Why I think the iPad is better than Android

[desura]

Why? Has iOS got flash support now?

didn't android drop flash support?

A simple test...take iOS device and quickly scroll from top to bottom. iOS device keeps up.

Try the same on android. Not the same.

 

[WelshBloke]

At the end of the day the Flash experience is less than perfect on Android.

Yet infinitely better than iOSs.

 

[Ravynmagi]

Why? Has iOS got flash support now?

Not sure I'd go so far as to say web surfing is better on the iPad like the message you were replying to mentioned. But something nice about the iPad is because iOS is so dominant in mobile traffic, websites seem better at recognizing an iPad and delivering compatible video format that I can play on the iPad. While on my Android websites try to show the video in Flash instead and so I can't see the video.

Though on the other side of the coin. It's much easier to root and install ad blocking software on my Android devices, than it is to jailbrake and do the same on my iPad (by the time they figure out how to jailbreak my iPad I'll have sold it and upgraded to a newer iPad that can't be won't have a tetherless jailbreak for another year). So I have to live with ads on iOS, where I'm pretty much ad free on Android, and so web surfing is much better for me on Android. YouTube also for that matter.

 

[WelshBloke]

didn't android drop flash support?

A simple test...take iOS device and quickly scroll from top to bottom. iOS device keeps up.

Try the same on android. Not the same.

OK give me a web page to test.

 

[desura]

OK give me a web page to test.

that happens on just about any web page that you run across.

But...nytimes.com. comparing my ipod touch 5g vs my samsung galaxy tab 7.7, the android device is so much more frustrating.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Yet infinitely better than iOSs.

What's your point? The 5 users who actually NEED flash to surf the web aren't crying loud enough for Adobe to continue flash support on Android. The fact is Flash has been dying for a long time now and is certainly dying on Android.

You can talk about how its infinitely better by acting like a smartass, but that's not a dealbreaker for most people buying tablets. I don't get why people on the Android side love talking about a feature that's practically broken at best, and then championing it over iOS. It's like copy and paste. How the hell was it even usable in a Motorola Droid in Gmail when you had to use the slide-out keyboard and press shift while dragging across text in Gmail. It'd take 5-6 tries at minimum to even get the right text. Most of the time you just ended up with extra text or less text than you wanted and had to make the edits. It took til Gingerbread to get a half-decent copy/paste interface that users could actually take advantage of.

OK give me a web page to test.

Tried it many times. iPhone 5 versus Nexus 4 on The Verge. iPhone is damn smooth.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Flash is not a big deal, but OS level adblocking is.

 

[jpiniero]

I really do feel that Apple now needs to put a higher res display, if not Retina on the next iPad Mini. Text is just too fuzzy on it for a device which is now basically at the high end of the tablet market.

 

[dguy6789]

So just a question, since by this thread it's clear it's fair to compare a generation old tablet to one that just came out last week. When the iPad Mini 2 comes out and is better than the Nexus 7. Making a thread to brag will be okay?

Well the first Nexus 7 is better than the iPad mini. What makes you so sure the 2nd gen mini will be better than the new 7?

 

[zerogear]

Rumor is that iPad mini 2 will stick with low res screen. :/ If true, it is unfortunate.

 

[Joe1987]

The impressive thing is that 2 massively massive corporations can incite this kind of discussion and loyalty.

 

[poofyhairguy]

That's Android's biggest downfalls imho, 3rd party support.

Some stuff coming out is OSX, Windows and Android. Like this:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/nuforce-icon-dac-and-headphone-amp-arrives-for-android-mac-and/

As Android grows as a platform we will see more given USB compatibility.

 

[kaerflog]

Well the first Nexus 7 is better than the iPad mini. What makes you so sure the 2nd gen mini will be better than the new 7?

