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Why hasn't Hillary exploited Obama-Wright connection ?

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syzygy

Diamond Member
Obama lies about being deaf-dumb-stupid with regard to knowing anything about
his un-holy reverend's hate against whites, america, etc., so why hasn't Hillary
pounced on this ?

She has thrown fits over trifling nonsense and exaggerated imaginary differences
in pitiful attempts to draw any meaningful distinctions.

Now she has a legitimate issue that strikes at Obama's believability. She has the
verbal skills and panache to 'tastefully' pick this creep apart, expose him, corner
him, ply him with a little logic.

Hello, Hillary ? Say LIAR to Obama's face in your sweet, gentle way. Get to work
and do no favors for McCain.
 
She doesn't have to. The press, to some degree, and talking heads are doing it for her.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
in the unlikely event that she wins the nomination, she's going to need the black vote to coalesce around her.
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there are some terrible assumptions being made there, none that she can admit to, and
none that a supposedly principled person would ever stoop to patronize. but if no one
notices or cares, is it crime :evil:
 
Originally posted by: ScottMac
She doesn't have to. The press, to some degree, and talking heads are doing it for her.
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and if she is elected she'll let them dictate policies to her. but her silence must mean she's a closet conservative secretly helping the other side 😛
 
Her silence means that the whole flap is really beneath contempt, well, unless you're a rightwing fanboi, and then no bit of sleaze is too sleazy. They'd fling whalesh!t, if it was all they could get...

Barack points out that the issue of Race permeates our society, that even truly honest, caring and hardworking people like his pastor and his grandmother harbor *some* racist sentiment, even if they know it's not right. That's particularly true with seniors. None of us is without sin in that regard, but there are plenty willing to cast the first stone...

Kudos to Hillary for not joining into the rock throwing festival.
 
I'm not sure what makes you think Hillary isn't exploiting the connection. The fact that she's not doing it herself doesn't mean it's not being exploited at her direction. This is the kind of issue that a candidate shouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole for fear of getting dirtied up along with their opponent, but it's good politics to push it through more covert channels.

I'm not saying this proves Hillary IS doing anything, but I find it interesting that McCain has defended Obama on this issue and Hillary has not, to my knowledge.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
I'm not sure what makes you think Hillary isn't exploiting the connection. The fact that she's not doing it herself doesn't mean it's not being exploited at her direction. This is the kind of issue that a candidate shouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole for fear of getting dirtied up along with their opponent, but it's good politics to push it through more covert channels.

I'm not saying this proves Hillary IS doing anything, but I find it interesting that McCain has defended Obama on this issue and Hillary has not, to my knowledge.
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It's been noted defore that Mrs Clinton knows Obama has long-term potential for the Democratic party. She wants to win but she doesn't want to see Obama permanently damaged. Besides, if she were seen as attacking him on this issue it would reflect on her in a very negative way to most Dems.
 
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Rainsford
I'm not sure what makes you think Hillary isn't exploiting the connection. The fact that she's not doing it herself doesn't mean it's not being exploited at her direction. This is the kind of issue that a candidate shouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole for fear of getting dirtied up along with their opponent, but it's good politics to push it through more covert channels.

I'm not saying this proves Hillary IS doing anything, but I find it interesting that McCain has defended Obama on this issue and Hillary has not, to my knowledge.
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It's been noted defore that Mrs Clinton knows Obama has long-term potential for the Democratic party. She wants to win but she doesn't want to see Obama permanently damaged. Besides, if she were seen as attacking him on this issue it would reflect on her in a very negative way to most Dems.
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I agree with the bolded comment, which is why I said she might be doing it in a more subtle way. There are ways to attack people without being SEEN as attacking them. Proxies are so useful for that sort of thing.

I also agree that damaging Obama's long-term potential in the Democratic party would be foolish, but politicians sometimes seem remarkably short sighted.
 
hillary's campaign strategists must have taken an exhaustive look at this obama/wright situation to try to find some angle that they could exploit to hillary's advantage and obama's demise. that they have decided to remain on the sidelines on this one speaks to the notion that they've determined that this issue could quickly turn on them the minute they jumped into the fray.
 
There are a lot of sub-texts to campaigns. For Hillary, one danger is how Obama gets compared to JFK, leaving her pretty 'ordinary politician' in comparison.

This racial speech by Obama is being compared, for good reason, to Kennedy's speech about the opposition to him by Baptists over his being a Catholic.

The more attention given to Obama and the speech, the more it makes him look like JFK and a leader. She needs to either make it a negative for him, or to avoid the topic, and she can't seem to make it a negative.

Publicity is an odd thing. It can lead to political victory for the wrong reasons. How many aspiring celebrities who behave well would like a fraction of the attention given to Britney Spears? This Wright issue and Obama's speech gives him publicity, and that has an effect on votes, IMO positive in this case. Even if Hillary comes out agreeing with him, it makes him look like the leader, not her.

JFK did the same thing in a way - he was able to get a lot of sympathy votes by framing the religious issue in a way making a vote for him a way of proving you're not a bigot. While he'd already lost the votes of the actual religious bigots, by making them more visible, he was able to get the backlash vote.

And the bottom line was that it put him more in the spotlight, getting votes. Some argued that he was the one making the issue of religion larger. If he was, it was pretty good politics.

It's funny, America has a love/hate relationship with 'politics' in politicians. When it's too self-serving, they are disgusted, but when it's a strong skill, they can eventually want a president with that skill.

Politicians are punished for being 'political' if they don't win, but praised for 'leadership' when use politics well enough to win. For a nice example, compare Kennedy's use of his war hero status with John Kerry's; it worked for Kennedy, because he was more effective in using it politically, by not appearing to do so. (Of course, having a well-funded group of liars on the other side didn't help Kerry either.)
 
Originally posted by: syzygy

Why hasn't Hillary exploited Obama-Wright connection ?
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Because there is no up side to any strategy that attempt to exploit it. She's already shown herself to be a manipulative, exploitive politician. The Dem powers that be have probably already warned her that raising racial animosity would be a disaster for the party.

If she tries, I would expect them to give her the boot, and I'd applaud them for doing it.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: syzygy

Why hasn't Hillary exploited Obama-Wright connection ?
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Because there is no up side to any strategy that attempt to exploit it. She's already shown herself to be a manipulative, exploitive politician. The Dem powers that be have probably already warned her that up racial animosity would be a disaster for the party.

If she tries, I would expect them to give her the boot, and I'd applaud them for doing it.
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Exactly.

She'd be insane to get involved in this. Just let Hannity and O'Rielly do that job, and in the process piss off some independants and the few blacks who may have been inclined to vote for the Repubs.

Wasn't a lesson learned when Bill C. got involved in "race" back in the SC primary? Jeebus, she'd be crazy to touch it.

Fern
 
I may be thinking of something else, but weren't there ties made between the Clintons and Wright? A photo of a handshake and an acknowledgement that they've known him for years? No admission of being friends with the guy or of a closer link, but perhaps she's smart enough not to cast stones?
 
Originally posted by: syzygy
Obama lies about being deaf-dumb-stupid with regard to knowing anything about
his un-holy reverend's hate against whites, america, etc., so why hasn't Hillary
pounced on this ?

She has thrown fits over trifling nonsense and exaggerated imaginary differences
in pitiful attempts to draw any meaningful distinctions.

Now she has a legitimate issue that strikes at Obama's believability. She has the
verbal skills and panache to 'tastefully' pick this creep apart, expose him, corner
him, ply him with a little logic.

Hello, Hillary ? Say LIAR to Obama's face in your sweet, gentle way. Get to work
and do no favors for McCain.
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You are taking some extreme statements of a wound up Pastor on a pulpit way too serious. Hillary? Yaa commit political suicide, go after Wright's statements.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I may be thinking of something else, but weren't there ties made between the Clintons and Wright? A photo of a handshake and an acknowledgement that they've known him for years? No admission of being friends with the guy or of a closer link, but perhaps she's smart enough not to cast stones?
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It's not even in the same ballpark for comparison: A one-time PR handshake at an group event versus sitting before the man in church for 20+ years, being married by him, and having him baptize your children ... then "Gee, I don't remember ever hearing anything THAT controversial ..."

Toss in some Rezko-related memory failures, and you've got yer typical lying sack o' shit Chicago politician. The empty suit shows he really is no different than the others.

 
From tweaker2-

hillary's campaign strategists must have taken an exhaustive look at this obama/wright situation to try to find some angle that they could exploit to hillary's advantage and obama's demise. that they have decided to remain on the sidelines on this one speaks to the notion that they've determined that this issue could quickly turn on them the minute they jumped into the fray.
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It'll turn on those who keep dragging it back into the livingroom via the evening news, as well.

The fact that it plays at all among the rightie-tighties just shows how isolated they've become in their denial, and in their acceptance of race-baiting in politics. Face it, guys, there's a racial component in all the Rightwing touchstones- derision for welfare and entitlements, law and order, states' rights, voter fraud, immigration, even the WoT...

Failure to recognize that is willful blindness...
 
Forget it, Bird222- the OP and compatriots don't care to exercise the attention span of a fruitfly. If it won't fit in a 30 second soundbite, preferably a single phrase, not even a complete sentence, they've lost track long before the point is made...

Clearly, the Rev Wright's remarks exist at a depth where they simply refuse to follow.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: syzygy

Why hasn't Hillary exploited Obama-Wright connection ?
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Because there is no up side to any strategy that attempt to exploit it. She's already shown herself to be a manipulative, exploitive politician. The Dem powers that be have probably already warned her that raising racial animosity would be a disaster for the party.

If she tries, I would expect them to give her the boot, and I'd applaud them for doing it.
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Winner. She would be committing suicide to start the race stuff. The press is doing all the damage that needs to be done on this.
 
" ...[Wright] was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan?s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That?s what he told the congregation. [Wright] was quoting Peck as saying that America?s foreign policy has put the nation in peril:

?I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.?

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However, the above means nothing if you are a Republic[an] apparatchik , since their only purpose is to destroy those who oppose them. Mentality of: "Rah rah, my team!" But in this case their team steals your money and sends you to die for a lie.
 
She's keeping it for the big event in April 4th! How much would you bet it will be mentioned no later than the 3rd of April? We're talking about the Clintons here! If Clint (Eastwood) was referred to as Dirty Harry, guess who's referred to as Dirty Hillary?
 
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