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Why has GOP turnout taken a dive?

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/08/opinion/avlon-gop-turnout-down/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3

Beneath Rick Santorum's stunning three-state sweep on Tuesday stands another stubborn sign of dissatisfaction with the status quo: Republican turnout is down.
I'm talking embarrassingly, disturbingly, hey-don't-you-know-it's-an-election-year bad. It is a sign of a serious enthusiasm gap among the rank and file, and a particularly bad omen for Mitt Romney and the GOP in the general election.

Here's the tale of the tape, state by state, beginning with Tuesday night: Minnesota had just more than 47,000 people turn out for its caucuses this year -- four years ago it was nearly 63,000 -- and Romney came in first, not a distant third as he did Tuesday night. In Colorado, more than 70,000 people turned out for its caucus in 2008 -- but in 2012 it was 65,000. And Missouri -- even making a generous discount for the fact that this was an entirely symbolic contest -- had 232,000 people turn out, less than half the number who did four years ago.

Even with months of pre-primary hype and attention solely devoted to the Republican field, turnout in this election cycle essentially flat-lined. In Iowa, a little more than 121,000 people voted, compared with nearly 119,000 four years before, when action in the Democratic caucuses absorbed most of the attention.

In New Hampshire, the same dynamic applied -- 245,000 voters turned out in 2012, compared with 241,000 four years before, despite Republicans being the only game in town and independents making up 47% of the total turnout in 2012, according to CNN exit polls. Take out the independent voters and you've got a deep net decline.

Always proudly rebellious, South Carolina has been the great outlier in this election cycle. With Newt Gingrich making an all-out push for conservatives in a conservative state, turnout was up almost 150,000 over four years before.

But in Florida, the decline became unmistakable. Maybe it decreased because the Romney and Gingrich campaigns, plus super PACS, spent more than $18 million in the Sunshine State on TV ads, of which 93% were negative in the last week alone, according to the Campaign Media Analysis Group. After all, negative ads depress turnout. But after all the mud was thrown, 1.6 million people turned out in the nation's fourth largest state, which might sound impressive until you compare it with the nearly 2 million who turned out in 2008.

Nevada was even worse, with 32,894 people turning out to vote in a state with more than 465,000 registered Republicans. Four years before, more than 44,300 participated in the caucus. Turnout was down more than 25% despite the GOP caucuses being the only game in town. Party officials were expecting a turnout of more than 70,000.

All this should be a wake-up call for the GOP. Despite an enormous amount of national media attention devoted to each of the states to date, the response has been a notable yawn among the Republican rank and file.

The turnout numbers are even worse when you compare them with the number of registered Republicans in each state that has voted to date.

The caucuses in particular bring out an unrepresentative sample of a state's Republican Party. For all the grass-roots romanticism, there has got to be a better way to pick a presidential nominee.

But the news is worst for Romney, long the presumptive front-runner in a party that tends to reward the man next in line.

"Reluctantly Romney" could be a bumper sticker, even for his supporters. The former Massachusetts governor has found it difficult to climb above 35% in national polls, meaning that a majority of Republicans still support someone else in a notably weak field. His vote margins and totals lag behind those of four years before, when he lost the nomination to John McCain in a crowded and comparatively competent field, although Minnesota is the first state he won in '08 and lost in 2012.

You reap what you sow, and part of the reason turnout is down is directly related to the problem of polarization. The Republican Party is more ideologically polarized than at any time in recent history. Therefore, it put up more purely right-wing candidates than it did four years before, when center-right leaders such as McCain and Rudy Giuliani were also in the race. A bigger tent inspired bigger turnout.

But the other reason is simple dissatisfaction with the candidates.

Republicans seem united in their anger against the president -- like the Democrats in 2004 -- but they are uninspired by their options. Draft movements for fantasy candidates ranging from Chris Christie to Mitch Daniels to Paul Ryan and even Jeb Bush have started and failed.

Some party leaders show more enthusiasm for a hypothetical 2016 crop of candidates, including Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal, than they do for the flawed choices before them in this election. Divided and dispirited is an odd place for the Republican Party to be so soon after the enthusiasms of the 2010 tea party-driven election.

The bottom line is that voter turnout matters. And what should be most troubling for Republicans is that this enthusiasm gap among the conservative base is accompanied by a lack of candidates who might appeal to independents and centrist swing voters in the general election. It is a double barrel of bad news for the Republican Party. The numbers can be spun and rationalized by professional partisan operatives all day long, but the fact remains -- voters just aren't turning out to cast their votes for this crop of conservative candidates in 2012.

I think the GOP should stop making it easier for Obama to win. So far, though, they're not interested in that.
 
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The field is really poor for this round. It feels orchestrated like 04 when all the democrats could shit out was a poor candidate combo in John Kerry and Edwards.

Edit: I couldnt even get excited about voting in the MN caucus Tuesday. The only reason I thought about going was to vote for Ron Paul. Who I know the republican party would never nominate.
I will probably write in Mickey Mouse for President at this point but vote in our house and state elections.
 
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Part of the problem when all you have is a establishment candidate. Pretty much the same can be said about McCain in 2008 and Dole in 1996. The Republicans are going to have to highlight issues instead of the candidate if they want to get the vote out.
 
I think more and more [R] voters are realizing what a poor field they have to choose from, Romney will get the nod regardless, and Obama is going to win regardless. Add all that up and you get a steaming pile of apathy which does not tend to get voters out in droves.

For Santorum to have won recently you would assume the hard core R's were outnumbering the more moderate Romney voters, which tends to support the above. I think?
 
