Originally posted by: Soccer55
I must say that Terumo, not the others, come across as the "fanatic" in this discussion.
Yesterday I was an "FreeBSDer", now I'm a Window's "apologist" (again).
When you guys get over your schizophrenia in only scapegoating, let me know.
It's almost as if you, Terumo, have no idea what you're talking about as you:
Meanwhile, I'm running you guys in circles with simple
logic.
Danger of being spoonfed or brainswashed is that when the propaganda and/or script is removed, it makes a person lacking in the ability to think critically
on their own.
1) Make some lofty assumptions - ProviaFan uses linux as a server to impress people, you know more about NASA than Sunner (despite not offering any evidence that you do), etc
My sig explains enough.
But then again, I might come back to show you the mess of a raw satellite feed, for fun.
2) Make condescending comments - "If you don't know how to acquire it (Windows 2003 Server), you're out of the loop", "knowledge != wisdom", etc
Meanwhile, you ignore it in others which shows your bias. Bias is the problem here, as it clouds judgement and is a basis of propaganda.
3) State opinions as fact - "GUIs are the future of server administration", MS Server > Linux unless you're just doing basic stuff like serving webpages, etc
It has to have a GUI no and's, if's or but's about it. Pure lovely, beautiful and vivid functional graphics so even grandma can understand how to use a server (heck, maybe in 20 years she could be running mainframes, with point and click ease).
That will be a fact. With OLEDs on the way (if you don't know, will be responsible for flexible membrane screens that can be rolled up like a projector screen) making visual displays available for even 1U racks, it's just only a matter of time.
OLEDs are already on the market in small devices like cameras, and will be coming to the desktop in 2 to 4 years on the monitor market and beyond. It'll probably replace conventional LCD (as it's even more energy efficient and the colors are
organic.
So yes, you're clearly out of the loop on the technology roadmap. BTW, grab Scientific American instead of Playboy sometime, since the emerging technology won't be addressed across a centerfold.
4) Make inaccurate statements about things you don't have first-hand experience with - hardware firewalls, ProviaFan's server needs, etc
Neither does anyone else here. 99.9% of the people on this thread have zero experience with enterprise class computers and their operation (they try to pass themselves off as working on the equipment, but their age alone tells me they're down on the access totem pole -- they're monitor watchers and cable organizers instead). It's like this scenerio: when an important client needs work done on saturday at 8pm at night, the boss isn't going to send a recent CS grad (or inexperienced papered warrior) to fix an established client's network. The boss will call in his most experienced team or shop leader. The same applies with $50,000 hardware.
Common sense.
As a result, it seems that this has degenerated even further into an e-pissing contest.
It need not be if folks stuck to the issues, not personalities.
Up until the last page or so, I was actually enjoying the turn this thread took from its original intention.
It was good until boys-will-be-boys come in and all they can do is attack the messenger to derail the discussion.
For the record, I have a Win2k desktop (a legal copy that I used to have set up as a server via IIS while I was an undergrad) and a Red Hat server. Both of them do exactly what I need them to do. Just my observations as I've been reading this thread.
Ditto.
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