drum up is who journalists voted for and a few comments from Dan Rather, I tend to suspect that you're case is rather weak.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You guys ranting about "liberal" or "conservative" bias still don't get it, not a one of you. Bias is NOT, I repeat, NOT about presenting facts that support one position or the other, "bias" is distorting the presentation to represent a viewpoint that does NOT fit with reality. This is the point that seems to escape this entire debate, but the "conservatives" have been particularly big offenders here. If George W. Bush gives a speech tomorrow telling America that Russia was on the Axis side during WWII and the "MSM" (God do I want to hit the pseudo-populist who came up with THAT term) said that, no, GWB is wrong, Russia was on OUR side...half the conservatives on this board (and in this country) would go on a rampage bitching about the liberal media trying to put down the President. The actual facts of the situation never enter into the equation, which is why in this thread alone several righties have suggested the correct alternative to "liberal bias" is being "centrist" when in fact that is a bias as well...and one that the media ACTUALLY has, they present truly stupid arguments as differences of opinion when there are actual facts involved. Their dismal coverage of the "Swift Boat Vets" incident was a great example of the centrist bias, also referred to as the "balance bias". I also see somebody brought up those two idiots at UCLA who measured media "bias" using the same flawed principle, that taking a "centrist" position is automatically the correct, unbiased position.

The problem with Fox News isn't that they present stories that support the conservative position, if the facts support those stories that is unbiased journalism at its best. But they DON'T do that, they clearly and frequently distort the facts to present an opinion that is biased towards the conservatives. I fail to see that kind of systemic problem with most of the rest of the media. Obviously there are isolated cases, but proof by anecdote is especially weak, as it most often simply proves that there IS no proof beyond a few cases out of hundreds of thousands of stories and comments. When the best proof of "liberal media bias" you guys can drum up is who journalists voted for and a few comments from Dan Rather, I tend to suspect that you're case is rather weak.

agreed you do.

 

[Czar]

here is something interesting

http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=18913

 

[Genx87]

I would guess they looked at the market, realized it was filled with liberal bias and saw a niche they could fit in what would set them apart from the rest of the media.

Unsurprisingly it has worked. People who are sick of the liberal bias in the MSM have turned to Fox.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I would guess they looked at the market, realized it was filled with liberal bias and saw a niche they could fit in what would set them apart from the rest of the media.

Unsurprisingly it has worked. People who are sick of the liberal bias in the MSM have turned to Fox.

I'm sick of bias in general, but I definitely don't turn to Fox for my news; that would be a bit silly if I wanted to escape bias, no?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Genx87
I would guess they looked at the market, realized it was filled with liberal bias and saw a niche they could fit in what would set them apart from the rest of the media.

Unsurprisingly it has worked. People who are sick of the liberal bias in the MSM have turned to Fox.

I'm sick of bias in general, but I definitely don't turn to Fox for my news; that would be a bit silly if I wanted to escape bias, no?

Not if you are looking for a conservative bias.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Genx87
I would guess they looked at the market, realized it was filled with liberal bias and saw a niche they could fit in what would set them apart from the rest of the media.

Unsurprisingly it has worked. People who are sick of the liberal bias in the MSM have turned to Fox.

I'm sick of bias in general, but I definitely don't turn to Fox for my news; that would be a bit silly if I wanted to escape bias, no?

Not if you are looking for a conservative bias.

True enough, but then I would hope said person doesn't b!tch and moan about liberal bias, when that person is eating the same sh!t from a different trough.

 

[glugglug]

A few things:

• I wish people would stop using the word "conservative" when they really mean "fascist". Faux News (and the GOP) are about as far from conservative as you can get. THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM LIBERAL

• Faux news is the official GOP publicist. Look, it's even in the official requirements for any hotel Cheney visits that the TV must be tuned to Faux News before he gets there: Link

• Contrary to popular GOP driven myth, the other TV news stations are not liberal slanted. In fact, every single major TV network in the U.S. is majority owned by Republicans and contributes to GOP campaigns. Didn't used to be the case for PBS, but they got bought last year. Most of them just don't make their bias as blatantly obvious as Faux does. The only TV station I can think of that is close to liberal in this country is Comedy Central. I will give you that NPR is liberal slanted though.

• Most of the newspapers are GOP slanted, not liberal either. Some of the newspapers people say are liberal, including the NY Post and Newsweek, are in fact owned by Newscorp, the same company as Faux News. NY Times is GOP slanted as well.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You guys ranting about "liberal" or "conservative" bias still don't get it, not a one of you. Bias is NOT, I repeat, NOT about presenting facts that support one position or the other, "bias" is distorting the presentation to represent a viewpoint that does NOT fit with reality. This is the point that seems to escape this entire debate, but the "conservatives" have been particularly big offenders here. If George W. Bush gives a speech tomorrow telling America that Russia was on the Axis side during WWII and the "MSM" (God do I want to hit the pseudo-populist who came up with THAT term) said that, no, GWB is wrong, Russia was on OUR side...half the conservatives on this board (and in this country) would go on a rampage bitching about the liberal media trying to put down the President. The actual facts of the situation never enter into the equation, which is why in this thread alone several righties have suggested the correct alternative to "liberal bias" is being "centrist" when in fact that is a bias as well...and one that the media ACTUALLY has, they present truly stupid arguments as differences of opinion when there are actual facts involved. Their dismal coverage of the "Swift Boat Vets" incident was a great example of the centrist bias, also referred to as the "balance bias". I also see somebody brought up those two idiots at UCLA who measured media "bias" using the same flawed principle, that taking a "centrist" position is automatically the correct, unbiased position.

The problem with Fox News isn't that they present stories that support the conservative position, if the facts support those stories that is unbiased journalism at its best. But they DON'T do that, they clearly and frequently distort the facts to present an opinion that is biased towards the conservatives. I fail to see that kind of systemic problem with most of the rest of the media. Obviously there are isolated cases, but proof by anecdote is especially weak, as it most often simply proves that there IS no proof beyond a few cases out of hundreds of thousands of stories and comments. When the best proof of "liberal media bias" you guys can drum up is who journalists voted for and a few comments from Dan Rather, I tend to suspect that you're case is rather weak.

agreed you do.

Excellent counter point :laugh: