Why don't you like Bush (GWB, not the one in your pants)?

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SuperTool

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I don't trust the guy. Republican party has turned into an anti-intellectual party which considers west and east coast educated middle class professionals "elites," but apparently not CEOs or Republican politicians.
Being an educated middle class professional from CA, I disagree with their position.
 

jjones

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Oct 9, 2001
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Bush is evil just like all the repubs and neocon criminals. He's a liar, he's in the pocket of oil companies, he stole the election, his family is scum, he's a chimp and an idiot. Does that about cover it? Anybody who disagrees with me is a bush loving, apologizing, deluded republican tool.

Oh, and this belongs in P&N.

:beer::D:beer:
 

jyates

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Originally posted by: conjur
That's what I thought but after a while, the typical response is "asked and answered". Bush kept giving them credence by answering with something. I began to notice a change in his answers, too, shying away from the WMDs (which were the legal justification used for the invasion.)

I believe we still don't know everything that is or was in Iraq and with the
cash Saddam was handing out we may be a long while ever putting all the
pieces of the puzzle together.
 

SuperTool

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Jan 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: jyates
Originally posted by: conjur
That's what I thought but after a while, the typical response is "asked and answered". Bush kept giving them credence by answering with something. I began to notice a change in his answers, too, shying away from the WMDs (which were the legal justification used for the invasion.)

I believe we still don't know everything that is or was in Iraq and with the
cash Saddam was handing out we may be a long while ever putting all the
pieces of the puzzle together.

But this election, the decision should be based on what we do know, which is there hasn't been any WMD stockpiles found at all.
P.S. I am done with this thread please move it to P&N :D
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: jyates
Originally posted by: conjur
That's what I thought but after a while, the typical response is "asked and answered". Bush kept giving them credence by answering with something. I began to notice a change in his answers, too, shying away from the WMDs (which were the legal justification used for the invasion.)
I believe we still don't know everything that is or was in Iraq and with the
cash Saddam was handing out we may be a long while ever putting all the
pieces of the puzzle together.
Blix and Kay said there were none. Kay went so far as to say "we were all wrong".

The over 1,000 members of the ISG (led by Bush yes-man Dulfer) have been searching for over a year and have found NOTHING. There ain't nuthin' there boys.
 

Isshinryu

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I like him, and I also like to make fun of him. :)
I haven't been here throughout his whole term, but he "claims" to support issues I support.
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: jjones
Bush is evil just like all the repubs and neocon criminals. He's a liar, he's in the pocket of oil companies, he stole the election, his family is scum, he's a chimp and an idiot. Does that about cover it? Anybody who disagrees with me is a bush loving, apologizing, deluded republican tool.

Oh, and this belongs in P&N.

:beer::D:beer:

I agree.
 

jyates

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Aug 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: jjones
Bush is evil just like all the repubs and neocon criminals. He's a liar, he's in the pocket of oil companies, he stole the election, his family is scum, he's a chimp and an idiot. Does that about cover it? Anybody who disagrees with me is a bush loving, apologizing, deluded republican tool.

Oh, and this belongs in P&N.

:beer::D:beer:

Did you make all that up yourself or did you read it on the back of your
morning cereal box? :)
 

beer

Lifer
Jun 27, 2000
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Appearant conflicts of interest. Regardless if they are indeed true, the mere apperance of conflicts of interest are cause for suspicion.
 