The field is really poor for this round. It feels orchestrated like 04 when all the democrats could shit out was a poor candidate combo in John Kerry and Edwards.

Pretty much this. In Colorado, all the moderates that voted for him last time haven't bothered to show. A lot of the conservative-leaning swing voters are not going to bother this election.
 
I really doubt this matters. The Republicans don't like their candidate, but they really hate Obama. Even if they aren't turning out to vote for Romney now, you can rest assured they will be there in November.

The Democrats couldn't have cared less about Kerry, but 2004 still saw record turnout.
 
The GOP has really been crapping all over themselves recently. The Presidential candidates all really suck, and the ones who have dropped out or not run would have been worse. Palin? Bachmann? Trump? Gingrich? These people have absolutely no hope of beating anyone for President. Hell, Dukakis or Kerry could beat those losers.

The Repulicans have been doing this a lot lately. Here in Nevada there was a HUGE push to have "Anyone Butt Harry" when he was up for re-election and the losers in the GOP threw Sharron effing Angle out there as a candidate. My neighbor's retarded chihuahua could have won that election as a Republican but instead their candidate was crazier than Palin and Bachmann combined.
 
It's more than just these candidates. A decline in rightwing media viewership preceded this about a year ago. The whole Republican brand is in trouble. Their core ideology for the past 30 years reached its logical conclusion under Bush and now they don't have anything left other than extremism and obstructionism. And it looks like that is quickly running its course as well.
"The one thing that unites everybody is a hatred of Barack Obama," said Craig Shirley, a CPAC veteran and one of Reagan's newest and best biographers. "But hatred of the president is not a governing philosophy."
Indeed.
 
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Yes, the conservatives are all but extinct, we're a dying breed. Have some mercy on us poor fading political dinosaurs. Don't send any Democrat campaign money, don't volunteer and especially, don't go to vote in November. It's the right thing for liberal/Democrats to do.
 
beating a sitting president is hard.

you never really see the best candidates making a push in an incumbency year. why waste the effort if they've got the luxury of waiting 4 years and making a play in a more favorable contest, where their opponent isn't going to get to ride around in Air Force One on the tax payer's dime and have "Hail to the Chief" to play every time he walks into a room?

that's why you end up with candidates like Kerry, Dole, and Mondale.
 
Yes, the conservatives are all but extinct, we're a dying breed. Have some mercy on us poor fading political dinosaurs. Don't send any Democrat campaign money, don't volunteer and especially, don't go to vote in November. It's the right thing for liberal/Democrats to do.
And the right thing for you to do is stop clinging to your dying ideology. The writing is on the wall. The policies of the GOP have weakened our nation and they can't hide from it anymore.

As for voter turnout, even hardcore Republicans hate the current crop of candidates. Everyone knows this.
 
Bush, McCain, Romney... puke.

Conservatives haven't left the GOP, the GOP left us. Most are simply lost without a political party.
 
The republican men behind the curtain are holding Jeb Bush and Chris Christie in reserve for when the Democrats will be looking for a new nominee as well.

That is why the field seems weak on the Republican side for 2012.

I'm willing to bet either Jeb Bush or Chris Christie or both will enter the race in 2016.
 
Part of the problem when all you have is a establishment candidate. Pretty much the same can be said about McCain in 2008 and Dole in 1996. The Republicans are going to have to highlight issues instead of the candidate if they want to get the vote out.

I thought RP was supposed to be the non-establishment candidate. And indeed, he's doing better than he did in 2008. So you're somewhat correct that there is more desire for a non-establishment candidate. But nonetheless overall turnout has decreased.
 
I really doubt this matters. The Republicans don't like their candidate, but they really hate Obama. Even if they aren't turning out to vote for Romney now, you can rest assured they will be there in November.

The Democrats couldn't have cared less about Kerry, but 2004 still saw record turnout.

Agreed and in a perverse way this could bite the dems, many of whom seem to believe a Romney win is impossible. Pride goeth before a fall.
 
The votes are simply being discarded. Dr. Paul's supporters are vocal and loyal, so he should have the same number of votes as last time.
 
I really doubt this matters. The Republicans don't like their candidate, but they really hate Obama. Even if they aren't turning out to vote for Romney now, you can rest assured they will be there in November.

The Democrats couldn't have cared less about Kerry, but 2004 still saw record turnout.

I'm going to disagree somewhat here. It only takes a small percentage of GOP voters not turning out because they don't like Romneycare, or his overall moderate stance, or the fact that he's mormon, to sway a close election. These turnout numbers should be viewed cautiously in terms of predictive power to the general election, but it isn't a great sign for the GOP this year.

Comparisons with Kerry are iffy in the sense that there are conservatives who literally think Romney is a liberal in sheep's clothing and they fanatically believe this. This includes both libertarian types and social conservatives. Dems weren't that excited over Kerry, but in general they didn't hold these kinds of strong negative opinions of him.
 
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I thought RP was supposed to be the non-establishment candidate. And indeed, he's doing better than he did in 2008. So you're somewhat correct that there is more desire for a non-establishment candidate. But nonetheless overall turnout has decreased.

Most Republicans see Ron Paul as either a Libertarian or having too many libertarian ideals to be a good Republican candidate for President. Personally i'd like to see some libertarian ideals incorporated into the GOP and I think it's happening.
 
I really doubt this matters. The Republicans don't like their candidate, but they really hate Obama. Even if they aren't turning out to vote for Romney now, you can rest assured they will be there in November.

The Democrats couldn't have cared less about Kerry, but 2004 still saw record turnout.

Republicans don't hate Obama. There is no passion to hate him.
 
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