Why is Bush such a flip flopper?

[drewshin]

I've decided to create a new topic wth just Bush flip flops and nuanced non-answers, since they seem to be so extensive...

BUSH FLIP FLOPS:

:1:
STEM CELL RESEARCH
President Bush can't seem to figure out if he is fororagainst the sanctity of life. He opposed stem cell research, saying that it is an abomination...but existing stem cell lines could still be used. I guess he thinks that existing abominations don't have any life in his view, but new ones that could be made do.

:2:
During the 2000 campaign, Bush appeared on ABC?s This Week. As reported by Rich Lowry of the National Review, George Will asked Bush a direct question:

WILL: In which case, would you veto the McCain-Feingold bill, or the Shays-Meehan bill?

BUSH: That's an interesting question. I ? I ? yes I would?

FLIP FLOP: Once in office, Bush flipped flopped and signed the McCain-Feingold bill into law


:3:
ABORTION FLIP FLOP
When you [BUSH] ran unsuccessfully for Congress in 1978 in Texas, you gave an interview to the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal newspaper. You were asked about your position on abortion, and this is how that newspaper reported your answer: "Bush said he opposes the pro-life amendment [which would outlaw abortion] and favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." Sixteen years later, when you ran for governor in Texas in 1994, you campaigned as an antiabortion conservative. Few people seem to realize your position on abortion changed 180 degrees. Please tell us, when did you change your view on abortion and why?

:4:
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FLIP FLOP
When the University of Michigan affirmative action cases were before the Supreme Court, the Bush administration filed a brief opposing the programs. Mr. Bush said that the ?method used by the University of Michigan ?is fundamentally flawed."

After the Supreme Court upheld the law school admissions program and reaffirmed that race can be one criterion in such decisions, CNN reported that Mr. Bush said he was ?happy the nation's highest court recognized the value of diversity.?<--NOW HE LIKES THAT THEY FAVORED THE RACE CRITERIA?

:5:
During the 2000 campaign, Then Governor Bush appeared on Larry King Live. King asked Bush, "If a state were voting on gay marriage, you would suggest to that state not to approve it?"

Bush took the states right approach, responding ?the state can do what they want to do.? Now, of course, Bush wants a constitutional amendment to make sure that states can not do anything they want.

 

[ElFenix]

got a link for the affirmative action one?

 

[drewshin]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/23/affirmative.reax/

Geez, it might be easier for me to make a list of things that Bush hasn't flip flopped or give non-answers to.

 

[drewshin]

Here's a great non-answer from Bush I put in another post. I'm just trying to show that Bush is an equal or even better flip flopper than Kerry, and gives the same types of non-answers, ambiguous statements. These are politicians, the Bush campaign has made this seem like a major character issue, when all politicians do this sort of stuff. It seems though that the Limbaugh/Hannity crowd here has taken it like candy from the gods, and thinks it has found something "new".


QUESTION: Mr. President, why are you and the vice president insisting on appearing together before the 9-11 commission?And, Mr. President, who will we be handing the Iraqi government over to on June 30th?

BUSH: We'll find that out soon. That's what Mr. Brahimi is doing. He's figuring out the nature of the entity we'll be handing sovereignty over.

And, secondly, because the 9-11 commission wants to ask us questions, that's why we're meeting. And I look forward to meeting with them and answering their questions. <---LOL CLASSIC BEAT AROUND THE BUSH!!!

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) I was asking why you're appearing together, rather than separately, which was their request.

BUSH: Because it's a good chance for both of us to answer questions that the 9-11 commission is looking forward to asking us. And I'm looking forward to answering them. <--ASKED A QUESTION TWICE, SAME BS ANSWER

Let's see. Hold on for a minute. Let's see. Oh, Jim.

