Why I like punk rock.

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BD231

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Originally posted by: WalMart1564
man your never going to be able to defend punk rock on the whole it sucks a$$

its somthing that you get or you dont

its really that simple people that dont like it will never ever ever be convinced that punk is good

whats the point of debating it ?

Simply put all music that someone dose not like sucks dude, that's what sucks about people on this board, if they don't like it, it sucks.

If listening to people slandering others/b*tching about politics floats notfreds boat then that's his deal, I hope I never catch him talking crap about any other form of music though.

It's pretty pointless to try and change someones mind on a form of music with words though, it just doesn't work that way.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Lithium381
as long as they have good music, and good melody and harmony, i'll listen to it


Punk has good melody and harmony? I thought it had to do with people screaming lyrics.
 

johneetrash

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scarlet <-- download calypso
winning jersey (ex scarlet) <-- download april was my favorite month/love is a sweet distraction

not all "punk" bands are about E B C# A chord progressions

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: Lithium381
as long as they have good music, and good melody and harmony, i'll listen to it


Punk has good melody and harmony? I thought it had to do with people screaming lyrics.

you know what happens when you assume right? :p
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Deeko
punk music is the only genre I can't stand. The same generic chords, lyrics are easy to understand because they are bland and stupid(they almost make pop music sound intelligent). And did you ever notice that the lead singer almost ALWAYS sings with the SAME stupid accent? Is that like a rule, you have to sing with that stupid accent to be punk?

That is what older people were saying about rock and roll fifty years ago
 

BD2003

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If it takes you 45 minutes to figure out the face value meaning of that tool song, youre a retard. At least with the tool song, there is more than meets the eye.

Punk rock is alright, but I expect a little more.
 

ElFenix

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wow, those were possibly the dumbest lyrics i've ever read. i think my SAT score dropped 100 points just reading that.
 

agnitrate

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I find it odd that you chose TOOL to list as the alternative to punk rock in your lyrical selection.

I consider TOOL to be at the top of the ladder when it comes to writing great lyrics. I generally think of this because you can interpret the songs as you wish to view them. Schism is pretty easy to understand (the way I interpret it anyways) but you're right, you can't just figure the song out by blindly listening to it. That's why I (and I'm sure I'm not alone) love TOOL. They make you interpret the lyrics in your own way so the song means something different to each individual person.

Some people just aren't into that kind of thing. No big deal. More TOOL for me :D

-silver
 

bigalt

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Punk isn't about the melody or about chords. Or nice voices. Hell most of them couldn't make music nearly as complex as say... the backstreet boys.

But it's the only genre of music that I really believe what they're saying, they have passion.

I think greenday spoiled the stupid accent. They spoiled punk rock as a whole, once people started believing that they were punk.

One thing I heard about on NPR, is a lot of ex-punk fans are becoming opera fans (as they get older). It's the only other performing art which has so much raw emotion.

 
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Lola

Originally posted by: Deeko
listening to stuff: the Vandals, Sublime, NOFX, H2O, Rancid, Pennywise, Antiflag, Sugarcult, Misfitsand so much more....

^pulled that from her AOL profile, a few more bands for the list.

Deeko, what is it that make lyrics good, or at least not bland and stupid?
I dunno, alot of punk music just sounds like stuff disgruntled teenagers wrote in their garages at the age of 13 and then when they got older and hit it big kept the same ones. I mean, music doesn't HAVE to be a lyrical masterpiece or anything, I primarily listen to house music, lyrics aren't exactly the focus there.

