Why I love Fox news.

[blankslate]

Wait...you are saying that members of Congress are disadvantaged?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Anyone should know that members of congress are not your ordinary everyday people with the way they have inside information that is economically advantageous moron.

The racist Jesse Jackson does not primarily get his news from Fox. We both know this, yet you claim it is true.


I deleted all your stuff where you pretend that blacks cannot be racists and that democrats cannot be racists and that liberals cannot be racists.

We return back to you claiming racists primarily watch Fox, which is obviously not true.

Man up, admit you were wrong.

Black people can be and some are bigoted and prejudiced. Racism is a different matter as it requires a certain backing of ingrained cultural backing as evidenced by studies that have found that someone who kills a white person is more likely to be convicted of capital charges than someone who kills a black person.

Now pull your head out of your ass and admit that there are more more nuanced thorny issues when it comes to racism than your simple simon childish definition.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Racism is a different matter as it requires a certain backing of ingrained cultural backing as evidenced by studies that have found that someone who kills a white person is more likely to be convicted of capital charges than someone who kills a black person.

Now pull your head out of your ass and admit that there are more more nuanced thorny issues when it comes to racism than your simple simon childish definition.

If that's how you want to define Racism then your definition has nuanced its way out of the mainstream meaning.


Adverse impact, which is inerrant any time you have differences in cultural assumptions, is what you are getting at. This is the sort of racism inerrant in any perspective that assumes "common sense" which just means "self-confirmation of my biases".

 

[blankslate]

Sometimes the mainstream definition of something is utter shite. Look at Fox News it has "mainstream" success going by the ratings.

Oh wait...

 

[pcgeek11]

Wow, man the fact that you have willfully ignored most of my reply is pretty amazing.

Let me clarify my opinion then. Racists probably watch Fox as their only televised news source.

Now if you want to slander Jesse Jackson as being racist go right ahead.
Do I believe he is racist? No. Do I believe that he is completely without bias when it comes to race? No. Everyone has bias, but I don't consider him racist.

Now it may be that you can't hold those two thoughts in your head without it hurting but that's not my problem.

No Jesse Jackson and people who he associates with don't watch Fox News as their only source of televised news.

And they are not racist as you're implying.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but Jesse Jackson and his ilk are VERY Racist.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think he would achieve "GOD" status!

So you are all for censorship. As long as they are only censoring what you want them too. Speaks volumes.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Not as big as the fact that about 40% of people on death row are black and a similar perentage of white people are on death row.

While as of 2010 black people as a percentage of the overall population are in the 12-13% range.

Singling out Jesse Jackson and ignoring the economic and judicial biases that are still present in the society is in fact a "little snit" by comparison.

Got a better percentage for you, 99% of the people on death row are poor. Not many millionaires serving time unless they are broke or named Martha.

 

[blankslate]

Sorry to pop your bubble, but Jesse Jackson and his ilk are VERY Racist.

Sorry to pop your bubble they are not.

 

[blankslate]

Got a better percentage for you, 99% of the people on death row are poor. Not many millionaires serving time unless they are broke or named Martha.

Like I said racial and economic inequality is intertwined.... now look at the 99% of the poor on death row why is it that of that 99% nearly an equal percentages of those are black as white (around 40% for whites and blacks) while the population of black people in the U.S. was about 12-13% in 2010?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Sorry to pop your bubble, but Jesse Jackson and his ilk are VERY Racist.

Achieving parity is racist?? Tell me another.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sorry to pop your bubble they are not.

Yes, they are.

 

[pcgeek11]

Achieving parity is racist?? Tell me another.

His actions speak otherwise.

 

[cybrsage]

Anyone should know that members of congress are not your ordinary everyday people with the way they have inside information that is economically advantageous moron.

Yet you responded to my post about the Congressional Black Caucus by saying they are disadvantaged because they are black.

If you do not mean it, don't type it. I will let the personal attack slide this time, but do try to keep it in check. It merely shows you have no real support for your position that blacks cannot be racist.

Black people can be and some are bigoted and prejudiced. Racism is a different matter as it requires a certain backing of ingrained cultural backing as evidenced by studies that have found that someone who kills a white person is more likely to be convicted of capital charges than someone who kills a black person.

Still saying blacks cannot be racist? Wow.

Now pull your head out of your ass and admit that there are more more nuanced thorny issues when it comes to racism than your simple simon childish definition.

:awe: You probably actually believe only whites can be racist. I hope whatever it is you have is not infectious.

 

[trenchfoot]

Without FOX we wouldn't be having all of these friendly heartwarming exchanges of descriptive language and ideas, now would we? For that, FOX has my undying gratitude and admiration.

I mean, FOX is literally a cornucopia of bigoted hate-filled dogma and ultra-conservative "neo-fundamentalist-evangelical ideological activism" that we all can wonder and marvel at and then have thought provoking intelligent discussions about, yes?😀

 

[blankslate]

Still saying blacks cannot be racist? Wow.

When there is a situation where the ingrained attitudes that people grow up with lead to situations which are the reverse of the the following:

http://consumerist.com/2011/12/doj-...r-335-million-over-bad-countrywide-loans.html

^where minorities are pushed toward more risky loans or are charged for more fee simply on the basis of color.

or

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/09/death-penalty

^Or where if the murder victim is white the perpetrator more likely to be given given the death penalty...

Then people who aren't white do not have the subtle advantages that give their bigoted attitudes the power to apply their biases.

So no... while they can be bigoted, prejudicial, and hateful. Racism is beyond their power, it doesn't have the backing of institutions to affect subtle differences in the way people are treated.

