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Why don't we strip the Tea Part down to what it REALLY means?

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Deudalus

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Republicans have obviously Co-Opted the Tea Party and while they chant slogans for Constitutional Rights they still don't want anyone to do drugs, have abortions, and heaven forbid gay people be allowed to marry.

The only reason this has been allowed to happen is because the CORE ISSUES that the Tea Party stands for they share with so-called Republicans.

In truth both Republicans and Democrats are for taking away your liberties, they just differ on which liberties they want to take away.

So why don't we take it down to its ROOTS of what it really should accomplish?

Government out of our lives and government minding its own business whenever possible.....

That means:

Out of Iraq, out of Afghanistan
Abortions legal across the board
Gay people marrying (what does this really matter anyways)
Drugs legalized across the board
Taxes FLAT ACROSS THE BOARD

Government back to regulation of business rather than BEING IN BUSINESS BY BAILING OUT AND BUYING BUSINESSES.
 
Deudalus said:
Republicans have obviously Co-Opted the Tea Party and while they chant slogans for Constitutional Rights they still don't want anyone to do drugs, have abortions, and heaven forbid gay people be allowed to marry.

The only reason this has been allowed to happen is because the CORE ISSUES that the Tea Party stands for they share with so-called Republicans.

In truth both Republicans and Democrats are for taking away your liberties, they just differ on which liberties they want to take away.

So why don't we take it down to its ROOTS of what it really should accomplish?

Government out of our lives and government minding its own business whenever possible.....

That means:

Out of Iraq, out of Afghanistan
Abortions legal across the board
Gay people marrying (what does this really matter anyways)
Drugs legalized across the board
Taxes FLAT ACROSS THE BOARD

Government back to regulation of business rather than BEING IN BUSINESS BY BAILING OUT AND BUYING BUSINESSES.
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The TEA Party isn't about any of those issues, and should remain as such. If the individuals in the party want to worry about them than whatever, but there's no need for the "organizations" that make up the party to get involve in them.
 
xj0hnx said:
The TEA Party isn't about any of those issues, and should remain as such. If the individuals in the party want to worry about them than whatever, but there's no need for the "organizations" that make up the party to get involve in them.
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The Tea Party should ABSOLUTELY be about those issues.

You can't roam around quoting the parts of the Constitution and ignoring other parts.
 
Deudalus said:
The Tea Party should ABSOLUTELY be about those issues.

You can't roam around quoting the parts of the Constitution and ignoring other parts.
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Taxed Enough Already. It isn't even a political party. If you want to worry about other issues there's a place for you in an already existing party.
 
PeshakJang said:
So you think I should be able to own a garage full of heavy machine guns?
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That is a huge leap but here is my simple retort:

If you had a very large, tattoo covered convict with a rudimentary prison shank on one side of you and a law abiding lady with an AK-47 on the other side of you, which one would feel more threatened by?
 
Deudalus said:
Out of Iraq, out of Afghanistan
Abortions legal across the board
Gay people marrying (what does this really matter anyways)
Drugs legalized across the board
Taxes FLAT ACROSS THE BOARD
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Sounds like a good platform. Not one that could ever gain any traction though, it's far too sensible and takes away the power of the two parties to keep everyone fighting.
 
Deudalus said:
Republicans have obviously Co-Opted the Tea Party and while they chant slogans for Constitutional Rights they still don't want anyone to do drugs, have abortions, and heaven forbid gay people be allowed to marry.

The only reason this has been allowed to happen is because the CORE ISSUES that the Tea Party stands for they share with so-called Republicans.

In truth both Republicans and Democrats are for taking away your liberties, they just differ on which liberties they want to take away.

So why don't we take it down to its ROOTS of what it really should accomplish?

Government out of our lives and government minding its own business whenever possible.....

That means:

Out of Iraq, out of Afghanistan
Abortions legal across the board
Gay people marrying (what does this really matter anyways)
Drugs legalized across the board
Taxes FLAT ACROSS THE BOARD

Government back to regulation of business rather than BEING IN BUSINESS BY BAILING OUT AND BUYING BUSINESSES.
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You're pretty much laying out a Libertarian perspective, where the Tea Party is generally more of a conservative perspective.
 