Personally,
waht you just said is ringing true now. You turn on any "alternaitive" radio station and that is what you hear: whiney babies crying about how their life sucks, blah, blah, blah.... I remember awesome punk concerts when i was younger. Punk reminds me of hot summer days and make me happy. Punk can be uplifting and fun... and no, i am not a poser:disgust:
 

Why I like the punk rawk:

1) Songs are short and to the point.
2) No wanky 2 minute guitar solos.
3) I can play 90% of the songs I like on the guitar.
 

smp

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Punk rock was a generation's answer to neoliberalism and rampant capitalism. (thatcher and reagan)
You can't be a capitalist and call yourself a punk.
That song you listed, "I don't give a fvck about nicaragua"... that's from their first album, Ben Weasle was all of 16 .. similar to a lot of hardline 'fvck that country' attitudes you see on this board, it's a result of being young, impulsive and lazy.
Here's an example of a more "mature" screeching weasle:

We don't believe in god or jesus christ anymore
We don't need colleges to validate our lives anymore
We don't need twelve steps to show us how weak we've become anymore
We don't need to buy into a system that offers empty promises anymore
We don't need protection against anything anybody might say
We know that government can't improve out lives anyway
We don't need to drug ourselves anymore to keep the boredom away
We don't anything except relying on ourselves for a change
I can see a new tomorrow
Now

.. and a song from one of my favourite bands ....

Why don't we all strap bombs to our chests and ride our bikes to the next G-7 picnic? It seems easier with every clock tick. But whose will would that represent? Mine? Yours? The rank-and-file's? Or better yet: the Government's? But I don't want to catalyze or synthesize the second Final Solution. I don't want to be the Steve Smith of the Revolution. Do you see the analogy? We're the Oilers. The World Bank- the Flames! And just 2 minutes remain in the 7th game of the best of 7 series! Yeah, Jesus saves! Gretzky scores! The workers slave. The rich get more. One wrong move and we risk the cup. So play The Man, not the puck. Why don't we plant a mechanic virus and erase the memory of the machines that maintain this capitalist dynasty? And yes, I recognize the irony that the very system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. But that's exactly why priviledged fvcks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream- until everyone has everything they need.
 

DumbGuy

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I love punk rock
You guys should listen to No Use For a Name, one of the best punk bands out IMO, along with Bad Religion :)
 

smp

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Originally posted by: DumbGuy
I love punk rock
You guys should listen to No Use For a Name, one of the best punk bands out IMO, along with Bad Religion :)

No Use for a Name .. although a decent band, is not punk rock. Bad Religion is more punk than no use, at least their substance is still punk rock.

 

Anubis

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i listen to a lot of punk. NOFX Pennywise Bad Religion Dropkick Murphies....

its really good. all of it. some people enjoy it and some dont

i happen to prefere it over Rap and Pop
 

smp

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Here's another screeching weasel..



oh say can you see the star spangled banner flying can you see everyone holding hands and brightly smiling well i see rioting and i see bodies in the streets in the future of the american dream i can see the american dream



is that so easy to interpret?
 

DumbGuy

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Originally posted by: DumbGuy
I love punk rock
You guys should listen to No Use For a Name, one of the best punk bands out IMO, along with Bad Religion :)

Wtf, No Use For a Name not punk? wtf do they play, alternative?
There's different types of punk: Pop-Punk, Intelli-punk, Hardcore-punk, Emo-Punk, etc etc etc...
Just because their style is not similar to other bands, it does not make them NOT punk.

Anyways, one song I really like from Screeching Weasel is "Cool Kids"
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: DumbGuy
Originally posted by: DumbGuy
I love punk rock
You guys should listen to No Use For a Name, one of the best punk bands out IMO, along with Bad Religion :)

Wtf, No Use For a Name not punk? wtf do they play, alternative?
There's different types of punk: Pop-Punk, Intelli-punk, Hardcore-punk, Emo-Punk, etc etc etc...
Just because their style is not similar to other bands, it does not make them NOT punk.

Anyways, one song I really like from Screeching Weasel is "Cool Kids"

real punk rock is all about the lack of any knowledge in politics and economics ;):)
 

JetBlack69

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Originally posted by: love1u0
o yes..the punk rock days. I liked Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols, Misfits, and so on

I'm surprised that it took this many posts for somebody to mention Dead Kennedys. IMHO, Dead Kennedys are one of the best. punk. bands. ever! :)
 

mpitts

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#1. Screeching Weasel rules.

