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Why is everyone so stuck on response time?

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Johnbear007

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So, in the recent review here. Text

The BenQ with it's low response time is rated much worse than the viewsonic or nutech.

The Viewsonic and Nutech are both rated at a 5 for ghosting

5 means

"5 - Outstanding; we have not seen anything to date that could rival our impression of this monitor's performance."

However both of these panels are rated at 25MS. From the anandtech review, I would draw the conclusion that these would be superb gaming monitors, however everyone keeps saying we must have 16ms or less for no ghosting. There are some contradictions here I would love to clear up. All of the low response time panels use 6-bit panels which I do not want. Why would anyone buy one of the 6 bit 12ms panels when these 25ms panels display no ghosting?
 
Ghosting is subjective. Some people see it worse than others.

Also, yes, the response time isn't always a good thing to go by, as some monitors that have a relatively high response time don't ghost much if at all, while others that are low might display some ghosting.

 
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Ghosting is subjective. Some people see it worse than others.

Also, yes, the response time isn't always a good thing to go by, as some monitors that have a relatively high response time don't ghost much if at all, while others that are low might display some ghosting.
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Considering that most of these monitors are not offered locally, it's a bit of a shot in the dark to order one online.
 
That it certainly is.

It took quite a bit of convincing for me to go ahead and buy a 2001FP. I can't imagine what it took for some people to order monitors that cost $1000+ when few people actually own them and there's not much info that can be gotten on them.
 
response time isn't everything, and is not necessarily a standard measurement, either. Gray-to-gray is better, but still not the same as looking at while playing a game.
 
response times are measured differently by different companies. you really have to go and test something like this out to get a good feel about it.
 
Originally posted by: REMF
i bought the 20ms Dell 1905FP monitor for a gaming rig and have been delighted with it.
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I also bought a 1905 and like it. It DOES have some ghosting however. I'm not much of a gamer so I'm not the best judge on these matters, but I could clearly notice blurred images while play Harry Potter with my son😀 It's not bad enough to stop us from playing, but when comparing back to back with a CRT, the ghosting is noticable.

Regarding response rate question, my understanding is that there is no industry standard on how to rate the screen. Some companies list the fastest time accross the color spectrum others don't. Check around on Xbitlabs for lots of good information on TFT screens including response time graphs. Also check Tom's Hardware Guide for good info regarding response time in monitors.

Good luck.

Ed
 
Originally posted by: mwmorph
response times are measured differently by different companies. you really have to go and test something like this out to get a good feel about it.
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Yes morph, and this also indicates that we cannot trust any numbers coming from any company. If there are no standard points of reference that each company must follow to be compliant, ex. IEEE, then their numbers mean nothing. What kills me is, only 3 companies worldwide manufacture LCD panels for all the dozens and dozens of OEM's. How much different can one LCD "panel" differ from the next? Samsung, Hyundai, and I forget the last.

 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: mwmorph
response times are measured differently by different companies. you really have to go and test something like this out to get a good feel about it.
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What kills me is, only 3 companies worldwide manufacture LCD panels for all the dozens and dozens of OEM's. How much different can one LCD "panel" differ from the next? Samsung, Hyundai, and I forget the last.
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I don't think this is true anymore. There are quite a few more companies making TFT's at this point in time. Many of them are Asian companies with names not familar to most of us. Some info I do know, the Dell 2001 uses a LG panel while the 1905 panel is made by Lite-On. AU Autronics (spelling?) is another big player.

Getting back to this whole response time debate, most of the fast panels out in the market use TN+Film technology. TN+Film screens have limitations on viewing angles and color depth and the industry is moving away from this technology due to these limitations. PVA/MVA technology screens have superior color reproduction and viewing angles but are not as fast. At this time there are not any screens that have it all; fast response time and good color/contrast ratios. The best choices may be "somewhat fast" PVA/MVA screens like the high buck Samsung 193.

Take your pick, you can't have it all.
 
i think its due to the components used in the lcd. my lcd is 25ms and doesnt ghost at all. its made by a company called kogi. very impressed with the lcd.
 
Well, I just picked up a Viewsonic VX910 and tried some fast video and some world of warcraft. Absolutley no ghosting noticeable to me. I am going to check battlefield vietnam as well.

Also 0 dead or stuck pixels. Really gorgeous monitor for 399 AR
 
Monitors are still the one thing to buy in person instead of ordering e-tail if possible...testing them beforehand is best.

That said, I e-tailed my current dell 15" LCD, and I love it. Huge improvement over the CRT I had.
 
Because response time isn't low throughout all the changes of the pixel. Just a small part which it might never use. All the other times, it runs at a much lower response time 20+.

 
From another thread, a good test for ghosting can be found HERE.

For more info check the origional thread Thread.

When testing my Dell 1905, the satellites blur. Interesting stuff.
 
Originally posted by: Nessism
From another thread, a good test for ghosting can be found HERE.

For more info check the origional thread Thread.

When testing my Dell 1905, the satellites blur. Interesting stuff.
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cool test. no blurring at all on my viewsonic vx910
 
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