Why is f*ck obscene and intercourse not obscene?

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Now that the FCC has decided to increase fines for obscenity, or will shortly, I believe every time you say the word f*ck on tv it will cost the broadcaster 500,000 dollars.
Now, you can say intercourse all you want. You can say frak on Battlestar Galactica every other word.
Yet, the word f*ck will cost you half a mil.
You say sh*t on tv, same thing.
You can say feces all you want.
It is just wacky that we have abritarily determined that two words we have for the exact same thing, one is obscene and the other not.
I also want to know why if f*ck is obscene than n*gger is not obscene?
There would seem to be more negative connotations to using n*gger than f*ck, yet the FCC has no rules against n*gger.
 

1EZduzit

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Becuase parents make a concerted effort not to swear in front of their children and if they can hear it on every other TV show it kind of defeats their effort, don't you think??
 

alzan

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Ah, the politics of words. As you cited, f*ck = bad, intercourse = okay; I've always preferred snugglebunnies (of Bloom County fame,) I wonder how the FCC feels about that. I would think that as the political/social climate changes, some words will lose their "bad" status.

As to why there are no rules against n*gger, I'm not sure. There may not be FCC rules against it, but depending on where you work, there are business rules against that and other words. Here in St. Louis, we've seen a white radio personality get fired from his DJ job and put on administrative leave from his teaching job for "mistakenly" using a shortened form of the word "raccoon" when talking about Condoleeza Rice in a statement: He was remarking that the NFL should hire Rice as their commisioner; he meant to say that it would be a big "coup" for them, but used the short form of raccoon instead. He's since been put back into his teaching position, and the local NAACP has been supportive of him, saying that it was just a mistake (which it probably was.) Funny thing is, he never pushed the seven second delay button after he said it, he just kept rambling on.

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Strk

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For starters, intercourse can be used in a non-sexual way (guess what we're doing now?). In addition, one is a swear and one is not.

Personally, I find the fines are well beyond excessive, but I also think we shouldn't be swearing every other word either.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Strk
For starters, intercourse can be used in a non-sexual way (guess what we're doing now?). In addition, one is a swear and one is not.

Personally, I find the fines are well beyond excessive, but I also think we shouldn't be swearing every other word either.

Well, you can fornicate, it's still the same. Swear? What's the difference, it's the same meaning

I think it's obscene to censor words, i think it should be up to common decency to speak them.
 

judasmachine

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I used to flog the dolphin
Used to choke the chicken
Used to spank the monkey
Used to fool with the tool
I used to whip the bishop
Used to wax the weasel
But now I learned one they never taught in school

You can't come in
I hear you knockin' but you can't come in
I hear you knockin' but you can't come in
'Cause I'm firing the Surgeon General
 

Amplifier

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Because it's for the children ok. Now if you'll excuse me my family is going to go watch Optimus Primal blast the head off of Megatron.
 

DaveSimmons

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Why doesn't shampoo contain imitation feces?
Why are shamrocks soft and not good for throwing?
Why doesn't chamois cloth look anything like me?
Why doesn't a woodpecker attack your erection?

Words, they be peculiar!



(Or more seriously, there is a difference between polite and vulgar speech, like duh.)
 

WHAMPOM

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Mainly because it is used as a derogatory swear word. "Intercourse you!", just doesn't carry the same abuse.
 

LumbergTech

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ive ranted about this type of stuff for years..its all cultural...it has to do with reserving certain words for expressing feelings that the culture feels shouldnt be expressed openly..hopefully the next generation can destroy the FCC ..I think parents try too hard to scare children about certain words etc..Its one thing to watch your language around people for the sake of not upsetting them by bringing up uncomfortable ideas that are not helpful in any way...but being fined 500k for using another word for sex (and btw in this context it doesnt even mean sex because hardly anyone actually thinks about sex when they say f u) in the context of just simply venting anger is pretty disturbing if you ask me
 

dullard

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As a general rule, the shortest word is always the "obscene" word. Why? Since it is much, much easier to say and thus much, much more frequently used as an insult / slur / lewd mannor.