#2. Punk rock changed my life. It completely altered my outlook on music and just about everything else. It is real. Real people playing music that they wrote with their instruments (that they can play). True emotion and feeling.. Not contrived..

People complain about how boring the songs are, or how the music isn't particularly difficult to play, or how all the songs "sound alike". I would love to see them pick up a guitar and write a song.

Trust me, there are a LOT of talented people who play punk rock (or some modernized version of it). If people would just turn off their radios and listen to what these bands are saying, they would realize that it isn't all Britney Spears and Creed out there.

 

zoiks

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The only stations on the radio I listen to are 104.9 and live 105.3 in the bay area. Alt rock or punk is what I like.
 

tcsenter

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I don't know what you think of this, but it doesn't sound like a 13 year old wrote it to me:
I was thinking more like 12 years old.

Punk is the ultimate "content free" music. Well, right after love songs, that is. Just let yourself be carried away by the emotion behind the sentiment. Everyone has a little pent-up angst, a little pent-up anger or frustration, a secret desire to toss a big "F-CK YOU" or "F-CK OFF" at things that annoy us, and punk taps right into it.

I say "content free" because, when you critically scrutinize the logic and reason of punk lyrics without the music, it becomes apparent they are little more than inane ramblings.

Like a kid who rebels against his parents. 'f-ck authority, screw them, eat sh-t and die, just a bunch of fascists trying to cramp my style', blah blah blah. The subject? Usually something as miniscule as a curfew, not allowing them to jam a bone through their nose, or prohibiting them from shaving their head and getting "F-CK AUTHORITY" tattooed in 3" bold letters across their scalp.

Woah, let's take to the streets, the revolution against oppression of youth is here! From there, the leap to police, the government, and every other 'symbol' of authority is not a leap at all, its becomes a logical 'next'. All mindless inane drivel.

I was one of them, unfortunately, around the ages of 14 ~ 15. But this is not really exclusive to punk music, its common to all types of music because they appeal directly to the right brain, completely bypassing the left brain altogether. Prolific song-writer Robin Frederick, who has used her knowledge of psychology and the evolutionary workings of the brain, to write enormously successful songs and 'ditties' of various sorts for television, movies, and records, explains it very well (I've highlighted a few parts of particular interest):

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Using Love Songs As Affirmations and Visualizations

by Robin Frederick

Half speech, half music - like some mythological beast - songs have a seemingly magical power to revive long-forgotten memories and give voice to our deepest feelings. In fact, songs speak directly to some of the most primitive parts of the brain, evoking deeply-felt emotional responses, triggering involuntary recall of events, and conveying powerful messages while essentially bypassing the rational, analytical areas of the mind. As a result, they can be used as highly-effective affirmations and guided visualizations, ones that avoid the most commonly reported problem associated with these techniques - the disruptive presence of your "Inner Critic".

The Inner Critic is that little voice that believes you do not deserve love, good health, or success. While you are affirming that your life is filled with prosperity, your Inner Critic may be noisily reminding you of all your unpaid bills. The more you try to affirm, the more shrill and insistent your Inner Critic may become. Consequently you end up reinforcing a negative. But this is only the opinion of one part of your brain - your judgemental, analytical, rational left brain. There is a whole area of your brain that doesn't make judgements at all, and it is here that songs are processed and make their deepest impression.

Though the ability to speak and form thoughts into words and sentences rests almost exclusively with the left side of the brain, the understanding of the emotional tone of voice is a function of the right side. Thus both sides of the brain are needed to correctly interpret the content of spoken words, with most of that activity taking place on the left side. But when these same words are sung, the left/right division of labor shifts dramatically. Lyrics are absorbed and processed almost exclusively in the "non-verbal" right hemisphere. In fact, neurologists have reported that when the left hemisphere of the brain is sedated (or damaged), the subject is unable to speak but can still sing words. If the right hemisphere is impaired, the person can speak normally but cannot sing. (Anthony Storr, Music and the Mind) In songs, then, the right hemisphere is handling the verbal information rather than the normally dominant left hemisphere.