Sorry but you are in a very small minority if you think the original Nexus 7 is better than the Mini.
During 2012, estimated sales for the Nexus 7 were at 4.6 millions for Q3 and Q4 of 2012. Compared that do the Mini sales of 10 millions for just Q4 of 2012.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/19/an...ound-4-6m-compared-to-roughly-10m-ipad-minis/

 

[kaerflog]

Its a bit silly for you guys to be comparing the newest Nexus 7 to the old Mini.
The original Mini was superior in many ways and sales support that even with the Mini costing more.
I bought the Nexus 7 when it first came out.
Once the Mini came out, I stopped messing with my Nexus 7 all together.
Even with the 16gb Mini costing $329 vs the Nexus 7 16gb for $249, I still thought the Mini was the better buy.
It wasn't until Google dropped the Nexus 7 16gb down the $199, that you could argue its value.
What I do hate about Apple is that they like to gouge you when you try to go to 32gb or a Mini with LTE/3G.
I was really looking forward to the new Nexus 7 because I was looking for the decent tablet with LTE/3G but the humongous bezels is a big turnoff for me.

Lets wait till the newest Mini come out before we make judgements.
Now if Apple release the new Mini without the high resolution, it will be game over for them.

 

[openwheel]

Original 7 was and still is better than the Mini. Especially bang for buck. Sorry it is what it is. Not only is the Mini screen resolution so un-useable the color and saturation are not on par with the bigger iPads. The Mini is a lousy buy. The original N7 is seeing new life with 4.3 and much better I/O performance.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Original 7 was and still is better than the Mini. Especially bang for buck. Sorry it is what it is. Not only is the Mini screen resolution so un-useable the color and saturation are not on par with the bigger iPads. The Mini is a lousy buy. The original N7 is seeing new life with 4.3 and much better I/O performance.

The Mini versus OG N7 was debateable. Stop acting like the N7 had some awesome screen. It got a LOWER rating on DisplayMate than the Mini which you spent your time criticizing for poor color and saturation. If anything, that describes the original N7.

Oh and if your flash degraded prior to the 4.3 update, tough luck. And even without the I/O slowdowns, that Tegra 3 isn't all that impressive anyway. You're still not going to get some magical constant 60 fps experience.

Finally are you just looking at pure price point? The OG N7 was a retreat from competing against the iPad. Google knew it, and so did everyone else. It turned out to be a hit especially with the lower price point. However there were a lot of sacrifices:

- Low storage options
- Poorly calibrated screen
- Bad speakers
- Bad NAND
- Lack of a front camera

The Mini wasn't great, and nor was the price point, but if you wanted to a solid tablet with a reputable ecosystem there was no doubt the Mini was the choice. We've gone a year and Google's stepped it up in the tablet ecosystem. Some apps are better written for tablets. We're at the point where Google's built up some steam, and while the iOS ecosystem still has better apps, the gap is closing, and with the new N7's better hardware, yes, you could make the argument that Android is the better choice now. However, I don't see how its such a clear cut decision except for the staunchest of the fanboys. Whatever choice you make, it's probably gonna work out just fine. And seriously, we all know the iPad Mini 2 is coming out, so why not wait til that comes out before you go on a tirade. It's like comparing the iPhone 5 against the Galaxy Nexus or the 4S against the Nexus S. You know that's not really a fair comparison anyway.

 

[lopri]

that happens on just about any web page that you run across.

But...nytimes.com. comparing my ipod touch 5g vs my samsung galaxy tab 7.7, the android device is so much more frustrating.

I tested that out myself a while back: Nexus 4 v. iphone 4S.. FIGHT!

Who's laggy?

Now, I am not saying that Android is more responsive than iOS is. iOS certainly knows how to prioritize touch inputs, and it generally make do with lesser hardware than Android. However, you cannot make something out of nothing and when resources run out, iOS struggles just like any OS. And it shows - iOS lags all the time, and it often quits than lags. (this can help keep the "smoothness" perception, ironically) It's just that its home screen acceleration is faster than Android, giving illusion of smoothness, and some clever animation tricks make you feel the lags are somewhat more tolerable. But lag is clearly there if you get to learn its tricks. So we are largely talking about perception. You test things side-by-side and you will not be able to verify your "feelings" very often. I tested iPad v. Nexus 7 and saw the same. iPad lags rampantly yet when used isolated it somehow feels less irritating. It doesn't mean, however, it gets the job done faster.

