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Why is America such a selfish country?

Kantastic

Kantastic

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Why is America such a selfish country? Why is it that we deliberately fabricated war propaganda for the sole purpose of infiltrating certain middle east territories for their oil?
 
Because we have the power to do so. Every nation at the top of the power pyramid has behaved the same way for all of history.

It's like if you were a multi-billionaire, you're going to use your resources to watch out for your best interests, right?
 
Kantastic said:
Why is America such a selfish country?

Why is America such a selfish country? Why is it that we deliberately fabricated war propaganda for the sole purpose of infiltrating certain middle east territories for their oil?
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If you were a Rich Republican wouldn't you want in on the action?
 
janas19 said:
/lawnchare
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not worth it, its too old to be interesting anymore.

btw OP, US is distributing its wealth all around the world, improving the living conditions and life of billions of people over in China Asia Russia and south American countries.
 
Zzzzzz... another hate America thread. Here's a news flash - Bush hasn't been president for three years. Let the hatred go.
 
Kantastic said:
Why is America such a selfish country? Why is it that we deliberately fabricated war propaganda for the sole purpose of infiltrating certain middle east territories for their oil?
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Not really propaganda as much as it was an example of how republican interrogators suck at interrogation.

The information that Iraq had WMDs came after a person was tortured interrogated with a bit of force. Historically, torture was used to get false confessions, and that's exactly what happened. Guy is being roughed up a little, he wants it to stop, so he'll throw out whatever the interrogator wants to hear. In this case, he said Iraq was working on weapons of mass destruction. That information goes up the chain of command and suddenly honorable people like Colin Powell are putting their reputation on the line to say this information is legit. I feel bad for Powell. He got royally fucked over.


What's weird is that it has been known for a very very long time that torture doesn't work. The captive will throw out random information and you have no way of knowing what's real and what's not real. They'll say whatever they think you want to hear. The most effective interrogation technique is to befriend the person in captivity. Nazi Germany's best interrogator was very friendly. He would take prisoners to his own home to have dinner with his family.

In more recent times, you can get information by giving someone sugar free cookies.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1901491,00.html
Far from confirming al-Qaeda's involvement in 9/11, he (prisoner) insisted the attacks had been orchestrated by Israel's Mossad. While Abu Jandal (prisoner) was venting his spleen, Soufan (interrogator) noticed that he didn't touch any of the cookies that had been served with tea: "He was a diabetic and couldn't eat anything with sugar in it." At their next meeting, the Americans brought him some sugar-free cookies, a gesture that took the edge off Abu Jandal's angry demeanor. "We had showed him respect, and we had done this nice thing for him," Soufan recalls. "So he started talking to us instead of giving us lectures."
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So yeah. Invading countries and that stuff is all caused by putting 5 year old kids in charge of interrogations.
 
We are not exceedingly selfish, we are just consumed by a nationalistic driven sense or moral and cultural superiority to the point that we sincerely believe we are doing the right thing when we preemptively attack countries that have not attacked us, even though thousands of women and children inevitably end up in the crossfire. We play god with the lives of innocents all over the world, and we need to stop and mind our own business.
 
It wasn't for oil but to effect change on a region that needs to change but refuses to do so. In 30 years, we'll see if our very modest effort worked. You'll be around on AT then right (assuming AT is still around)?

Proof that it wasn't for oil? What oil infrastructure that we captured and took over are we controlling right now? You'll be searching for a long time on that one...

Chuck
 
ky54 said:
Zzzzzz... another hate America thread. Here's a news flash - Bush hasn't been president for three years. Let the hatred go.
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Everyone hates the big kid on the block until they need his help. Then they go back to hating him. It's just the way of things. A few days ago I got into an argument with some German dude on youtube who basically stated "fuck America. Europe is the future." I pointed out that "Europe" has been saying that in various forms since 1783.
 
irishScott said:
Everyone hates the big kid on the block until they need his help. Then they go back to hating him. It's just the way of things. A few days ago I got into an argument with some German dude on youtube who basically stated "fuck America. Europe is the future." I pointed out that "Europe" has been saying that in various forms since 1783.
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You should troll him and say europe is a third world country 😎
 
Kantastic said:
Why is America such a selfish country? Why is it that we deliberately fabricated war propaganda for the sole purpose of infiltrating certain middle east territories for their oil?
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I'm surprised to see someone still spouting this nonsense.