 

[kage69]

Anyone who watched him give his solo news conference last week, and still thinks he should be president needs a friggin CAT scan! It boggles the mind how damn stupid he is! HE CAN'T TALK! AT ALL! Dancing around simple, direct questions is one thing, but proving to the public your an utter dumbass just takes the cake. All you evangelical morons make me sick, this is the highest seat of our government, we need someone in it that we can be proud of when talking to foreigners! People don't respect stupidity! :disgust:

 

[drewshin]

Another flip flop:

In 1997, then Texas Governor Bush signed a law saying that hand recounts were preferred to machine recounts. Then you saw how quickly he flip flopped in 2000.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Memo

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Memo

that is a classic.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Memo

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, thats pretty good

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: drewshin
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/23/affirmative.reax/

Geez, it might be easier for me to make a list of things that Bush hasn't flip flopped or give non-answers to.

i searched for both "fundamentally" and "flawed" in that and didn't see them

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Anyone who watched him give his solo news conference last week, and still thinks he should be president needs a friggin CAT scan! It boggles the mind how damn stupid he is! HE CAN'T TALK! AT ALL! Dancing around simple, direct questions is one thing, but proving to the public your an utter dumbass just takes the cake. All you evangelical morons make me sick, this is the highest seat of our government, we need someone in it that we can be proud of when talking to foreigners! People don't respect stupidity!

they are blinded by their partisanship. It's really sad.

 

[Moonbeam]

I can hardly get exercised about this at all. As soon as Bush said he communes with God you knew right away that he is the Devil. That's how the Devil works. He always masks and drapes himself in good. Nobody is going to follow evil. So the stuff you call flip flops and indecision are all just really cunning and lying and conniving for power, The US used to be a great danger to evil because we were just and followed the law. But now he has us where he wants us, governed by fear and willing to attack and kill preemptively. Now we can kill the people of God because they don't like our Devil. And it's much easier on the conscience to let them die than to see that we've been fooled.

 

[Gaard]

Why is Bush such a flip flopper?

I wonder if those who accuse Kerry of flip-flopping have an opinion as to why he does it? And if they would say that reason is also why GW flip-flops?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Why is Bush such a flip flopper?

I wonder if those who accuse Kerry of flip-flopping have an opinion as to why he does it? And if they would say that reason is also why GW flip-flops?

GW doesn't flip flop. He has exactly he same opinions he's had since he was five.

 

[drewshin]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: drewshin
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/23/affirmative.reax/

Geez, it might be easier for me to make a list of things that Bush hasn't flip flopped or give non-answers to.

i searched for both "fundamentally" and "flawed" in that and didn't see them

Hi El Fenix, from the White house itself, sorry the link above was about his response to the decision.

White House

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. The Supreme Court will soon hear arguments in a case about admission policies and student diversity in public universities. I strongly support diversity of all kinds, including racial diversity in higher education. But the method used by the University of Michigan to achieve this important goal is fundamentally flawed.

At their core, the Michigan policies amount to a quota system that unfairly rewards or penalizes perspective students, based solely on their race. So, tomorrow my administration will file a brief with the court arguing that the University of Michigan's admissions policies, which award students a significant number of extra points based solely on their race, and establishes numerical targets for incoming minority students, are unconstitutional.

He's saying that using race as a factor was unconstitutional, but when the Court decided that race could be used in other ways, he didn't come out against it, he just came out with a politically correct line like "I like how the Court celebrates diversity".
Not that I don't agree with him on some of these flip flops, in fact I'm glad he did. But my point is that politicians always flip flop, nuance, and give ambiguous statements. Somehow the Republicans think that this is some special Kerry trait, but no, both candidates are always waffling, even lying to an extent.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: drewshin
Another flip flop:

In 1997, then Texas Governor Bush signed a law saying that hand recounts were preferred to machine recounts. Then you saw how quickly he flip flopped in 2000.

Do you really know that little about what happened in Florida? Bush was not against manual recounts in Florida. He was against recounts that went beyond the Florida laws and recounts that had different criteria from county to county.

This wasn't even a good try.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: drewshin
I've decided to create a new topic wth just Bush flip flops and nuanced non-answers, since they seem to be so extensive...