BurnItDwn

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hmmmm .....
1.) Iraq wasn't linked to any attacks on the USA and Bush still convinced enough people to agree to attack Iraq (though I believe MANY were at fault for this)
2.) He does a very bad job with international politics (how many people in the world hate us now compared to 4 years ago? how much more do they hate us? how much more trendy has anti-americanism grown in other countries?)
3.) After the war was all approved, he should have perhaps had some additional planning done (you know, so things didn't turn out so piss poor)
4.) He should not have declared victory in the beginning of the war
5.) I know the economy doesn't have too much to do with the president, (though I know the president does have some influence over things) but damn, WTF happened, things were going so well under Clinton, and then BAM ... things take a steep decline
6.) He seems to want everyone to always talk about terrorism and be concerned about it all the time. There was what, one major attack in the states, and the idiots that pulled it off got lucky. IMO that's not a reason to blast it on the media 24/7 and add a new department to the government and
7.) I heard the Bin Laden family was in the states at the time of the whole airplanes crash into buildings incident and that the Bush 'administration' did what they could to get the family back home to Saudi Arabia ASAP. They didn't ohh say, interview them, detain them, find out information as to where their family member Osama was. They would probably have at least a few tidbits of information as they were family members.
8.) I don't claim to be a genious, but I want the president to act and look smarter than I think I am. Clinton did it, Bush Sr did it, Reagan did it, Bush Jr ... he doesn't really have any respect from me. He is a terrible public speaker. He looks like a lost child that doesn't know what to do whenever I see him on TV.
9.) He is a bit too arrogant IMO (see also #1,2,3,4)
10.) He kinda overplayed this whole tax cut thing, I didn't get anything more back than usual.
11.) There seems to be a lot of stuff going on. Everyone needs a vacation once in a while, but the job of the president reqiures a LOT of responsibillity. Bush seems to be on vacation almost as often as he seems to be doing his job. Perhaps if he were to spend two weeks of the year on vacation, and 50 weeks working, he may actually be able to acomplish something.
12.) We were actually starting to do good and pay off the national debt. Then this guy named bush came around. He increased spending and created the biggest deficit of all time with his wonderfull budget planning skills. (see also #8). It is stupid to carry a debt, since paying interest on money you already owe when you don't have enough money and need to borrow more is ... well, stupid.
13.) I recall hearing comments that he was guided by god. That means that his actions as president are decided by faith/belief rather than sound reasoning. This is horrible. Its one thing to have your own beliefs, but another to make decisions based upon your faith in a (most likely nonexistant, though it hasn't been proven) god.
14.) Hmmm ... I recall hearing many stories/reports about how troops in Iraq were not given the equipment that they needed. (such as armor for their humvees). Though this may not have been directly his fault, he should certainly have stalled his war for a little while to at least get some kind of makeshift armor for the humvees.
15.) Where are those WMDs? Ohh yea, Korea has them .... lets attack Iraq. It makes logical sense now.

There are many more things that i disapprove of, though many others are opinions rather than facts.

I SOOOOO wish McCain had won the primaries last time, because I believe he would have made one Hell of a great president.



Bush reminds me of a deer standing in the middle of the road, with its eyes fixed straigt at the headlights of the Semi truck heading his way at 70mph.


I hope Kerry does a good job when he becomes president, but guess if he doesn't then maybe we could get a good republican in 4 years time .... (perhaps McCain will run again?)

in time we will all see ....




EDIT: If I am wrong on any of the facts, please correct me, I watch too much TV and I tend to watch both CNN and FOX news ... to get both sides of the story, however, since they both skew things their way, I sometimes put the pieces together wrong in my head and misinterpret something.
 

chibchakan

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Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Easy. I don't trust Bush and company.

I sure hope you don't trust any politicians...

Let me correct myself then: GWB and the administration, by their words and their actions, take my distrust to a new, exponentially higher level.



:thumbsup::)
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
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I don't like him because I disagree with his actions regarding

the environment,
education,
health care,
national security,
personal freedoms.

Gun control and abortion aren't huge issues for me, the public views on these issues are way too volatile for any politician to try anything extreme. Well, at least not too extreme.
 

What is there TO like about him?

