Why is Ahmadinejad claiming the US used Nuclear weapons in Iraq?

[Lemon law]

Despite the fact that some of the U235 and U234 are removed from the larger mass of U238, depleted Uranium is still 60% as radioactive as pure unrefined Uranium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

 

[nick1985]

Lemon Law.

This

is not even remotely close to this

which is what Iran's president is claiming we used.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/27/sprj.irq.war.int.main/index.html

Not nuclear?

 

[CLite]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/27/sprj.irq.war.int.main/index.html

Not nuclear?

Are you serious? that is a conventional weapon using modified TNT (tritonal)

I believe you might be confused because the Bush administration was pursuing nuclear bunker busting bomb technology. I honestly don't know what stage of development it's in but that sure as hell has not been deployed and would not be deployed for something so trivial. I believe it was being developed as an emergency backup for some of Iran's nuclear facilities.

*edit* well assuming wiki is right the program was ended in 2005.

The weapon was revisited in the post-Cold War during the 2001 U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, and again during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. During the campaign in Tora Bora in particular, the United States believed that "vast underground complexes," deeply buried, were protecting opposing forces. Such complexes were not found. While a nuclear penetrator (the "Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator", or "RNEP") was never built, the DOE was allotted budget to develop it, and tests were conducted by the Air Force Research Laboratory.

The Bush administration removed its request for funding[8] of the weapon in October 2005. Additionally, US Senator Pete Domenici announced funding for the nuclear bunker-buster has been dropped from the Department of Energy's fiscal 2006 budget at the department's request.[9]

 

[nick1985]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/27/sprj.irq.war.int.main/index.html

Not nuclear?

You are wrong Gonad.

You are thinking of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_bunker_buster

The ones used in the article you linked were this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunker-buster

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Geez, I was asking a legitimate question folks. I didn't know if those were nuclear or not. I knew the Bush administration was pushing for nuclear bunker busters but didn't know if they had used them in Iraq.

 

[MotF Bane]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/27/sprj.irq.war.int.main/index.html

Not nuclear?

lolwut

 

[Schadenfroh]

Geez, I was asking a legitimate question folks. I didn't know if those were nuclear or not. I knew the Bush administration was pushing for nuclear bunker busters but didn't know if they had used them in Iraq.

Use of any nuclear weapon, no matter how small, how "safely" it is used or how "isolated" the region would cause the international community to shit a brick and likely threaten sanctions against the country using it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sorry for the confusion Bill. LL is for Lemon law who's agreeing with imadumbfck that we dropped an atomic bomb on Iraq. I paid attention to the war and I missed that.

 

[Lemon law]

I am merely saying that depleted Uranium is very nasty stuff. It may not constitute a nuclear weapon with the resultant blast effect, but the lingering and lasting radiation, when used in large quantities is nothing you or I would wish to be exposed to for years and years and years. Especially in enclosed building where daughter products like far heavier than air radon gas can build up in high concentrations. Yet multi millions of pounds of the stuff was used in Iraq, and its mostly concentrated in populated large cities.

Back in the days when little was known about the long term dangers, many homes near Uranium mining towns had their foundations built out Uranium mine tailing.

 

[irishScott]

I am merely saying that depleted Uranium is very nasty stuff. It may not constitute a nuclear weapon with the resultant blast effect, but the lingering and lasting radiation, when used in large quantities is nothing you or I would wish to be exposed to for years and years and years. Especially in enclosed building where daughter products like far heavier than air radon gas can build up in high concentrations. Yet multi millions of pounds of the stuff was used in Iraq, and its mostly concentrated in populated large cities.

Back in the days when little was known about the long term dangers, many homes near Uranium mining towns had their foundations built out Uranium mine tailing.

No, you were merely saying:

To what extent can we say Anmadinejad is not correct given the the US overuse of depleted Uranium weapons in Iraq, during Gulf war one and two?

Sometimes the truth hurts and can't be denied out of hand. Even when a total wack job nut is accidentally correct, thus making US denial more internally plausible but not logically more internally or externally defensible.

Now let's see what Iran's head kook said:

The United States "is the only country to have used the atomic bomb in military conflict," Ahmadinejad said Saturday, according to Press TV. "They even admit themselves that they resorted to using (similar weapons) during the war they waged on Iraq."

He related an atomic bomb to depleted uranium rounds, which are technically "similar" in the sense that a monster truck is "similar" to a Fisher Price barbie car. You called this "the truth", you called him "correct" and claimed some ominous "US Denial" that I certainly haven't heard.