[*]Fuc&: 1 syllable - intercourse: 3 syllables, sexual relations: 6 syllables, etc.
[*]Sh!t: 1 syllable - bowel movement: 4 syllables, deficate: 3 syllables, feces: 2 syllables, etc.
[*]N!gger: 2 syllables - African American: 7 syllables

Repeat for all "obscene" or pollitically incorrect words. This pattern is almost universally true.

I quote obscene above since I do not believe a word can be obscene. But that is another topic for another thread.
 

ECUHITMAN

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The problem is parents that have their children being baby sat by the TV. If Mr. Rogers was still around or they were dropping F bombs on Sesame Street I think the FCC should fine them, but if you are watching a show like 24, or CSI and someone uses vulgar language it shouldn't matter because children should not be watching those shows. Or if your child is old enough to see a person graphically killed, then hearing someone say sh*t or f**k should not be that big of a problem.

The problem is there are too many bad parents out there, and apparently they vote or have enough money and/or time to complain to the FCC and because we have Big Brother running this government, they decide what we should or should not see/hear on TV.
 

fitzov

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It doesn't have anything to do with meaning or logic. The question is misguided.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Taggart
Just say 'Fornication Under the Consent of the King!'


From Heres Snijder, Canada: ?I remember someone telling me once, long ago, that actually the F-word is an abbreviation. The last two letters of the word were, I believe, contracted from the words Carnal Knowledge. Could you help me out here, perhaps with some additional etymological data??

[A] ******, the most-used item of vulgar slang in the language and still one capable of shocking even in these linguistically tolerant times, has always fascinated the know-alls of etymology, especially those who see acronyms everywhere.

Jesse Sheidlower, in The F-Word, his magisterial examination of the word?s origins and usage based on the researches of Professor Jonathan Lighter, says that acronymic suggestions for its origin only began to appear in the 1960s, at about the time that the traditional taboos on printing it were beginning to decline. If you hunt about you will find quite a number, all variations on a theme:

* It originated as a medical diagnostic notation relating to soldiers in the British Imperial Army. When a soldier reported sick and was found to have VD, an abbreviation was stamped on his documents, short for Found Under Carnal Knowledge.
* The origin was in the fifteenth century, when a married couple had to have permission from the king to procreate. Hence, Fornication Under Consent of the King (or sometimes Fornication Upon Command of the King).
* During the time of the Puritans, a person imprisoned in the stocks would have his or her crime displayed on the timbers. Because space was tight, when adultery was involved they used an acronym that represented the words For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.

There are others. All are nonsense, of course, as is a story I?ve heard, told to a World Wide Words subscriber during his journalism training by a law lecturer, that ****** was commonly used in Chaucerian times in the sense of ?dibble?. A farmer would use his thumb to dibble the soil, to make a hole into which he then dropped a seed. There is, as you may surmise, not the slightest evidence that the word was ever used in this sense.

It is often classed as one of the archetypal Anglo-Saxon four-letter words, but it isn?t Anglo-Saxon?it?s not recorded until the fifteenth century. The first known appearance is in a Latin poem dated sometime before 1500 that satirises the Carmelite friars of Cambridge. It includes the line Non sunt in coeli, quia gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk. The code can easily be broken to read Non sunt in coeli, quia fvccant vvivys of heli. Being translated, this says ?They are not in heaven because they ****** wives of Ely?. Fuccant (in modern spelling) looks like Latin, but it?s a humorous fake?****** is actually Germanic, related to Middle Dutch fokken, Norwegian fukka and Swedish focka.

The word seems from the start to have been regarded as unacceptable in polite company. It remained almost entirely unprintable other than in privately circulated material until the 1960s, though it has been in sustained and constant use in coarse speech, of course. In 1948, the publishers of Norman Mailer?s The Naked and the Dead forced him to bowdlerise it as fug, leading to the (surely apocryphal) story that Dorothy Parker remarked on meeting him, ?So you?re the young man who can?t spell ******??