I think the best thing about him is that he has given comedians enough material to last a decade.
 

oogabooga

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Jan 14, 2003
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sampson, his material doesn't compare to the comedy gold clinton was ;)

I think he may be a really good guy, and even someone i may one day want to get to know. He has the moral standings to be an upright citizen, and the convictions to act out changes that will better the world
that being said, i do not like him as my president. He represents a nation that has a need for flexible yet firm leadership. while he provides much of the strong leadership [and i coin this lightly] he doesn't really have the flexability to understand his people. While as a person, I perhaps may like him, I do not think he has the ability to effectively lead this country in this modern era.
 

element

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Oct 9, 1999
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why did we even go looking for WMD? We didn't get attacked with WMD we got attacked by those assholes that hijacked the friggin plane. We should have gone after every last al queda sh!thead, those are the fvckers that posed a real threat to U.S. national security. Hell they even posed a threat to us BEFORE 911. Remember the bombing of the WTC in 93? ah how quickly we forget.
 

phreakah

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Feb 9, 2002
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Originally posted by: chibchakan
Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Easy. I don't trust Bush and company.

I sure hope you don't trust any politicians...

Let me correct myself then: GWB and the administration, by their words and their actions, take my distrust to a new, exponentially higher level.



:thumbsup::)
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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yeah. P&N.

I voted for Bush in '00 because he came across as a moderate Republican, who had no qualms about accepting an endorsement (and money)from the gay Repubs. since 9/11, though, he has swung over to the far right, and let himself be handled by his far-right advisors. I mean, if I wanted Cheney and Ashcroft to be president, I would have voted for them as write-ins.
 

dawks

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Oct 9, 1999
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Holy crap, is this thread real?

If we go back about 1.5-2 years ago, every post would be like "I have no doubt there are WMD in Iraq, and its only a matter of time before we are harmed by them" and "I fully support Bush, he will do what it takes to protect the nation" and "Bush is a great leader, and the intelligence his administration has is second to none, I fully agree with his views".

Sigh.
 

element

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: DaZ
Holy crap, is this thread real?

If we go back about 1.5-2 years ago, every post would be like "I have no doubt there are WMD in Iraq, and its only a matter of time before we are harmed by them" and "I fully support Bush, he will do what it takes to protect the nation" and "Bush is a great leader, and the intelligence his administration has is second to none, I fully agree with his views".

Sigh.

You're so right! Bush in '04! 4 more years! 4 more years!


j/k

ok yeah maybe we didn't know any better but it's not our job to either. it was the Bush admin's and clrearly they could have handled it better. plus the economy sucks what's with the huge deficit wtf?

not to mention stem cell research. heck even nancy reagan is against bush on that issue and they're for the same party.

stem cells have the potential to help millions lead healthier more productive lives which would benefit the whole nation. but bush is against it. but by all means put more assault rifles on the street, not that that willl help anyone.
 

Taggart

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Apr 23, 2001
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I don't like Bush, but I am voting for him. Here are the 2 top points to keep it 'light':
1. John Kerry has a very liberal record and I cannot support a liberal candidate.
2. I think Bush has done the job needed to combat terrorism. I would prefer for someone to invade and ask questions later if the safety of the nation was in question than the opposite, which is dick around waiting on inspectors and the damn UN while we are attacked.
 

0roo0roo

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a little bush vs bush flip flop video http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001279.php


. I think Bush has done the job needed to combat terrorism. I would prefer for someone to invade and ask questions later if the safety of the nation was in question than the opposite, which is dick around waiting on inspectors and the damn UN while we are attacked.

your forgetting operation desert fox. where clinton had over 600 sorties of surprise airstrikes/325 cruise missles etc on iraq? where are those wmds eh? its likely clinton destroyed them. oh? clinton was destryoing wmd when all republicans could do was obsess over blow jobs? correct! who hates america now? your also forgetting that bush came into office with richard clarke basically yelling at him that his priority should be terrorism. the clinton transition teams in multiple meeting with his cabinet repeatedly warned the bush team. bush team did what? yes, endless spree of vacations while obsessing over just how much money they could save the rich with tax cuts. when asked about terrorism, he admited he ignored it. rumsfeld threatened presidential vetos when his anti missle defence projects funding was considered by congress better off as anti terror funding. ashcroft cut anti terror funding on sept 10 2001. and now their only excuse is that they were tired of swatting flies. what flies did they even try to swat? thats right....none, its so tiring slacking off u know.

and now, with his incompetent diplomacy he has created a world wide climate of rabid anti americanism, an incredible breeding ground for terror. a man that ignores threats and then goes around hamfistedly attacking problems without an ounce of widsom is not someone fit to lead.
 

