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Why dumb people should not vote - Washington votes no to GMO labeling

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Texashiker said:
This is not about being anti-GMO or pro-GMO. It is about allowing the consumer to be able to decide what they want to eat.

If something has hydrogenated oils in it, my wife and I usually do not buy it.

Lets take butter for an example. If the box list anything besides cream and salt my wife and I do not buy it. We want pure butter with no manmade processed ingredients.

But for some reason labeling GMO is a bad thing?
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You have a ridiculous notion that you feel better when you eat 'pure'. You have no right to indulge in this placebo effect. It's all mumbo jumbo. How dare you request that others label their food as impure. You have no right to judge that. They have the right to judge that for you. I don't got to show you no stinking batches, bitch. You eat what your corporate Nannies tell you to.

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Texashiker said:
With my butter example above, my wife and I eat only pure natural butter with no hydrogenated oils.

Shouldn't consumers have to option to be able to eat what they want?

Salt, calories, vitamin content,hydrogenated oils, dyes,,,, everything else is listed, so why not GMO.
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Because GMO is now very, very common. It isn't an allergen and there is no science to back up the "frankenfood" claims. It is a NON ISSUE. It is for the same reason they don't list what kind of salt, or where the beetles in red 40 dye were harvested from.

Again, ASSUME everything is GMO and only buy things labeled NON-GMO. If non-gmo is so fucking awesome then it will be a selling point and it will be placed on the labels.

Also, I don't believe the FDA has a GMO threshold. If you get a loaf of wheat bread how much of the wheat can be GMO? How do you detect GMO wheat from non-gmo wheat?
 
Apple Of Sodom said:
It is a tool to give better (NEW! IMPROVED!) crops that require less water (SUSTAINABLE!), sunlight (Part of the Green Revolution!), heat (Energy Efficient!), pesticides (More Natural!), or whatever else.
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FIFY.

I have practiced and studied marketing for a good chunk of my life. You can sell almost anything if you can find a way to frame and label it correctly. These companies would seem to prefer coercion, lobbying and legal threats instead of just investing in some BS artists.
 
Texashiker said:
I think I am going to produce a generic ground meat.

Maybe visit the local animal shelters for dogs and cats, maybe add in a few raccoons and opossums?

When people demand to know what they are eating, I will just accuse them of fear mongering.

Ground meat is ground meat, so what if it comes from rats, dogs, cats, or cows?
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Who eats ground meat? who sells ground meat? I always see it labeled as beef or turkey or pork or buffalo. Sounds like you are using your own brand of fear-mongering.
 
Texashiker said:
Except that GMOs do not use less pesticides.

It is well documented that after the introduction of GMO soybeans, pesticide use has skyrocketed.

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2012/10/how-gmos-ramped-us-pesticide-use

In some cases so much pestidice is being used there are cancer clusters,

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2013/10/argentina-cancer-cluster-pesticide
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Gee, an article about farming with GMOs and how they use less pesticides.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/nature/fewer-pesticides-farming-with-gmos/
 
It's so great we have to spend billions to lobby to keep folks from finding out if GMO is in their foods or not. Votes are heavily influenced by the budget of those standing for or against a bill/measure.

Silly folks can't be trusted to make an educated decision on something as important as what they eat. Never mind that if GMO labels were used it would lead to a market choice of how GMO is received and how it evolves in the food we eat by using the wisdom of a mass market choices of educated individuals. That power is much better kept hidden in those who stand to benefit from the business of GMO.
 
poofyhairguy said:
FIFY.

I have practiced and studied marketing for a good chunk of my life. You can sell almost anything if you can find a way to frame and label it correctly. These companies would seem to prefer coercion, lobbying and legal threats instead of just investing in some BS artists.
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Do you think those buzz words work on your average starving kid who can now have a bowl of rice because of GMO?

Do they work on your average broke mother that can afford a bag of rice from wal-mart?