BUSH FLIP FLOPS:

:1:
STEM CELL RESEARCH
President Bush can't seem to figure out if he is fororagainst the sanctity of life. He opposed stem cell research, saying that it is an abomination...but existing stem cell lines could still be used. I guess he thinks that existing abominations don't have any life in his view, but new ones that could be made do.

:2:
During the 2000 campaign, Bush appeared on ABC?s This Week. As reported by Rich Lowry of the National Review, George Will asked Bush a direct question:

WILL: In which case, would you veto the McCain-Feingold bill, or the Shays-Meehan bill?

BUSH: That's an interesting question. I ? I ? yes I would?

FLIP FLOP: Once in office, Bush flipped flopped and signed the McCain-Feingold bill into law


:3:
ABORTION FLIP FLOP
When you [BUSH] ran unsuccessfully for Congress in 1978 in Texas, you gave an interview to the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal newspaper. You were asked about your position on abortion, and this is how that newspaper reported your answer: "Bush said he opposes the pro-life amendment [which would outlaw abortion] and favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." Sixteen years later, when you ran for governor in Texas in 1994, you campaigned as an antiabortion conservative. Few people seem to realize your position on abortion changed 180 degrees. Please tell us, when did you change your view on abortion and why?

:4:
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FLIP FLOP
When the University of Michigan affirmative action cases were before the Supreme Court, the Bush administration filed a brief opposing the programs. Mr. Bush said that the ?method used by the University of Michigan ?is fundamentally flawed."

After the Supreme Court upheld the law school admissions program and reaffirmed that race can be one criterion in such decisions, CNN reported that Mr. Bush said he was ?happy the nation's highest court recognized the value of diversity.?<--NOW HE LIKES THAT THEY FAVORED THE RACE CRITERIA?

:5:
During the 2000 campaign, Then Governor Bush appeared on Larry King Live. King asked Bush, "If a state were voting on gay marriage, you would suggest to that state not to approve it?"

Bush took the states right approach, responding ?the state can do what they want to do.? Now, of course, Bush wants a constitutional amendment to make sure that states can not do anything they want.

Heres a few you forgot:

Bush's broken promise to retire $2 trillion of the national debt instead of posting record defiets.

Bush?s broken promise not to spend the Social Security surplus.

Bush?s violation of his alleged free trade principles by imposing tariffs on imported steel and then his lifting of those same tariffs.

Bush?s opposition to and then support of a cabinet level Homeland Security Department.

Bush?s broken promise on control of carbon dioxide emissions.

Bush?s ever changing position of negotiations with North Korea.

Bush?s waffling between a policy of disarmament and a policy of regime change in Iraq.

Bush?s flip flop on apologizing to China when China forced a US spy plane to land without permission

Bush?s flip flop on the abortion issue. Mr. Bush once said that the abortion issue should be left up to the woman and her doctor. Now, of course, Mr. Bush claims to be pro-life.

Bush telling Gorge Will he'd veto the McCain-Feingold bill but then signed into law once in office.

Bush flip flop with same sex marriage, telling Larry King, ?the state can do what they want to do.? Now Bush wants a constitutional amendment to make sure that states can not do anything they want.

And finally Bush Flip flops his position on Former Bathest generals/troops of Saddams regime to be "de-bathified" now only to be reinstated to new US-trained army

All links on this page http://wampum.wabanaki.net/archives/000804.html

 

[drewshin]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: drewshin
Another flip flop:

In 1997, then Texas Governor Bush signed a law saying that hand recounts were preferred to machine recounts. Then you saw how quickly he flip flopped in 2000.

Do you really know that little about what happened in Florida? Bush was not against manual recounts in Florida. He was against recounts that went beyond the Florida laws and recounts that had different criteria from county to county.

This wasn't even a good try.

I think this says it all:

From the Wall Street Journal:

The Bush team's new offensive, like all its strategy, springs from an
early postelection assessment by campaign analysts that Mr. Bush probably
wouldn't win a state-wide recount by hand. So when Mr. Gore, just after
the election, sought hand recounts in four friendly counties, Mr. Bush
didn't counter by seeking recounts in GOP-leaning counties of his
own. And when the vice president dramatically proposed a statewide hand
count on national television last week, Mr. Bush rebuffed him.

