Why is 3dfx so tight lipped?

chuckieland · Dec 13, 2000

hardware
how long did it take you to be the golden member?
did you went from junior member to golden member quick by post topic that is anti-3dfx?

pdo · Dec 13, 2000

this guy is starting to annoyed me as much as GUTB did.

Mr.IncrediblyBored · Dec 13, 2000

ElFenix · Dec 13, 2000

good usage of the search function there.

Pete · Dec 14, 2000

Can everyone please stop responding to his posts? Please.

hans007 · Dec 14, 2000

the v4 4500 isn't a non seller anyways, it still sells, it can still play every game out there, and its cheap. People DO buy it, just not a frame rate addicted illogical crackhead who likes to buy expensive HARDWARE, and and love nvidia HARDWARE and randomly post about companies like 3dfx's HARDWARE failures. Frankly i think the person who randomly neffs about the demise of HARDWARE companies is stupid and should be banned for lowering the HARDWARE knowledge of anandtech

Ben88 · Dec 14, 2000

Hans I know you were just bashing hardware, but I think you should retract your statement about nvidia owners being illogical crackheads. That sounds like something hardware would say. I bought my gts for $150. The voodoo4 was going for around $130. For $20 I get a huge performance increase. I have owned three 3dfx products, and I can honestly say that the Voodoo4 is their poorest offering to date. I agree with others who say that the Voodoo2 was 3dfx's best offering.

Hardware · Dec 14, 2000

<< Take the facts >>

3dfx is out of money How do you know? Prove it. And give up the lights argument.
just take the last conference call add this with poor sales of the v5500 and v6000 desaster and high r&d costs

rampge is far away How do you know? 3dfx made a mess announcing the V5 so far before it was ready, they have said they want to repeat that mistake. For all you know we might see a Rampage annoucement this friday and have them on shelves in time for Xmas.

I doubt we can see Rampage at Xmas!
It seems to me Rampage is no match for NV20 (and I dislike the dual chip feature)
Until now 3dfx failed to get a mulitchip agp ready!

gp is far away We all know this....3dfx has told us that Rampage was too far along in development to include GP tech.
3dfx paid a large $$$ (do we know if GP stuff is up to date 2002?)

after the price cuts 3dfx cant survive with the v5500 alone Do you know what margins on a video card are like? Didn't think so...3dfx survived this far off the insanely cheap V3
3dfx lost a lot!! of money with the voodoo3

rumours are floating everywhere 3dfx will go out of business All started by you. And even they all aren't, rumours aren't fact. It's been stated numerous times that well before a company closes their doors there are offical bankruptcy statements.
3dfx depends now on credit lines (this is a do or die situation)

v6000 was a big desaster too In what way? 3dfx realized this product didn't fit the market it was originally intended for and so moved it. For all you know they might have moved it out of the consumer market to make room for Rampage (see point 2).
r&d for the v6000 was high. it never worked with e.g. a amd via board (after some month 3dfx admitted the v6000 was not 100% working)
3dfx lost image,credit and $$$ with the v6000 desaster

conferencecall is without any private investor (=desaster) Not sure which conference call you are refering to...but that could be a problem.
Friday!

use gp tech in software (hsr) dont work out Those are beta drivers...do you know what the word beta means?
Many of us uses nvida "beta" drivers" (I dont see there missing frames)
Yes its a reg hack but i dont see any way to do a software hsr (maybe with a PIV 2G but at this time we have hardware HSR out)

right now demanding games are comming out (too much for a v5500) Show me one. Yes the Ultra is faster, but show me one game that you can't play at a reasonable speed with a 5500.
Take a look at 3dfxgamers.com

v4500 is now a virtual noseller
True enough...the 4500 is a useless card.
3dfx blowed it with the v4500

on the other side ATi and Nvidia (after a delay) are right on track
we can expect nv20,radeonii soon
How do you know? ATi and nVidia have been at least as tight assed about those cards as you are about 3dfx in general.
because Ati and Nvidia can execute unlike 3dfx !!!

Wow...2 almost half decent points in 11. Good record hardware.

And for the love of god learn to spell Disaster.
sorry!

Wingznut · Dec 14, 2000

You should be a politician. You successfully avoided answering even a single question.

We'll just go with one for example. Name one game that the V5-5500 cannot run at a reasonable speed. And "take a look at" another forum isn't an answer.

ndee · Dec 14, 2000

My last respond to our loved Hardware: Please, also learn to quote.

