Why I'm More Inclined to Believe Israelis Rather Than Palestinians

[Riprorin]

There is no sin concept in Islam, but the concept of shame, honor vs. dishonor to the community. Sin, according to Islam, does not change man's inner nature, nor does it affect God. God is not Savior in Islam, because man is not a sinner. There is no absolute right or wrong, but situation ethics, and therefore no need of salvation or redemption. The situation determines the action, not a standard of right or wrong. Al-Ghazzali, a Muslim theologian, wrote, "Know that a lie is not wrong itself. If a lie is the only way of obtaining a good result, it is permissible. We must lie when truth leads to unpleasant results."

The major theme of Islam is not love, but Allah's strict judgement, according to the teachings of Muhammed.

 

[Murphyrulez]

That's why I'm not a Muslim.

 

[BlueApple]

What about Judaism though?

 

[wnied]

Rip

Why is it everytime I see a thread you've begun, 95% of the time, it has to do with the Jewish side of the Israeli - Palestinian Conflict?



Out of the mouths of Babes

Good web site for those who love the Jewish people and the nation of Israel

Anyone have any thoughts about this Israeli company (MDTL)?

Untouchables Desert Hinduism

The Condition of the Dalits in India


~wnied~

 

[Riprorin]

Here's what Judaism has to say about lying:

Exodus 23:1
"Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.
(Whole Chapter: Exodus 23 In context: Exodus 23:1-2)


Deuteronomy 19:17-18
17 the two men involved in the dispute must stand in the presence of the Lord before the priests and the judges who are in office at the time. 18 The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against his brother, 19 then do to him as he intended to do to his brother. You must purge the evil from among you.

Proverbs 19:5
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will not go free.
(Whole Chapter: Proverbs 19 In context: Proverbs 19:4-6)

Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will perish.
(Whole Chapter: Proverbs 19 In context: Proverbs 19:8-10)


Proverbs 21:28
A false witness will perish, and whoever listens to him will be destroyed forever. [ 21:28 Or [ / but the words of an obedient man will live on ] ]
(Whole Chapter: Proverbs 21 In context: Proverbs 21:27-29)

 

[novon]

I'm not saying Islam is any better than Judaism or Christianity, but original sin in general is a little too petty for my taste.

 

[Murphyrulez]

Originally posted by: wnied
Rip

Why is it everytime I see a thread you've begun, 95% of the time, it has to do with the Jewish side of the Israeli - Palestinian Conflict?



Out of the mouths of Babes

Good web site for those who love the Jewish people and the nation of Israel

Anyone have any thoughts about this Israeli company (MDTL)?

Untouchables Desert Hinduism

The Condition of the Dalits in India


~wnied~

Maybe he cares about the subject? Why are you bothered by the fact?? Do you feel threatened?

 

[Random Variable]

My distrust of the Arab world stems from the fact that they have been practicing political terrorism for 54 years. It has nothing to do with religion.

 

[drewshin]

riprorin, here's also what judaism has to say about lying:

1) god told the first lie, the devil told the first truth:
In regard to the forbidden fruit God said: "In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen. 2:17) But the serpent said, "Ye shall not surely die." (3:4)

2) If the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet." (Ezek. 14:9)

3) In speaking about the promised land, God says: "Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I aware to make you dwell therein, . . . and ye shall know my breach of promise." (Num. 14:30-34)

4) Jacob lies to his father by pretending to be Esau. "And he came unto his father, and said, My father; and he said, Here am I; who art thou, my son? And Jacob said unto his father, I am Esau, thy first-born. . . . And he discerned him not, so he blessed him. And he said, Art thou my very son, Esau? And he said, I am." (Gen. 27:18-24)

there are many parts of the bible where people are rewarded by god for lying and deceiving others, or told by god to lie so that they could obtain a good result. so your arguments dont hold much water here. the bible and the koran are religious texts, with contradictions everywhere, so let's just take them for what they are and not read too much into them.

 

[etech]

DID THE ISRAELIS DO IT?
By William F. Buckley

...
In the current issue of National Review we hear from David Pryce-Jones, the eloquent and highly informed journalist who in 1973 wrote "The Face of Defeat," a book about the Palestinians.