That's caused some second-guessing among fretful Republicans not only in
Florida but nationwide. Amid the recounting debate, for example, Tom
Slade, Florida's GOP national committeeman, contacted Al Cardenas, his
successor as state party chairman. Without GOP counties also
participating in the hand counts, Mr. Slade complained, "we're in this
competition, and we don't have any players on the field." Mr. Cardenas
was unmoved, Mr. Slade recalls, replying that the Bush aim was to hold the
line against hand counts, period.

Bush only cares about winning, like all other politicians (including Gore and Kerry).
And please, before you go on, I'm not saying whether Gore would have won or not with hand recounts,
it looks like he would not have. But I'm saying how quickly Bush flip flopped when he saw he could
lose the election.
Please do more research and then we can have a discussion.

 

[etech]

You keep saying that Bush changed his position and you are still wrong. The ballots in Florida were recounted under the laws of the State of Florida. Another recount was not leagal. Pres. Bush was obeying the election laws. Trying to say he is against hand recounts because of that is rather silly.

BTW, I've done my research on that issue, debated it to death and really don't want to spend any more time on it.

 

[alphatarget1]

who gives a crap about florida anyway. they announced that gore won so people didn't even bother to vote for bush. it was a significant amount.

Some compromises are good BUT i think all politicans are scumbags that flip flop... goes for oth kerry, bush, clinton, etc.

 

[gil11542]

At Least he hasnt flip flopped on the suport for the war against terror. Kerry is like a fish in that department. if the US is not kept from harm all those other things dont matter,now do they. LIKE him or NOT, after looking at Kerry you have to VOTE for BUSH.

Dittos

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Search for my 'Are Democrats unoriginal' thread and there, sir, you shall find the answers you seek...

 

[conjur]

You forgot about Bush clamoring for Clinton/Gore to appeal to OPEC to lower crude oil prices back in 2000.

Then, earlier this year, Bush stated, thru his press secretary, that we would not beg OPEC for lower prices.

Now, we have Bush flopping on his flip-flop and now asking OPEC to lower prices.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: drewshin

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: drewshin
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/23/affirmative.reax/

Geez, it might be easier for me to make a list of things that Bush hasn't flip flopped or give non-answers to.

i searched for both "fundamentally" and "flawed" in that and didn't see them

Hi El Fenix, from the White house itself, sorry the link above was about his response to the decision.

White House

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. The Supreme Court will soon hear arguments in a case about admission policies and student diversity in public universities. I strongly support diversity of all kinds, including racial diversity in higher education. But the method used by the University of Michigan to achieve this important goal is fundamentally flawed.

At their core, the Michigan policies amount to a quota system that unfairly rewards or penalizes perspective students, based solely on their race. So, tomorrow my administration will file a brief with the court arguing that the University of Michigan's admissions policies, which award students a significant number of extra points based solely on their race, and establishes numerical targets for incoming minority students, are unconstitutional.

He's saying that using race as a factor was unconstitutional, but when the Court decided that race could be used in other ways, he didn't come out against it, he just came out with a politically correct line like "I like how the Court celebrates diversity".
Not that I don't agree with him on some of these flip flops, in fact I'm glad he did. But my point is that politicians always flip flop, nuance, and give ambiguous statements. Somehow the Republicans think that this is some special Kerry trait, but no, both candidates are always waffling, even lying to an extent.

eh, its not really a flip flop. he said that the method is unconstitutional (which the SC said it was, for undergrad, at least), not that diversity was bad. and it isn't like the president can directly come out and oppose the supreme court, it just doesn't happen (the closest anyone has ever come is when FDR threatened to pack the courts back when social security was declared unconstitutional)

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Bush?s broken promise not to spend the Social Security surplus.

i would like to point out that not spending the social security surplus is bascially impossible. if you just sit it somewhere and don't move the money back into the system somehow you'd have a drain on the economy.