Why I won?t vote for John McCain and why I believe you shouldn?t

[SSSnail]

Does this story involve a snake named Nate and a lever of doom?

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
I'm not voting for McCain for any of the reasons Lt. General Gard mentioned. I'm voting for him because of the abortion issue.

sure sign of a pea sized brain.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: Atreus21
I'm not voting for McCain for any of the reasons Lt. General Gard mentioned. I'm voting for him because of the abortion issue.

sure sign of a pea sized brain.

Maybe the size of a bb. Or a zygote, pre-split. :disgust:

 

[Capitalizt]

I was seriously considering Obama after reading this article..been then I saw Hayden Pannetierre endorsing Mccain and changed my mind.

She makes some very convincing arguments

 

[Capitalizt]

Bump for the weekend. Send this article to your republican friends/family folks. People need to know Mccain's real history.

 

[Capitalizt]

pre-election bump

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Atreus21
I'm not voting for McCain for any of the reasons Lt. General Gard mentioned. I'm voting for him because of the abortion issue.

Republican president (Bush) + Republican majority Congress (pre-2006) = No change on abortion law.

Republican president (McCain) + Democrat majority Congress (2008) = Change in abortion law?

McCain supreme court justice = 50/50 shot at changing things.
Obama = 0.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Atreus21
I'm not voting for McCain for any of the reasons Lt. General Gard mentioned. I'm voting for him because of the abortion issue.

Republican president (Bush) + Republican majority Congress (pre-2006) = No change on abortion law.

Republican president (McCain) + Democrat majority Congress (2008) = Change in abortion law?

McCain supreme court justice = 50/50 shot at changing things.
Obama = 0.

Any supreme court justice McCain picks will still have to pass confirmation by the Senate.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Atreus21
I'm not voting for McCain for any of the reasons Lt. General Gard mentioned. I'm voting for him because of the abortion issue.

Republican president (Bush) + Republican majority Congress (pre-2006) = No change on abortion law.

Republican president (McCain) + Democrat majority Congress (2008) = Change in abortion law?

McCain supreme court justice = 50/50 shot at changing things.
Obama = 0.

Any supreme court justice McCain picks will still have to pass confirmation by the Senate.

True, but any nominee McCain picks will be smarter than the Senate Democrats and will have a reasonable shot at outwitting them.

Besides, the Senate can change in 2010. Or, you can just recess appoint someone.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
I'm not voting for McCain for any of the reasons Lt. General Gard mentioned. I'm voting for him because of the abortion issue.

Not that I'm trying to override anyone's opinion or anything... but what makes the issue of abortion more important than anything else that is going on in this fucked up country?

Economy?
War in Iraq/Afghanistan?
Outsourcing of jobs?
National Security?
Healthcare?
Affordable college education?
Tax reform?
Government reform?

Yet people still vote on a single issue that was settled decades ago and has likely little chance of being overturned (imagine the chaos)?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

True, but any nominee McCain picks will be smarter than the Senate Democrats and will have a reasonable shot at outwitting them.

Besides, the Senate can change in 2010. Or, you can just recess appoint someone.

Appointment hearings have nothing to do with outwitting anyone. The hearings don't change anyone's mind, they are political theater. (barring some huge fuckup) Glad to see that doesn't stop you from throwing out childish insults though.

As for the rest of your post, it just shows you don't understand recess appointments. First, in this day and age no president is going to try and recess appoint a supreme court justice. It would destroy any hope he had of working with the Senate, the Senate could easily thwart him by staying in session as they did in the beginning of this year, and finally recess appointments only last a year or so. Who is going to wreck all that just to appoint a USSC justice for a year? Only someone very, very stupid.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111

True, but any nominee McCain picks will be smarter than the Senate Democrats and will have a reasonable shot at outwitting them.

Besides, the Senate can change in 2010. Or, you can just recess appoint someone.

Appointment hearings have nothing to do with outwitting anyone. The hearings don't change anyone's mind, they are political theater. (barring some huge fuckup) Glad to see that doesn't stop you from throwing out childish insults though.

As for the rest of your post, it just shows you don't understand recess appointments. First, in this day and age no president is going to try and recess appoint a supreme court justice. It would destroy any hope he had of working with the Senate, the Senate could easily thwart him by staying in session as they did in the beginning of this year, and finally recess appointments only last a year or so. Who is going to wreck all that just to appoint a USSC justice for a year? Only someone very, very stupid.

