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Future Shock

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What happens when the Republican party gets so intertwined with it's religious supporters that it can't think straight? What happens when traditional conservatives feel they have few other options but to speak out? Finally, true conservatives are fighting back against the Religious Wrong, as evidenced by Mike Bloomberg (Mayor of NYC and former founder and CEO of Bloomberg Inc - and worth a few billion or so of his own creation):

From http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/nyregion/26mayor.html, registration required, blah blah blah....
In Speech to Medical Graduates, Bloomberg Diverges From G.O.P. Line

By DIANE CARDWELL
Published: May 26, 2006
Distancing himself from national Republicans and the Bush administration, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg yesterday urged an end to the political manipulation of science, which he said had been used to discredit the threat of global warming and undermine medical advancements in areas like stem-cell research.

In a speech to graduating students of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, Mr. Bloomberg railed against what he sees as ideologically motivated arguments that have fueled debate over hot-button issues like teaching evolution in public schools and the Terri Schiavo case.

"Today, we are seeing hundreds of years of scientific discovery being challenged by people who simply disregard facts that don't happen to agree with their agenda," Mr. Bloomberg said. "Some call it pseudoscience, others call it faith-based science, but when you notice where this negligence tends to take place, you might as well call it 'political science.' "

Mr. Bloomberg has increasingly been using the bully pulpit to wade into national issues like gun trafficking and illegal immigration, and his latest remarks reflect how he is working to chart a third course in American politics as the national discourse remains polarized. Nominally a Republican, Mr. Bloomberg is fashioning a political framework that borrows liberal social values from the Democrats, pro-business fiscal language from the Republicans and a pragmatic approach from the private sector.

Mr. Bloomberg chose friendly territory as a backdrop for the comments, among the most politically charged of his tenure. He attended Johns Hopkins as an undergraduate, has given the university hundreds of millions of dollars over the years and spoke before an audience who might tend to identify with his views.

But beyond the halls of the university, the comments were sure to ruffle feathers and again illustrate the widening gulf between Mr. Bloomberg, a lifelong Democrat before his run for mayor, and the Republican Party to which he now belongs.

Having won re-election last year in New York by a decisive margin and with no clear future political ambitions, Mr. Bloomberg, 64, appears to be reveling in his freedom to say what he wants without worrying about the consequences within the Republican Party.

On global warming, Mr. Bloomberg echoed criticism from Democrats and environmental advocates who say that the Republicans have been slow to act, questioning how much human activity contributes to it and debating regulations.

"Despite near-unanimity in the science community, there's now a movement, driven by ideology and short-term economics, to ignore the evidence and discredit the reality of climatic change," he said.

Mr. Bloomberg also criticized the federal government, which under President Bush has restricted financing to create new stem-cell lines for research. Mr. Bloomberg said that by limiting such financing, the government was leaving its responsibility to protect the health and welfare of citizens to the private sector.

He also leveled another indirect attack at Congress and President Bush for taking up the position of Terri Schiavo's parents, passing laws to try to keep Ms. Schiavo, the brain-dead woman in Florida, on life support against her husband's wishes.

"Was there anything more inappropriate than watching political science try to override medical science in the Terri Schiavo case?" Mr. Bloomberg said.

He also went after proposals in school districts to teach intelligent design, which he called "really just creationism by another name," alongside evolution.

Many conservatives, including President Bush, support the addition of intelligent design ? which holds that life is too complicated to have been created without an architect ? to curriculums.

"It boggles the mind that nearly two centuries after Darwin, and 80 years after John Scopes was put on trial, the country is still debating the validity of evolution," he said. "This not only devalues science, it cheapens theology. As well as condemning these students to an inferior education, it ultimately hurts their professional opportunities."

In telling the graduates that science was under attack from ideologues in the public sphere, Mr. Bloomberg compared this era with one more than a century ago, when the medical school was founded, when "medicine was dominated by quacks and poorly trained physicians."

There is, just sometimes, a glimmer of hope for humanity...

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techs

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Two faced Mike. When Bush had high approval ratings he kept his mouth shut.
While it is good when any politician speaks out against politicizing science lets not give Bloomie a pass on his silence for years.
 

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Fundamentalism is a virus that breeds its own success. It creates deluded hateful and fearful individuals who can thus be squeezed for money. That money can then be directed to the growing the church as a socially gratifying refuge and sop for the deficiencies produced by ignorance and delusion. Fundamentalism is like a self perpetuating vortex that sucks humanity down. It is a cancer that we call legal. We have freedom here and that freedom allows us to pollute and destroy the minds of our children as we see fit. The true believer must destroy all that which doubts because the true believer's faith is built on sand and beneath him doubt brings terror.