It's clearly something Android wants to catch up to and I do give upper hand to iOS for smoothness, if nothing else for its ability to be frugal. But perception of some folks are wildly exaggerated.

 

[Ravynmagi]

I wasn't a big fan of either the Nexus 7 2012 or the iPad Mini...

Nexus 7 had washed out looking colors, terrible speakers, and initially a lot of build quality issues with loose glass on the left side (took ASUS about 2 months to fix that).

iPad Mini has great looking colors, but a disappointing resolution. Great speakers, looks very nice, super thin. But if the resolution didn't disappoint me enough, the $430 price tag for the 32GB model did. I hope Apple stops ripping us off on the storage upgrades or at least kills the 16GB model and starts the 32GB model at $330 (stop laughing, I know it won't happen, just saying.)


Google and ASUS really stepped it up with the 2013 Nexus 7 though. They fixed everything that disappointed me with the previous Nexus 7. If Apple rolls out a new iPad mini without a Retina display, then it'll be easy to say what the better tablet is (though sales figures may not reflect it, people will buy an inferior more expensive iPad mini anyway I'm sure).

 

[Trombe]

I was looking for a demo unit of the new Nexus 7 at Best Buy (no such luck), so I played with the iPads too while I was still there. All of them stopped dead cold rendering zero frames the first time I swiped to the search screen about 1/3 of the way through the animation before the full screen just magically appeared later.

TBH I don't expect any mobile device to come close to "lag free" when you can't even necessarily get that from overclocked Core i7s with SSDs. You either find the best available product for your needs and/or wants at a price you're willing to pay, or you sit out and play the waiting game.

 

[bearxor]

We're getting a little OT now, I think, but one of the things that irritates me about the browsers on Android and Windows Phone is the way they'll 'click' when you accidentally touch a link while trying to scroll the page.

I'm not sure I can explain it properly in text, but they like highlight the link like you've tapped it when all you're doing is just trying to flick the page up and down.

Doesn't sound like a huge deal, I know, but irritates the piss out of me.

 

[MrX8503]

Original 7 was and still is better than the Mini. Especially bang for buck. Sorry it is what it is. Not only is the Mini screen resolution so un-useable the color and saturation are not on par with the bigger iPads. The Mini is a lousy buy. The original N7 is seeing new life with 4.3 and much better I/O performance.

I think the original N7 has a better screen than the Mini due to ppi, but overall I think the Mini is better. Lighter, better build, thinner, and faster in the real world. App support is lacking as well on the Android side.

 

[grkM3]

Since the new nexus 7 is basically a gs4 at the hardware level I highly doubt apple will give the next mini that much power as it will eat into the iPad 5 sales.

The new n7 is by far the best deal you can get and its running pure android!

Can't wait to buy one!

 

[kaerflog]

Original 7 was and still is better than the Mini. Especially bang for buck. Sorry it is what it is. Not only is the Mini screen resolution so un-useable the color and saturation are not on par with the bigger iPads. The Mini is a lousy buy. The original N7 is seeing new life with 4.3 and much better I/O performance.

Sorry but sales figures do not support your theory.
It may be a personal opinion of yours but its not the consensus.
People chose the better tablet with their wallet.

 

[Red Storm]

Sorry but sales figures do not support your theory.
It may be a personal opinion of yours but its not the consensus.
People chose the better tablet with their wallet.

Using sales as the determining factor is an odd tactic. Following that logic, the Harry Potters, Avatar, and Twilight are among the best movies ever made...

I think the first gen N7 and the Mini are close to equal, which one is better depends on what you need out of a tablet.

 

[dguy6789]

Sorry but sales figures do not support your theory.
It may be a personal opinion of yours but its not the consensus.
People chose the better tablet with their wallet.

People don't choose what is better with their wallet what planet are you from lol they choose what marketing convinces them to get. One need only look at how well the iPhone or any other high selling but nowhere near best in class product sells to prove my point.