Now if Jesse Jackson to use your example suddenly got three wishes and used them to create situations where white people are pushed toward risky loans when they qualify for more stable loans or are charged higher processing fees for those loans. And if he also made it so that people were more likely to be given capital sentences for people who murder minorities than people who murder white people then yeah... he'd be racist on top of being bigoted...(however, you haven't given examples to point to these attitudes on his part🙄)

I will let the personal attack slide this time, but do try to keep it in check.

Then quite pretending that everything is so simple

 

[Ninjahedge]

Sorry to pop your bubble they are not.

Blank, Jessie is a bit of a prick.

He is nowhere near MLK Jr..... 🙁


I think we are starting to drift a bit here......

 

[Ninjahedge]

Like I said racial and economic inequality is intertwined.... now look at the 99% of the poor on death row why is it that of that 99% nearly an equal percentages of those are black as white (around 40% for whites and blacks) while the population of black people in the U.S. was about 12-13% in 2010?

Whether or not they are "intertwined" does not make them inseparable.

Many who have stated these things are not BLAMING poverty for the crime, but rather assigning it some weight.

There IS Racism and Discrimination in society, and until we evolve socially, there always will be o one extent or another. BUT, discounting/ignoring the causal relationship between one characteristic and a statistic by calling it "intertwined" is not a valid simplification.

One can always earn more money, one can not (at least in todays world), change ones race.


So, if you were to address it according to individual qualifiers, yes you would see less men on death row because they are black instead of white. But you would also see a decrease in the crime rates as well (dramatically). There would still be an easily seen unjustified correlation, but you would not be weighting it to make a bigger splash on the news.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Blank, Jessie is a bit of a prick.

He is nowhere near MLK Jr..... 🙁


I think we are starting to drift a bit here......

Yes, please keep on topic:

Hal and Schenider love each other & Dixy loves Fox News.

There would still be an easily seen unjustified correlation

We definitely kill people for being minorities.

 

[blankslate]

Blank, Jessie is a bit of a prick.

He is nowhere near MLK Jr.....

He may be a prick and I agree he's nowhere near Martin Luther King Jr. Few men are though.

However back to Fox News. I like it because if I find out that someone watches it I can lower my expectations of that person so as not to be disappointed by them later.

 

[blankslate]

Whether or not they are "intertwined" does not make them inseparable.

Many who have stated these things are not BLAMING poverty for the crime, but rather assigning it some weight.

There IS Racism and Discrimination in society, and until we evolve socially, there always will be o one extent or another. BUT, discounting/ignoring the causal relationship between one characteristic and a statistic by calling it "intertwined" is not a valid simplification.

One can always earn more money, one can not (at least in todays world), change ones race.


So, if you were to address it according to individual qualifiers, yes you would see less men on death row because they are black instead of white. But you would also see a decrease in the crime rates as well (dramatically). There would still be an easily seen unjustified correlation, but you would not be weighting it to make a bigger splash on the news.

Interesting. Post your evidence that points to this please.

Because there is that matter of more people being more likely to be given capital punishment for murder if the victim is white, not just the percentages of people on death row.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Interesting. Post your evidence that points to this please.

Because there is that matter of more people being more likely to be given capital punishment for murder if the victim is white, not just the percentages of people on death row.

There are subtle psychological biases that creep into the individual's perceptions of identifying aspects of other people because of social experience with people who possess those aspects. Cultural stereotypes and personal experience offer the human no choice but to be bias. Since most people don't want to be racist and don't want to think of themselves as bias they fail to correct for these stereotypes.

This includes the judgment of how violent someone is and how likely someone is to repeat a violent act. Thus an increase in execution rates based on this bias.

Further, by nature of being part of a minority group, the social norms and values that are shared (and 100% relative and morally meaningless) by the majority group may be overlooked or not known about. This increases arrest rates, including wrongful arrests for all crimes, including murder. Thus an increase in execution rates based on this bias.

This is basic human psychology and I can provide literally hundreds of links with empirical evidence in support of the existence of these biases.

 

[blankslate]

Since most people don't want to be racist and don't want to think of themselves as bias they fail to correct for these stereotypes.

This is basic human psychology and I can provide literally hundreds of links with empirical evidence in support of the existence of these biases.

I see your points, but the "oh ho! you said all racists would prefer Fox News over other channels... well does Jesse Jackson watch Fox news too? herp derp" post was pretty moronic, if it was actually funny or referenced something funny like this pic

the thread might not have gotten off track...

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I see your point, but the "oh oh you said all racists would prefer Fox News over other channels well does Jesse Jackson watch Fox news too? herp derp" post was pretty moronic

/agree

But there's more hurp'n and derp'n in P&N than there is bip'n and bop'n in Jello puddin' pops.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Interesting. Post your evidence that points to this please.

I would have to dig a bit, but I have seen this in many studies that have looked at the rates based on one or the other. They seem to all shy away from breaking it down even further (poor black versus successful black, specific crimes, etc).

Because there is that matter of more people being more likely to be given capital punishment for murder if the victim is white, not just the percentages of people on death row.

And this is difficult too, since the actual percentage of death sentences is so low. You cannot establish a statistical trend or predisposition when you are only looking at %0.01 of convicted felons. (I am not discounting it completely, just trying to put it in its proper statistical place).

 

[blankslate]

I can't believe there are any people left in this country who read or listen to any American news outlets. Every one of them have a ideological axe to grind hence making them useless to get any straight news from.

This is true. If I could I'd be watching the BBC News channel over any American news outlet.

 

[cybrsage]

So no... while they can be bigoted, prejudicial, and hateful. Racism is beyond their power,

Wow, now you are saying blacks are too weak and simple minded to be racists! The hole you are digging is getting deeper and deeper...

You shout quit while you are behind.

Then quite pretending that everything is so simple

Racism really is pretty simple, though its causes can be complex. Just because you want to pretend only whites can be racist does not magically mean it is true.