Ask yourself, if you could be cured of your delusions would you want to be? Remember that everything you think and believe, everything you are, is just an accident of time and space. You are only what you had to become unless you have died to yourself. Ready to let go of everything you think you love? Ready for hell and the pit of despair?

Religion is organized insanity.
 

DealMonkey

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Eventually perhaps, science will explain every unanswered question we humans could think to ask. Until then, religion will serve to fill the inconvenient holes in man's knowledge. As those gap become more and more scarce, expect religion to act like a cornered animal. Lashing out at everyone that comes close, trying desperately to force society down the path of ignorance.
 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Eventually perhaps, science will explain every unanswered question we humans could think to ask. Until then, religion will serve to fill the inconvenient holes in man's knowledge. As those gap become more and more scarce, expect religion to act like a cornered animal. Lashing out at everyone that comes close, trying desperately to force society down the path of ignorance.
There are questions science will never answer, simply because they're not scientific questions.

Science can answer the "how" questions, but not the "why". Those you have to answer for yourself.
 

DealMonkey

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Well, if we'd just accept humanity's existence as merely a cosmic mistake. And accept that we're here because statistically there was the tiniest chance that out of the billions of planets in the universe, one had just the right conditions for life to form. If we'd just accept that our lives have no purpose other than the one we choose to give it, things would go much smoother. :)
 

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, if we'd just accept humanity's existence as merely a cosmic mistake. And accept that we're here because statistically there was the tiniest chance that out of the billions of planets in the universe, one had just the right conditions for life to form. If we'd just accept that our lives have no purpose other than the one we choose to give it, things would go much smoother. :)

But everyone wants to feel special. Some guy with a grey beard made him or her for a purpose. All religions owe their existence to a fear of death and of the unknown. Too bad we are all hairless chimps; we are born, breed and die like every other life-form on this rock. Man is smart enough to create fantastic things, unfortunately some of those fantastic things are stories about burning bushes, virgin births, miracles, etc. and they are handed down generation after generation keeping the masses ignorant and complacent. Imagine a planet that's only "religion" was to seek knowledge and the betterment of all life? Instead we have thousands of waring factions under the guise of "God".
 

Bitek

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Bloomberg is awesome as far as effective politicians go. His fall ito the Rep party is more a matter of strategy when he decided to run for mayor. NY dems are a corrupt lot, and a nasty primary fight left all the Dems looking bad. Bloomberg sidestepped and slipped in relatively unopposed on the Rep ticket.

He's done well keeping the city's economy strong and budget balanced after 911 through cuts and tax increases.

He's a model for center politics. Social liberal and fiscallly responsible, but politically very shewd to be able to get things done in a very tough city. Its too bad he is under the Rep banner as the national Reps would never nominate him as he's a NY Liberal Jew who doesn't cowtow to the F'ing fundies. I'd vote for him over any of the other prospective '08 canidates (including that sellout McCain.)
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, if we'd just accept humanity's existence as merely a cosmic mistake. And accept that we're here because statistically there was the tiniest chance that out of the billions of planets in the universe, one had just the right conditions for life to form. If we'd just accept that our lives have no purpose other than the one we choose to give it, things would go much smoother. :)

But everyone wants to feel special. Some guy with a grey beard made him or her for a purpose. All religions owe their existence to a fear of death and of the unknown. Too bad we are all hairless chimps; we are born, breed and die like every other life-form on this rock. Man is smart enough to create fantastic things, unfortunately some of those fantastic things are stories about burning bushes, virgin births, miracles, etc. and they are handed down generation after generation keeping the masses ignorant and complacent. Imagine a planet that's only "religion" was to seek knowledge and the betterment of all life? Instead we have thousands of waring factions under the guise of "God".

Whatever it is you believe is your religion. Why oh why oh why was Socrates the wisest man in the world because he was the only one who KNEW that he knew nothing? There is no knowing but there is an infinite wonder that consumes the universe with love. Truth is naught but being. Life is only real when 'I am'. If you think to be present is easy you are deeply mistaken. To be is to face utter terror. Of course, it sometimes sneaks up on you when you forget yourself by mistake.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, if we'd just accept humanity's existence as merely a cosmic mistake. And accept that we're here because statistically there was the tiniest chance that out of the billions of planets in the universe, one had just the right conditions for life to form. If we'd just accept that our lives have no purpose other than the one we choose to give it, things would go much smoother. :)

But everyone wants to feel special. Some guy with a grey beard made him or her for a purpose. All religions owe their existence to a fear of death and of the unknown. Too bad we are all hairless chimps; we are born, breed and die like every other life-form on this rock. Man is smart enough to create fantastic things, unfortunately some of those fantastic things are stories about burning bushes, virgin births, miracles, etc. and they are handed down generation after generation keeping the masses ignorant and complacent. Imagine a planet that's only "religion" was to seek knowledge and the betterment of all life? Instead we have thousands of waring factions under the guise of "God".