He took the reader back to the Six Day War of 1967. It was then that a representative of the Council for Anglo-Arab Understanding, a pro-Arab lobby, protested that the Israeli army had massacred 200 Arabs in Gaza. The plaintiff was Mr. Michael Adams.

Pryce-Jones, doing journalistic and historical duty, was alarmed at the charge, Gaza being his beat. "So I investigated. The story had begun with Gazans themselves. For days on end, they escorted me helpfully through the crowded streets of Gaza City from one house to another in search of families with a missing relative. There was always one more address to be visited, and one more rumor to be explored, but we found neither victims nor burial place for the simple reason that none existed. The story was untrue."

Pryce-Jones' inquiry went beyond the streets of Gaza City. He found what he thinks now is a clue to understanding in these times. He found this in an unlikely book, the 19th-century memoirs of Isabel Burton, wife of the famous explorer and linguist Richard Burton. There was this sentence in her text: "Out of the very stones they will fabricate such a tower of falsehoods that you can only stand and gape in wonder and admiration at their fruitful invention."
...

When you cry wolf too many times.....

 

[gopunk]

i have three reasons for siding with the israelis:

1. i really think they are more right than the palestineans
2. they are kind of like white chinese people
3. they don't hate us like other people do

yes, i know, i'm a bad person

 

[Instagib]

Go ahead

 

[alrocky]

Originally posted by: drewshin
1) god told the first lie, the devil told the first truth: In regard to the forbidden fruit God said: "In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen. 2:17) But the serpent said, "Ye shall not surely die."

First lie? First truth? Didn't Adam and Eve die?

 

[SmackdownHotel]

"[The Bible] has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies."

 

[Kilban]

Riprorin, do you know anything about Islam? If you do something wrong, you must repent. Ofcourse there is a concept of sins. To me it doesn't make sense for someone to be allowed to do whatever he wants, and at the end of the day get forgiven because of the "saviour". In Islam you have guidelines. You follow them, and you try your best to be a good person in this world. The more pious you are, the better off you will be in this world, and in the here-after.

 

[Jimbo]

The more pious you are, the better off you will be in this world, and in the here-after.

It sounds like most of the Arab world got the wrong version of the Koran. If what you say is true then why are not Arabs known for their high ethics and honesty?
DOH!

 

[PistachioByAzul]

If what you say is true then why are not Arabs known for their high ethics and honesty?

You say that as though westerners are.

 

[Red Dawn]

You say that as though westerners are.

At least Westeners aren't known as stinkin cowards!

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
If what you say is true then why are not Arabs known for their high ethics and honesty?

You say that as though westerners are.

westerners have a thing against groups that try to push their cause by directly targetting civilians and spreading hate.

 

[Jimbo]

If what you say is true then why are not Arabs known for their high ethics and honesty?

You say that as though westerners are.

OK, I'll come out and say it. We ARE!

 

[Pacfanweb]

<<If what you say is true then why are not Arabs known for their high ethics and honesty?>>

<<You say that as though westerners are.>>

<<OK, I'll come out and say it. We ARE! >>


You're damn right we are, at least compared with the rest of the world.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

westerners have a thing against groups that try to push their cause by directly targetting civilians and spreading hate.

You're right, our government prefers to do that subversively.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
westerners have a thing against groups that try to push their cause by directly targetting civilians and spreading hate.





You're right, our government prefers to do that subversively.

really? explain how we subversively go about maximizing civilian casualities..?

do we also go around trying to justify it? you'll here so many pro palestinians etc people say oh thats bad, but they um had no choice etc. right, shooting up a school bus of children.. no choice

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Well, South American death squads we sponsored come to mind, ever hear of the School of the Americas?

Regarding the middle east, I'm thinking of the Soviet-Afghani war and the Gulf War, in both cases we sponsored uprisings and promised support, then as soon as our ends were met in the region we pulled out, leaving the civilians we rallied up hanging on a limb, only of course to be slaughtered by their oppressive governments.

The Taliban was so bad, yeah, that's why we were giving them millions of dollars in support up until 9/11.

 

[Jimbo]

The Taliban was so bad, yeah, that's why we were giving them millions of dollars in support up until 9/11.

Why don't you say what the support really was. FOOD!
As far as Central America goes, you seem to forget that the death squads were a leftist rebel invention.