Pers

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Jan 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: oogabooga
sampson, his material doesn't compare to the comedy gold clinton was ;)

I think he may be a really good guy, and even someone i may one day want to get to know. He has the moral standings to be an upright citizen, and the convictions to act out changes that will better the world
that being said, i do not like him as my president. He represents a nation that has a need for flexible yet firm leadership. while he provides much of the strong leadership [and i coin this lightly] he doesn't really have the flexability to understand his people. While as a person, I perhaps may like him, I do not think he has the ability to effectively lead this country in this modern era.

i wonder if his "moral standings" (whatever that means?) are as much of a facade as was his concern for liberating the iraqi people. i suppose since he's fooled us at least once with the premise of war, shame should be placed on his character. But apparently even though it's been understood that he wasn't completely honest about Iraq, you continue to praise his "moral standings"...what does that make you? nevermind, i've probably already lost you.

"There's a lot of talk about Iraq on our TV screens, and there should be, because we're trying to figure out how best to make the world a peaceful place. There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee...that says, fool me once, shame on...... (long pause) shame on you. Fool me ?(long pause) can't get fooled again." - yours truly, bush

i really doubt that his stupidity has been exaggerated. He'd probably be better fit mowing my lawn.
 

Pers

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Jan 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: DaZ
Holy crap, is this thread real?

If we go back about 1.5-2 years ago, every post would be like "I have no doubt there are WMD in Iraq, and its only a matter of time before we are harmed by them" and "I fully support Bush, he will do what it takes to protect the nation" and "Bush is a great leader, and the intelligence his administration has is second to none, I fully agree with his views".

Sigh.

yea and i was called an anti-american moronic diaper head that belonged back in my cave in the middle of iraq because i questioned the motives of the president. to all those people who have bravely reconsidered their position... next time you encounter controversy.. don't approach people who oppose your views with arrogance and drone-like rhetoric. try to prove american stereotypes wrong for a change.
 

Pers

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Jan 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: element
Originally posted by: DaZ
Holy crap, is this thread real?

If we go back about 1.5-2 years ago, every post would be like "I have no doubt there are WMD in Iraq, and its only a matter of time before we are harmed by them" and "I fully support Bush, he will do what it takes to protect the nation" and "Bush is a great leader, and the intelligence his administration has is second to none, I fully agree with his views".

Sigh.

You're so right! Bush in '04! 4 more years! 4 more years!


j/k

ok yeah maybe we didn't know any better but it's not our job to either. it was the Bush admin's and clrearly they could have handled it better. plus the economy sucks what's with the huge deficit wtf?

not to mention stem cell research. heck even nancy reagan is against bush on that issue and they're for the same party.

stem cells have the potential to help millions lead healthier more productive lives which would benefit the whole nation. but bush is against it. but by all means put more assault rifles on the street, not that that willl help anyone.

it's not your job? that was seriously the most moronic thing to say coming from a potential supporter of this great "democracy". congratulations. I was under the impression that all of our voices count in this country? Anyway, Don't share your opinions with others if "it's not your job." If you know nothing about the topic, don't pretend that you do. Simple enough? probably not for you. Having blind faith in your politicians is almost as stupid as your response was. Almost, not quite. For every 10 people i had the pleasure to discuss Iraq with, 3 of them were christians that would support bush if he asked them to eat sh!t every day. 5 of them pretended to know what they were talking about but would only repeat stuff they heard on their conglomerate news network. and the remaining two were the crazy commie "liberal pansies" that took the time to question their worthless president rather than mimic lines used by the media. 8 out of 10 americans that i encountered essentially took it upon themselves to "make it their jobs" by opening their mouths when they didn't have a clue what they were talking about. nice try.