3615buck · Dec 14, 2000

>> we might see a Rampage annoucement this friday and have them on shelves in time for Xmas. <<

AH AH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH... best joke I've heard for several months !

Czar · Dec 14, 2000

Some guy at 3dfx said in an interview that the Rampage wont be out untill next easter while the NV20 should be here within the next weeks.

Its also stupid of 3dfx to have baught Gigapixel a year ago or longer and hen not have a card ready using any of the technology they baught untill 2-3 years later. Thats also strange since Gigapixel had GP1 ready and that card performed very well compared to cards out now. They were working on GP2 and GP3. 3dfx will skip GP1 and GP2 and release GP3.

What is also very funny, before 3dfx bought Gigapixel they had not made a single tochnology advancement since the Voodoo1. Their future lies with Gigapixel but they are pushing the release of that card to far, 3dfx might be dead when Fear(GP3) comes out.

Anyways, where is Dave? I thought it was his job to stay in these forums?

Hardware · Dec 14, 2000

Wingznut:

<< You should be a politician. You successfully avoided answering even a single question. >>

This time I can just laugh about you!
I suggest you start reading again!

RoboTECH · Dec 14, 2000

Okay everybody, name your favorite flavor of Gatorade

I'm kinda moody. I tend to go in streaks, but lately, Alpine Snow has really been getting the job done. It's quite good after a workout. I like the Fierce Grape too, but that gets a bit "syrupy" for postworkout. The Alpine Snow is a bit smoother, just slightly lemon-y.

I also like the Citrus Cooler flavor. I think it's orange + red punch + a bit of lemon-lime. I don't think it's actually a "real" flavor, more a combination of the others.

Oh yeah, powerade bites. Blah.

Czar · Dec 14, 2000

RoboTECH: What?!?!?????

Hardware · Dec 14, 2000

<< Some guy at 3dfx said in an interview that the Rampage wont be out untill next easter >>

next easter is by 3dfx definition more or less Xmas 2001

Sunner · Dec 14, 2000

Hardware, you are by any definition an idiot!

What I dont understand is why you havent been banned by now, the mods banned GUTB for less than this.

Oyeve · Dec 14, 2000

I personally like the lime gatorade with a little champagne. Gives me a little relaxation after a good workout.

SuperFreaky · Dec 14, 2000

good old fashioned lemon-lime for me....

Czar · Dec 14, 2000

I like the blue one, it has that look that you know its bad for you and then it tastes just like colored water with some stuff in it.

sandorski · Dec 14, 2000

Gatorade? Powerade kicks Gatorades ass!!!

pdo · Dec 14, 2000

Isn't Gatorade or Powerade are just sugared water and nothing more? I could be wrong though.

BDawg · Dec 14, 2000

I wonder if Hardware likes David Hasselhoff?

ElFenix · Dec 14, 2000

theres salt in gatorade too. electolytes. mmm... thats why they flavored it to cover up the salt. now they have salts that don't taste like anything, which is why gatorade has excercise water now. i'm partial to the alpine snow myself as well. and powerade does suck.

hardware - you might want to check your history. 3dfx was making profits after releasing the voodoo3. where do you get your information on 3dfx existing on credit lines only? its not yahoo finance or any other financial site. its pretty obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about based on those two statements alone. also, knowing that the v6k would be a low seller, it doesn't make any sense that they spent a whole ton of money on r&d for it. the SLI issues were worked out with the v2 and the v5. let software design the board, pop the chips in, ready to rock. the only issue was an agp bridge provided by intel that (gasp!) didn't work with anything but intel products. on the hsr side, they are obviously removing surfaces, all they have to do is improve their detection method. at any high-res fillrate/bandwidth limited situation it will improve performance. and just because you don't like multichip solutions doesn't mean they are wrong. i guess we should concentrate on getting all our computing power out of one huge expensive processor instead of a whole bunch of beowulf boxes. and ATi can execute? what are you basing that claim on? ATi has been known for shipping products late for quite a while now. they say they can compete with nvidia's planned obsolesence scheme, but theres no evidence that they can. do you see the radeon 2 on shelves yet? do you see good NT drivers? both these questions have to be answered satisfactorily before anyone can claim that ATi can execute.

Deeko · Dec 14, 2000

<< It seems to me Rampage is no match for NV20 (and I dislike the dual chip feature) >>

Of course it does, because you don't know anything. And they do the dual chip feature thing for a reason ya know....it allows for scalability, so that they don't have to create different chips for a low end and high end, just a different number of chips.

oh, and btw, allsport is much better than either powerade or gatorade.

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