Conclusion: You were trolling, have no idea what you're talking about, or are just being stupid. Given your track record in this forum (I recall an extensive debate about Iran magically closing the Persian Gulf with shoulder fired missiles) all three is not out of consideration.

 

[Cogman]

depleted uranium effects on children

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2pJeSr1qo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

The half life of this stuff is 4.5 billion years Iraq will be dealing with the effects of this stuff forever because it doesn't go away.

I wouldn't think we actually need to use it to kill some brown people with no armor or tanks to speak of do you?

ahh, another idiot that doesn't understand radioactive halflifes.

Not to mention the fact that not all radiation is the same. The primary decay particles of U-238 are alpha particles, which can't even penetrate the skin.

Here's a tip, Big halflife = low radioactivity. The brighter something burns, the shorter its half-life

 

[WHAMPOM]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/01/iran.ahmadinejad/index.html?hpt=T2



Uh, I'm no nuclear physicist, but I'm fairly sure that if you deploy a nuclear weapon, its going to get noticed.



I also like this tidbit. I know the US doesn't have a guilt free record and we've propped up our share of dictators and oppressive governments, but Iran's Islamic 'republic' isn't exactly the ethical high ground.

Since the current US administration won't do anything more than talk tough, I hope Israel takes Iran's nuclear weapons program a little more seriously.

Bunker Busters and depleted uranium come to mind. Similar weapons??

 

[palehorse]

Bunker Busters and depleted uranium come to mind. Similar weapons??

Once again, we have never utilized nuclear bunker busters in Iraq, only conventional ones.

 

[piasabird]

Well we did use some Tank Shells and Artillery that may have contained some Nuclear Material or were made from Metal that may have been exposed to radiation. This might be stretching the truth a bit.

It is also possible that this is caused by sadam and some of his cronies that sometimes used Biological weapons against the Kurds or anyone that opposed him. The desert can hide possible chemical and biological weapons caches that we do not know about, even if the weapons do not now exist.

It is also possible that the Iraqi Government fired some kind of weapons at pro-American forces. In the desert often most chemical weapons just evaporate quickly. However, it is possible that in small quantities it could have gotten into the water supply or some terrorists are spreading some evil substances into the water supply. We are talking about a region with Oil Refineries. Pollution would be kind of common.

 

[JSt0rm]

ahh, another idiot that doesn't understand radioactive halflifes.

Not to mention the fact that not all radiation is the same. The primary decay particles of U-238 are alpha particles, which can't even penetrate the skin.

Here's a tip, Big halflife = low radioactivity. The brighter something burns, the shorter its half-life

Hey bro,

I appreciate your knowledge on halflife and what not but it seems you are dancing around the issue that this stuff does cause birth defects. Also reading the wiki page on this stuff does not paint as rosy a picture as your 30 words. Now I'm sure wiki is wrong as its not as reputable a source as say "Cogman" but its really all I have to go on unless you care to enlighten us more.

 

[Kappo]

Hey bro,

I appreciate your knowledge on halflife and what not but it seems you are dancing around the issue that this stuff does cause birth defects. Also reading the wiki page on this stuff does not paint as rosy a picture as your 30 words. Now I'm sure wiki is wrong as its not as reputable a source as say "Cogman" but its really all I have to go on unless you care to enlighten us more.

He didnt say the weapons werent dangerous. He said that the benevolent leader you believe in was inaccurate.

And you know, it IS possible to type www.google.com and do your own quick research to find out more.

 

[JSt0rm]

He didnt say the weapons werent dangerous. He said that the benevolent leader you believe in was inaccurate.

And you know, it IS possible to type www.google.com and do your own quick research to find out more.

as I said...I have read the wiki page on DU. The dude isn't my leader I am simply saying we can kill brown people without using these rounds. They dont wear armor and use primitive weapons and explosives. If everyone can agree that DU is dangerous AFTER the fact of it being pumped into brown people then we can probably also agree that politicians grand stand no matter the country and thats what this dude did. Remember yellow cake and all that shit? our politicians grand stand too. That's not my argument.

 

[Jhhnn]

My question is who translated his remarks? We've seen some problems in that area in the past, where the translators pretty much put words in the the Iranian President's mouth... with the original version having more credence in some circles than the corrected one- quite by design, of course...

Traditorre traditore, as they say in Italian...