Some people care about that shit. Most people don't. They care about price and quantity first and foremost. Why would these companies want to advertise shit people don't care about?
 
Attic said:
It's so great we have to spend billions to lobby to keep folks from finding out if GMO is in their foods or not. Votes are heavily influenced by the budget of those standing for or against a bill/measure.

Silly folks can't be trusted to make an educated decision on something as important as what they eat. Never mind that if GMO labels were used it would lead to a market choice of how GMO is received and how it evolves in the food we eat by using the wisdom of a mass market choices of educated individuals. That power is much better kept hidden in those who stand to benefit from the business of GMO.
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It is the fault of the anti-GMO crowd to begin with. They demonized GMO, poisoned the well, and now want it labeled. It could cause the death of GMO and they know it. It is a political game on both sides. That is complete bullshit. But let's not look at what us fat Americans are concerened about stuffing in our mouths. How about we look at a place where GMOs literally save lives and make a difference. Yep! Same bullshit from anti-GMO crowd.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/nature/fewer-pesticides-farming-with-gmos/

"In parts of India, farmers spray more than 60 insecticides on their eggplant—known to locals as brinjal—during the growing season, mainly to protect the purple fruit from burrowing bugs, says Ponnuswami Balasubramanian, a plant molecular biologist at Tamil Nadu Agricultural University in Coimbatore, India. To reduce the insecticide load without losing the harvest, Balasubramanian, together with public sector researchers and a private Indian seed company, developed Bt versions of four varieties of eggplant that are popular in southern states. Monsanto was not involved, but still public outcry from GMO opponents blocked the eggplants from federal approval."

Read that last sentence.
 
Texashiker said:
Red Baron pizza VS pack of cigarettes.

Which one list ingredients, and which one has fought listing ingredients tooth and nail?

Not that GMO is bad. But companies that fight listing ingredients at every corner usually have a reason.
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Food vs. non food. Great argument. Plus, if you really need to know what goes into cigarettes due to wanting to know adverse health effects, wow, just wow.
 
Apple Of Sodom said:
Do you think those buzz words work on your average starving kid who can now have a bowl of rice because of GMO?

Do they work on your average broke mother that can afford a bag of rice from wal-mart?

Some people care about that shit. Most people don't. They care about price and quantity first and foremost. Why would these companies want to advertise shit people don't care about?
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What you are talking about is price conscious consumers. You are correct they don't care about marketing, but their opinion doesn't really matter.

They are not the customers of GMO seeds that are produced by these companies. Big agribusinesses are. And big agribusiness, just like any large business, is susceptible to marketing. Scare the shit out of their sourcing gatekeeper that generic GMO products are a liability.

In the greater market, again the opinions of the price conscious consumers don't matter. Labeled or not, they will buy what is cheapest. The battle is over the heart and mind of the middle class mom who will spend a little extra to protect her kids. Pro-GMO marketing directed at her is much better than trying to hide the truth of what products are GMO.

When you try so hard to hide it, you imply it is a bad thing.
 
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Apple Of Sodom said:
Monsanto was not involved, but still public outcry from GMO opponents blocked the eggplants from federal approval."

Read that last sentence.
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Why does an egg plant going to india need federal approval?


Apple Of Sodom said:
You can. Assume it is GMO unless labeled otherwise.
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That is not being an educated consumer.

So I can assume butter has hydrogenated oils in it? While some brands do have oils and some do not?
 
Moonbeam said:
You have a ridiculous notion that you feel better when you eat 'pure'. You have no right to indulge in this placebo effect. It's all mumbo jumbo. How dare you request that others label their food as impure. You have no right to judge that. They have the right to judge that for you. I don't got to show you no stinking batches, bitch. You eat what your corporate Nannies tell you to.

You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter. You won't believe it's not butter.
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Parkay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVWQYeiB6JI
 
Texashiker said:
Red Baron pizza VS pack of cigarettes.

Which one list ingredients, and which one has fought listing ingredients tooth and nail?

