Why is a vote for Nadar a vote out the window?

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ornery
Well William, 14 years after helping Clinton get in office, by voting for Perot, I'm STILL kicking myself. If you want to feel the same way as me, decades from now, you go right ahead. No really, please do!

What if I would rather not have either man in office?

Doesn't matter. One of them is going to be there. So why not vote for the one you would prefer if you were forced to pick one, which in reality, you are.

 

[DT4K]

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[MAME]

1 vote doesn't make a difference...

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: notfred
I live in California. It doesn't matter at all who I vote for for president. The democratic candidate will will regardless of whether I vote republican, democrat, or independent.

I'll bet anyone $100 that John Kerry wins California in November.

California votes republican, especially for Governor. Once you leave the coast you run into those other californians. But I won't take that bet in November!

 

[FoBoT]

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[EMPshockwave82]

he is gunna be 3rd place so the vote that gets cast on nader is a vote that didnt get to go to the democratic party candidate..


and i'd say this is true about 4/5 of the time but not 100%

 

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ornery
Well William, 14 years after helping Clinton get in office, by voting for Perot, I'm STILL kicking myself. If you want to feel the same way as me, decades from now, you go right ahead. No really, please do!

What if I would rather not have either man in office?

Doesn't matter. One of them is going to be there. So why not vote for the one you would prefer if you were forced to pick one, which in reality, you are.

I don't play the lesser of two evils game.

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Marauder911
It does influence something, it takes votes away from democrats. A vote for Nader is equivalent to a vote for Bush.

<Don's flaimsuit>

Did you know that a good bit of registered republicans voted for Nader too? It is a fact that Nadar didnt cause Gore to lose, it was Gore himself. He was nothing special and thats why he lost.

Don't start this...the last election was a sham - the Supreme Court decided it. I want to move on.

I didn't start anything, nor do I want to. I don't care about the last election, but if Gore had been that much better of a candidate, Florida wouldn't have been an issue. He would have won straight out.

Couldn't you say the same about Bush then? The election was pretty much dead even.

 

Try voting on the issues?

:roll: Yea, because we all know candidates agenda can be summed up that simply.

There is no voting on the issues. This is a dictatorship with two choices instead of one.

 

[Ornery]

You retarded twit! When these issues become bills, they're either passed or vetoed by the president. WTF, how complicated is that?

 

[Wheatmaster]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
i just don't get it. Why doesn't a vote for nadar influence anything?

Are you a Conehead? What's up with the "Nadar?!"

BTW, think back on past 3rd party candidates--what kind of lasting influence have they had? Zilch that I can remember. Ross Perot anyone?

you never heard of theodore roosevelt eh?

 

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[Ornery]

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[mugs]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
i just don't get it. Why doesn't a vote for nadar influence anything?

Are you a Conehead? What's up with the "Nadar?!"

BTW, think back on past 3rd party candidates--what kind of lasting influence have they had? Zilch that I can remember. Ross Perot anyone?

you never heard of theodore roosevelt eh?

Didn't he win as a Republican, then lose with the Bull Moose Party? He did inadvertantly have a lasting effect on the direction the two parties took though.

Edit: Actually, he became president when McKinley was assassinated, then I don't remember if he was re-elected before running again as a third party candidate.

 

[Wheatmaster]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
i just don't get it. Why doesn't a vote for nadar influence anything?

Are you a Conehead? What's up with the "Nadar?!"

BTW, think back on past 3rd party candidates--what kind of lasting influence have they had? Zilch that I can remember. Ross Perot anyone?

you never heard of theodore roosevelt eh?

Didn't he win as a Republican, then lose with the Bull Moose Party? He did inadvertantly have a lasting effect on the direction the two parties took though.

Edit: Actually, he became president when McKinley was assassinated, then I don't remember if he was re-elected before running again as a third party candidate.

no he wasn't but he had a huge influence on the future of the power of the federal government.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
i just don't get it. Why doesn't a vote for nadar influence anything?

Are you a Conehead? What's up with the "Nadar?!"

BTW, think back on past 3rd party candidates--what kind of lasting influence have they had? Zilch that I can remember. Ross Perot anyone?

you never heard of theodore roosevelt eh?

Didn't he win as a Republican, then lose with the Bull Moose Party? He did inadvertantly have a lasting effect on the direction the two parties took though.

Edit: Actually, he became president when McKinley was assassinated, then I don't remember if he was re-elected before running again as a third party candidate.

no he wasn't but he had a huge influence on the future of the power of the federal government.

I thought that was FDR. I guess it could be both.

 

Originally posted by: Ornery
You retarded twit! When these issues become bills, they're either passed or vetoed by the president. WTF, how complicated is that?

Right. Everything is textbook!

Senate and congress > president.

 

[Ornery]

We're only talking about the president in this topic.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
i just don't get it. Why doesn't a vote for nadar influence anything?

I don't get it either. I like Nadar. It tells me where the storms are heading. I hope they don't take it away.

 

Originally posted by: Ornery
We're only talking about the president in this topic.

Gotcha. My post still had to do with the president.

So my results say I should vote green. Though it's been determined a waste of a vote.
I will not vote for the dems or repubs, WHAT DO YOU DO HOTSHOT!

 

[Ornery]

I'm a Libertarian, but I vote GOP, because they're so friggen close on the major issues.

 

Originally posted by: Ornery
I'm a Libertarian, but I vote GOP, because they're so friggen close on the major issues.

I could be summed up as a Libertarian. Though I will not vote GOP. They are a joke, a mere shadow of what they used to represent.

 

[glenn1]

Why is a vote for Nadar a vote out the window?

It's actually worse than a vote out the window if your goal is to defeat Bush. If it looked like a significant percentage of voters were leaning towards Nader, it would force Kerry to the left to shore up his base support. And no matter what you wish the world was like, a left-leaning candidate is poison at the ballot box. The last two candidates to run uabashedly from the left rather than staking ground as moderates got plastered, namely Mondale and McGovern. Someone on Bill Clinton's wavelength is about as far to the left as you can go in this country without being demolished at the ballot box. So unless your goal is to completely discredit your political philosophy and hand the right a mandate to last a generation, voting Nader is a loser proposition.

 

[Ornery]

I vote on the issues. Doesn't matter to me who personally ends up passing or vetoing the legislation, so long as the issues I support prevail.

 

[Cashmoney995]

The whole point, is to vote for the canidate who you think would best represent your ideals and hope for them to get into office. The truth is that Nader will NEVER get into office. So he can not represent anything. Go for the best party man that will help the world.