I know, I know. It's scary to think that there is only nothing after you die. Why would anyone want to believe that? And 2nd coming of Christ aside, that's likely what we're dealing with. Am I sure? Not totally. I could be swayed by a verifiable miracle. No images of a saint appearing on someone's screen door need apply.
 

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Originally posted by: Hafen
Bloomberg is awesome as far as effective politicians go. His fall ito the Rep party is more a matter of strategy when he decided to run for mayor. NY dems are a corrupt lot, and a nasty primary fight left all the Dems looking bad. Bloomberg sidestepped and slipped in relatively unopposed on the Rep ticket.

He's done well keeping the city's economy strong and budget balanced after 911 through cuts and tax increases.

He's a model for center politics. Social liberal and fiscallly responsible, but politically very shewd to be able to get things done in a very tough city. Its too bad he is under the Rep banner as the national Reps would never nominate him as he's a NY Liberal Jew who doesn't cowtow to the F'ing fundies. I'd vote for him over any of the other prospective '08 canidates (including that sellout McCain.)

QFT...and I have friends that know him personally, and he CAN be a bit of a pomppous and even mildly offensive guy in person (very sexist and improper at times), but I would STILL back him politically over everyone else out there. There is something to be said for a man who knows Wall St. inside and out, has too many personal billions to be bribeable, but has his heart for the common good. HE is the true picture of the "third party" that the US needs right now...

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TechBoyJK

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um, i believe in evolution, but I also think it was started off by a creator. call me crazy, but I just look at the world and can't believe that something didn't set it in motion...
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
um, i believe in evolution, but I also think it was started off by a creator. call me crazy, but I just look at the world and can't believe that something didn't set it in motion...

Yeah, but do you believe biology classes should include that?
 

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
um, i believe in evolution, but I also think it was started off by a creator. call me crazy, but I just look at the world and can't believe that something didn't set it in motion...
If you can't understand something, it doesn't mean that it can't happen.
 

Todd33

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I don't understand why touching a boobie gives me wood, but I don't blame God for it.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Todd33
I don't understand why touching a boobie gives me wood, but I don't blame God for it.

I've got a pretty good idea why it happens for me ;)
 

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, if we'd just accept humanity's existence as merely a cosmic mistake. And accept that we're here because statistically there was the tiniest chance that out of the billions of planets in the universe, one had just the right conditions for life to form. If we'd just accept that our lives have no purpose other than the one we choose to give it, things would go much smoother. :)

But everyone wants to feel special. Some guy with a grey beard made him or her for a purpose. All religions owe their existence to a fear of death and of the unknown. Too bad we are all hairless chimps; we are born, breed and die like every other life-form on this rock. Man is smart enough to create fantastic things, unfortunately some of those fantastic things are stories about burning bushes, virgin births, miracles, etc. and they are handed down generation after generation keeping the masses ignorant and complacent. Imagine a planet that's only "religion" was to seek knowledge and the betterment of all life? Instead we have thousands of waring factions under the guise of "God".

I know, I know. It's scary to think that there is only nothing after you die. Why would anyone want to believe that? And 2nd coming of Christ aside, that's likely what we're dealing with. Am I sure? Not totally. I could be swayed by a verifiable miracle. No images of a saint appearing on someone's screen door need apply.




Is that all it takes today, some hocus pocus abba cadabra miracle, and people would be swayed into believing?

If someone was able to provide the miracles you seek would you willingly follow them?
 

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I dont care much for Bloomberg and it has little to do with his views on religion.

Its his opinions on the right to keep and bear arms that bother me.
 

Future Shock

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Originally posted by: OFFascist
I dont care much for Bloomberg and it has little to do with his views on religion.

Its his opinions on the right to keep and bear arms that bother me.


Good to see that you frame the good of the entire body politic in a single issue.

Everything else in your world must be hunky-dory to be so tightly focused...no deficits, no medicare crisis, no immigration control, no spiraling of the gap between the super wealthy and the rest of the economy, no comptitive crisis internationally, and no problems with our education system...amazing, you obviously don't live in the United States...

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