Now, there's a funny thing about the right side of your brain - it is not concerned with making judgements or assessing the factual truth of a statement; that's the left brain's job. Thus, words that are sung - words like "Love keeps lifting me higher." - can come pouring in and there's no Inner Critic around to say, "Hey, wait a minute!"

And there's yet another way in which song lyrics can sneak their message past your Inner Critic, one that will come in handy when we discuss visualization techniques. Good lyricists, like good poets, make extensive use of "right-brain language". Forget that sensible, linear, factual left-brain speech. The language of the right brain is a horse of a different color. A riot of imagery, a cascade of connections, sensations, and associations. The right brain speaks in metaphors, juxtapositions, and similes, using a whole range of poetic devices to express the inexpressible and describe the indescribable. Emotions? No problem. Hearts soar. Lips taste like wine. Eyes are mirrors of the soul. Imagine what your left brain thinks of that. Utter nonsense! Not worth even bothering about! But to your illogical, intuitive right brain, it's perfectly clear - this must be love!

For better or worse, popular songs are essentially affirmations. All pop songs are centered around a repeated phrase called the "hook", usually the title of the song. Like an affirmation, the hook is often formulated in the first person and makes a statement that a situation currently exists. For example, an affirmation would be: "My life is filled with abundant love." A hook would be: "I got you, babe." Again, like affirmations, song hooks are repeated several times, often as many as twelve times or more in less than three minutes. And they remain in memory long after the song is over. How often do you find yourself humming a bit of a song or commercial jingle to yourself without even realizing it? In fact, advertisers are well aware of the power of words and music to lodge themselves in your memory, only to re-emerge at a later time.

The fact that song-affirmations can bypass our critical faculty does have a down-side. Unfortunately many mainstream commercial songs promote negative or unrealistically high expectations of love relationships. Though listening to song lyrics certainly can't make someone act in a way that is contrary to their basic beliefs or personality (as was alleged in a court case some years back), it's likely that a steady stream of similar, repeated messages can subtly shape our expectations, reinforcing one model of life, and especially love, at the expense of others. Affirmations, after all, do work. However, there are also many wonderful songs that affirm the supportive, nurturing, romantic relationships we'd all like to have in our lives. By surrounding ourselves with these song-affirmations, we can reinforce positive expectations, thus changing our attitudes and eventually our reality. (Here is a list of Top 20 Love Songs that can be used as positive affirmations. Use your BACK button to return to this article.)

Songs can be used in yet another way to create life-altering changes. As noted above, song lyrics make extensive use of vivid imagery and thus, if carefully chosen, can be used as guided visualizations. The presence of music with the images has a twofold effect, keeping the Inner Critic at bay while providing the emotional impact of a film soundtrack. Songwriters are adept at matching images with music to create a kind of emotional feedback loop - a technique called prosody. By adding emotions to mental imagery or visualization, its effect can be dramatically increased. Studies in the field of hypnosis have shown that the emotion accompanying an idea or image causes it to realize itself - the more emotion, the more quickly the idea becomes reality. (Dr. Daniel A. Araoz The New Hypnosis) It would appear that using songs to evoke feelings in combination with mental imagery can therefore create more rapid change than mental imagery alone.

Popular songs, then, share the characteristics of affirmations, can bypass the Inner Critic, and intensify emotions associated with mental images . Rather than elevator music, shouldn't we be looking at them as a life-changing tool that just happens to be as enjoyable to use as listening to the radio?
 

Kev

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Oh now you've done it. Comparing Tool to Screeching Weasel? You are an idiot.