Not that GMO is bad. But companies that fight listing ingredients at every corner usually have a reason.
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You do realize that GMO is a concept and not an ingredient, right?
 
Apple Of Sodom said:
It is the fault of the anti-GMO crowd to begin with. They demonized GMO, poisoned the well, and now want it labeled.
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The only reason the "well is poisoned" is because these companies wanted to hide in the dark, and in doing so they let GMO hippies control the message.

What they need to do is dump some of those profits into marketers instead of lawyers and fix the GMO brand.

Probably would only cost a few billion over a few decades. Study what the "Got Milk?" or "Beef, Its Whats for Dinner" campaigns did and copy the shit out of it.

"It is the future! It has saved a billion people!" Plenty of good angles.

I will never support a system that feels that a lack of transparency is the answer.
 
poofyhairguy said:
What you are talking about is price conscious consumers. You are correct they don't care about marketing, but their opinion doesn't really matter.

They are not the customers of GMO seeds that are produced by these companies. Big agribusinesses are. And big agribusiness, just like any large business, is susceptible to marketing. Scare the shit out of their sourcing gatekeeper that generic GMO products are a liability.

In the greater market, again the opinions of the price conscious consumers don't matter. Labeled or not, they will buy what is cheapest. The battle is over the heart and mind of the middle class mom who will spend a little extra to protect her kids. Pro-GMO marketing directed at her is much better than trying to hide the truth of what products are GMO from here.

When you try so hard to hide it, you imply it is a bad thing.
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Did you read the article I linked to? One more time.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/nature/fewer-pesticides-farming-with-gmos/

Read the parts about how these companies are developing GMO strains for 3rd world countries and being blocked by non-GMO crowds. I suppose having brown people spray eggplant with 60 pesticides without any type of protection is better than letting a scary GMO out in the wild.

I think the pro-GMO crowd knows the well has been poisoned. GMO is synonymous with frankenfood and scary illness out of stupidity. THAT is why they are fighting it, not because it is bad.
 
Apple Of Sodom said:
Why? Just because? It is absurd to say we shouldn't allow GMO when it saves millions of people from starving to death.
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We shouldn't mess with nature. These plants evolved over millions of years to weed out bad genes and select for good ones. Some guy in lab looking to make a quick buck is not going to do better.
 
Texashiker said:
With my butter example above, my wife and I eat only pure natural butter with no hydrogenated oils.

Shouldn't consumers have to option to be able to eat what they want?

Salt, calories, vitamin content,hydrogenated oils, dyes,,,, everything else is listed, so why not GMO.
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So you want to know if there's cream and salt in your butter, and that's it?

You don't care if the cow was given growth hormones? Why do you want to kill consumers?
 
Apple Of Sodom said:
Did you read the article I linked to? One more time.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/nature/fewer-pesticides-farming-with-gmos/
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You keep linking to an article that provides no sound facts on how GMOs have affected pesticide rates. That article is nothing more than an opinion piece on pesticides and GMO.

While I linked to an article that provides exact information on how pesticides and cancer rates went up after GMO introduction.


BoberFett said:
So you want to know if there's cream and salt in your butter, and that's it?

You don't care if the cow was given growth hormones? Why do you want to kill consumers?
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My wife and I buy organic milk.


bignateyk said:
Says the anti-vaccine nutter.
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That is a lie and you know it.

I have never said I am anti-vaccine.
 
senseamp said:
We shouldn't mess with nature. These plants evolved over millions of years to weed out bad genes and select for good ones. Some guy in lab looking to make a quick buck is not going to do better.
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Funny you state it that way because the people in the lab only did the same thing. They just didn't wait millions of years to get the same result from nature. You are right, its no better than nature, but what good is waiting for a natural solution to hunger when everyone is dead.

Or the easy answer, stop having so many kids and we wouldn't need to research ways to speed up nature in order to feed the world. But of course, I had to bring up the 800lb gorilla in the room.
 
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