With hindsight, and now that we've left Iraq, it's abundantly obvious we took no oil even though we could have had we wanted.

Fern
 
Fern said:
I'm surprised to see someone still spouting this nonsense.

With hindsight, and now that we've left Iraq, it's abundantly obvious we took no oil even though we could have had we wanted.

Fern
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This is such a large part of the BDS platform for so many years, by so many people, that it is accepted truth to them. They cannot exist without "knowing" this, as even seriously contemplating they were wrong, invokes a panic in them with the understanding that they basically acted like F'ing retards during the Bush years.

Since they cannot have that, they will refuse to accept the truth.

Just the way it is.....
 
chucky2 said:
This is such a large part of the BDS platform for so many years, by so many people, that it is accepted truth to them. They cannot exist without "knowing" this, as even seriously contemplating they were wrong, invokes a panic in them with the understanding that they basically acted like F'ing retards during the Bush years.

Since they cannot have that, they will refuse to accept the truth.

Just the way it is.....
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Doesn't help when Bush officials pretty much admit it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAgv6HaOHzM


Fern said:
I'm surprised to see someone still spouting this nonsense.

With hindsight, and now that we've left Iraq, it's abundantly obvious we took no oil even though we could have had we wanted.

Fern
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It's almost like Bush thought he could just waltz into Iraq, setup a stable government, and setup infrastructure/deals to get Iraq's oil, but it didn't go quite like it planned.

It's almost like the public turned against our presence in Iraq

It's almost like there isn't currently a shithead republican as president right now.
 
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Phokus said:
Doesn't help when Bush officials pretty much admit it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAgv6HaOHzM




It's almost like Bush thought he could just waltz into Iraq, setup a stable government, and setup infrastructure/deals to get Iraq's oil, but it didn't go quite like it planned.

It's almost like the public turned against our presence in Iraq

It's almost like there isn't currently a shithead republican as president right now.
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I cannot use the video you linked. I don't have audio on my PC.

What have seen said by Bush admin officials is an admittance that Iraq's oil gave it strategic interest to us. I would think that's obvious. However, that isn't anything like the OP the stated.

Bush had many years to get Iraq to make favorable oil deals with us and, to my knowledge, never made any effort at it. I recall the Iraq govt dealing directly with oil companies some year ago, it's just none of our companies bid successfully.

However, even that whole premise is BS. We all know that oil is a fungible commodity on the world market. In terms of the price of gas it doesn't matter who gets the contract, all that matters is that it gets to market.

The only benefit I see in US corps getting the contracts is some income tax revenue for the US govt. How much revenue that might be depends upon a number of factors, including but not limited to Iraq's corporate tax structure. Since it w/b Iraq source income they have to first right to taxation meaning we have to give a credit for it. There's also the question of royalties. Many other countries charge a large royalty (some up to 90% IIRC). This is one of my grips with the US govt. We charge far too small amount of a royalty IMO. Heck, the Clinton admin managed to give out contracts with zero royalties. (They claimed it was an error.)

Fern
 
America IS a selfish country. The first settlers left Britain because they were being robbed of their freedom and came here to rob indigenous people of their's. Throughout history, mostly the second half of the 21st century, we can see how America takes other nations' resources and justifies it by declaring war on some "threat." http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/29/we-came-we-saw-we-destroyed-we-forgot/

America always considers a country that builds nukes a huge threat and talk about terrorism..but we are the only ones who actually used a nuclear bomb on someone..

We were built on selfishness..look at all the private enterprises we have in this country and how we "expand" to open up locations in other nations to attract their native people. I understand we are in a Global Economy and this action may be necessary, but when these big conglomerates subsidize politicians to pass laws that favor the wealthy, this "Democracy" seems a bit distorted right? Capitalism is greed, as long as people consume more and more we can't do anything about it and living in a first world country we don't know what really goes on all over the world. Fuck the commercials asking you for money to feed the poor in Africa, we pay our tax for better infrastructure(the highways/bridges in this country are in HORRIBLE condition) and we need a fast high rail service that wraps around the country(imagine going from ATL to Charlotte in less than an hr) Europe has this service but not us? It will also help the unemployment rate(although Obama did a great job opening up more than 100k jobs this Jan.) We have so much power and money to do this but instead we use it to build bombs to "spread democracy" in others countries..

I understand not every government is perfect and many will flame me for my opinion.. but
 
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