Deudalus said:
That is a huge leap but here is my simple retort:

If you had a very large, tattoo covered convict with a rudimentary prison shank on one side of you and a law abiding lady with an AK-47 on the other side of you, which one would feel more threatened by?
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That doesn't really answer anything. You want the government out of everything. You want all drugs legalized, so you must also want all arms legalized... since that's actually in the constitution, and the right to take drugs is not. Is that your stance? Cause you can't have it both ways.
 
Deudalus said:
Republicans have obviously Co-Opted the Tea Party...
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I don't quite agree.

I think the Repub would like to co-opt the TEA Party, But they haven't and at present I don't believe they can.

The thing that prevents the repubs from doing that, and what scares Left so much, is that the TEA Party is leaderless/grassroots. It's far easier to deal with a centralized organization, you only need persuade the leader, the one with the power, if you want to influence or change them to move in any direction.

With no one in charge, you're essentially forced to to persuade each 'member' individually. That's a much much more difficult task.

Likewise, the Left's attacks are, I believe, completely ineffective at all but perhaps motivating their own on the Left. Without a leader who can be demonized and perhaps thereby dissuading members to abandon the party or at least influence potential members from joining, the media is left with demonizing each member ("you're al a bunch of racists"). I highly doubt these people are listening to the (mis)characterization of themselves by the media. In fact, I bet it serves to alienate then from the media and gives rise to more mistrust.

I hope the TEA Party remains 'leaderless' because I see that as their real strength.

Fern
 
cubby1223 said:
You're pretty much laying out a Libertarian perspective, where the Tea Party is generally more of a conservative perspective.
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Ayup. And we see how well they do in elections. Let's face it, Americans love fake drama. Why is reality TV such a big hit? Because people love the yelling and fighting, even though in the back of their mind they know it's all scripted. We want to argue about abortion, guns, welfare, taxes, drugs, war. There's no room for a political party that wants to keep the peace. It's all about manufactured drama in this country.

Frankly, I'd love to see the whole fucking things collapse. Once people see REAL drama, as in half the country starving to death, maybe they'll give up on the fake drama.
 
Fern said:
I don't quite agree.

I think the Repub would like to co-opt the TEA Party, But they haven't and at present I don't believe they can.

The thing that prevents the repubs from doing that, and what scares Left so much, is that the TEA Party is leaderless/grassroots. It's far easier to deal with a centralized organization, you only need persuade the leader, the one with the power, if you want to influence or change them to move in any direction.

With no one in charge, you're essentially forced to to persuade each 'member' individually. That's a much much more difficult task.

Likewise, the Left's attacks are, I believe, completely ineffective at all but perhaps motivating their own on the Left. Without a leader who can be demonized and perhaps thereby dissuading members to abandon the party or at least influence potential members from joining, the media is left with demonizing each member ("you're al a bunch of racists"). I highly doubt these people are listening to the (mis)characterization of themselves by the media. In fact, I bet it serves to alienate then from the media and gives rise to more mistrust.

I hope the TEA Party remains 'leaderless' because I see that as their real strength.

Fern
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A corollary is that the Tea Party doesn't have an actual consistent message.
 
xj0hnx said:
The TEA Party isn't about any of those issues, and should remain as such. If the individuals in the party want to worry about them than whatever, but there's no need for the "organizations" that make up the party to get involve in them.
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Exactly, as long as the tea party just foments dissent and doesn't take a stand on anything they are harder to attack. They won't be able to accomplish anything substantive because they don't have any actual stands to take, but they will be more effective as long as they are a moving target, because they are really just in place to muddy waters and attack democrats.
 
Deudalus said:
That is a huge leap but here is my simple retort:

If you had a very large, tattoo covered convict with a rudimentary prison shank on one side of you and a law abiding lady with an AK-47 on the other side of you, which one would feel more threatened by?
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none, I will still be threatened by the govt for making me stand between them.
 