That's going to happen anyway. Senate Democrats haven't been interested in working with W since 2004.

Eisenhower made a recess appointment to the Supreme Court. It's certainly happened before.

 

[TheSlamma]

"Senator McCain reportedly has bragged in private conversations that he was the first neocon."

If this is true... holy shit please let tomorrow be BLUE. Let us put an end to the oppression of Science!

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Hugh H

Originally posted by: Atreus21
I'm not voting for McCain for any of the reasons Lt. General Gard mentioned. I'm voting for him because of the abortion issue.

And that's the worst single-issue anyone can use to decide on who to vote for. Abortion will continue the same with either McCain or Obama.

agreed. election tactics to get the uninformed to the polls. horrible reason to vote.

How many Republicans have failed to overturn Roe V Wade? ....all of them. They don't even try.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Descartes
I think this is obvious:

Unfortunately, however, Senator McCain has demonstrated clearly that he is a dedicated ideologue in the foreign/security policy area, unwilling to consider opinions or even credible evidence contrary to his preconceived notions. In addition, his temperament, marked not only by impatience but also by rude and sometimes hostile behavior, would discourage advisers from bringing to his attention views that might not be consistent with his preconceptions. A president with this combination of significant shortcomings would be a dangerous commander-in-chief, posing an unacceptable risk to the security of the nation.

and I've said it in every debate thread where it's painfully obvious just how difficult this man would be to work with. His temperament suggests to me that he'd alienate people, not bring them together. It takes a special leader to encourage those that disagree with you to still work with you, and McCain's constant condescension, berating and erratic behavior simply wouldn't do that.

except, I think, reality proves otherwise.

his consistent problem on the campaign trail has been having too open of an ear and considering too many different sources of advice, not being closed off and stubborn.

plenty of his advisers mentioned what a "fucked-up move" it would be to give the nod to Palin. What is it that could have possibly swayed him to ignore his advisers, in what was such a clearly damaging move for his campaign?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Atreus21
I'm not voting for McCain for any of the reasons Lt. General Gard mentioned. I'm voting for him because of the abortion issue.

Republican president (Bush) + Republican majority Congress (pre-2006) = No change on abortion law.

Republican president (McCain) + Democrat majority Congress (2008) = Change in abortion law?

McCain supreme court justice = 50/50 shot at changing things.
Obama = 0.

Any supreme court justice McCain picks will still have to pass confirmation by the Senate.

True, but any nominee McCain picks will be smarter than the Senate Democrats and will have a reasonable shot at outwitting them.

what kind of dipshit assumption is that? You'd think his choice of running mate would give you some sort of window in his ability to judge character, or make smart choices about picking "smart" appointees.

Not only is it ridiculously asinine to make some sort of assumption towards the intelligence of a person appointed by either of these guys, the only evidence that McCain is going for him is far to the negative on that front....

unbelievable.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Atreus21
I'm not voting for McCain for any of the reasons Lt. General Gard mentioned. I'm voting for him because of the abortion issue.

Republican president (Bush) + Republican majority Congress (pre-2006) = No change on abortion law.

Republican president (McCain) + Democrat majority Congress (2008) = Change in abortion law?

McCain supreme court justice = 50/50 shot at changing things.
Obama = 0.

Any supreme court justice McCain picks will still have to pass confirmation by the Senate.

True, but any nominee McCain picks will be smarter than the Senate Democrats and will have a reasonable shot at outwitting them.

what kind of dipshit assumption is that? You'd think his choice of running mate would give you some sort of window in his ability to judge character, or make smart choices about picking "smart" appointees.

Not only is it ridiculously asinine to make some sort of assumption towards the intelligence of a person appointed by either of these guys, the only evidence that McCain is going for him is far to the negative on that front....

unbelievable.

No assumption necessary. McCain's people on judges are the same as Bush's people; and Roberts/Alito made Biden and company look stupid.

 

[jeffw2767602]

weeeeeee

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Capitalizt
How did this turn into a thread on abortion? lol

At least Obama is taking a sensible approach on the issue...saying we should do everything possible to minimize abortions, to seek alternatives, and to help mothers who decide to have the babies. Mccain's attitude is to protect the fetus but ignore the baby once it's born...Those young moms are on their own. Can't have any "welfare" to help them care for the baby.. That would be socialism after all.:roll:

:thumbsup:
Well spoken