PeshakJang said:
That doesn't really answer anything. You want the government out of everything. You want all drugs legalized, so you must also want all arms legalized... since that's actually in the constitution, and the right to take drugs is not. Is that your stance? Cause you can't have it both ways.
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I have no problem with someone who has a clear criminal record getting a machine gun. I know people who own machine guns, they aren't that big of a deal.
 
BoberFett said:
Ayup. And we see how well they do in elections. Let's face it, Americans love fake drama. Why is reality TV such a big hit? Because people love the yelling and fighting, even though in the back of their mind they know it's all scripted. We want to argue about abortion, guns, welfare, taxes, drugs, war. There's no room for a political party that wants to keep the peace. It's all about manufactured drama in this country.

Frankly, I'd love to see the whole fucking things collapse. Once people see REAL drama, as in half the country starving to death, maybe they'll give up on the fake drama.
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I don't think they are going anywhere, after all, after all these years Black panther is still going strong!
 
Tea party doesn't like haughty Government officials who give them ever higher taxes, expanding government, subsidizing political favorites, social engineering, etc When they say "take out country back" they literally mean government for the people by the people not elites. That means when 3/4 don't favor TARP don't do it instead of ignore the will. They are pissed what little honest work yields compared to what just a little connection with the right bureaucracy can get you. They believe people should manage their own lives to their own satisfaction that includes raising children, hiring who you want to hire, driving what you want to drive, etc.

They are divided.
Including teachers who don't want to be part of a union
Business owners who don't want to be told how to run their business
Religious people who don't want to be told how to raise their families
etc

One thing they have in common is liberty of some sort.
 
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Zebo said:
Tea party doesn't like haughty Government officials who give them ever higher taxes, expanding government, subsidizing political favorites, social engineering, etc When they say "take out country back" they literally mean government for the people by the people not elites. That means when 3/4 don't favor TARP don't do it instead of ignore the will. They are pissed what little honest work yields compared to what just a little connection with the right bureaucracy can get you. They believe people should manage their own lives to their own satisfaction that includes raising children, driving who you want to hire, driving what you want to drive, etc.

They are divided.
Including teachers who don't want to be part of a union
Business owners who don't want to be told how to run their business
Religious people who don't want to be told how to raise their families
etc

One thing they have in common is liberty of some sort.
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Yes, I'm sure they're divided, but I bet if you ask a lot of them you'll find that they're just the same old Republicans who want lower taxes, but still want to fight wars in the Middle East, keep the drug war going, ban abortion. They want their freedom, but they probably aren't as keen on other people having theirs.

Freedom is a funny thing. You're not going to like everything about it, but you can't stop those things without destroying your own freedom. Neither Democrats and Republicans understand this.
 
It's far easier to deal with a centralized organization, you only need persuade the leader,
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This, this is why Obama can say "doctors are for HC bill" When AMA says okay because of millions flowing into it from Feds but 75% of physicians are against it.

This is why the "National Association of Chiefs of Police" - who depend on the Feds for their salaries can issue a statement condemning Arizona immigration law w/o doing a survey of police chiefs.

Unions same on silence with GATT.NAFTA, just pay off the right people and people STFU.
 
BoberFett said:
Yes, I'm sure they're divided, but I bet if you ask a lot of them you'll find that they're just the same old Republicans who want lower taxes, but still want to fight wars in the Middle East, keep the drug war going, ban abortion. They want their freedom, but they probably aren't as keen on other people having theirs.

Freedom is a funny thing. You're not going to like everything about it, but you can't stop those things without destroying your own freedom. Neither Democrats and Republicans understand this.
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I see a lot of Gaston flags at rallies which is usually indicative of libertarianism. Many republicans are libertarian even though Republican party has not been so since 19th century...save maybe Goldwater/Reagan. But it's their closet shot. Sure as hell is not Dems.
 
The party that's ousted incumbent Republicans has been co-opted by said Republicans? Lol.

The Tea Party is a bunch of Republicans with a splash of Libertarianism. Right now for me they're the political equivalent of that Nazi militia patrolling the border. Don't agree with a lot of their politics, but they've had a net positive effect IMO.
 
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