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why don't we hate rambus?

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Novgrod

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Remember the good ol' days, back when Tom of Tom's hardware was good for sumfin beyond numbers, and we all learned (I was slower than most) that Rambus was evil, and that it was trying to corner the memory market in insidious ways? Well, I knew that I ought not buy the memory of a company that was quite so wrongly shafting its competitors in the name of Intel. What ever happened to that animosity? Did it die when Infineon clobbered Rambus in court? Personally I don't like intel or Rambus for strongarm tactics, and it doesn't hurt that AMD is such a knockout in price/performance, so I buy AMD, and while I'm not in the minority 'round these parts, I'd venture guess that we AMD fans aren't fans on their moral high ground (if any)

Does anybody still hate Rambus, or is everyone content to let them have their niche?
 
When you say "capitalist," do you mean "old school Adam Smithian capitalist" or "new school Forbes capitalist"? The former would really hate Rambus, and the latter wouldn't mind so much as long as the company doesn't get busted. Then the stock sinks.
 


<< When you say "capitalist," do you mean "old school Adam Smithian capitalist" or "new school Forbes capitalist"? The former would really hate Rambus, and the latter wouldn't mind so much as long as the company doesn't get busted. Then the stock sinks. >>



I buy what is the best for my buck, or offers the best performance. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the company's values, so long as I get my money's worth. That's their problem.
 
Rambus is not "evil". I reserve that term for people who do truly evil deeds. Their business tactics - as described by a Rambus executive under oath while on the stand - are not, however, ethical, and I refuse to buy a board that uses RDRAM or use RDRAM in a system that I purchase.

As far a general reduction in ranting, it is fairly clear at this point that RDRAM will not dominate the memory universe (far from it), and it looks they are losing all of the important court cases. The threat is receeding, so why waste energy hating them when it looks like they will be victims of their own greed anyway.
 


<< What ever happened to that animosity? >>

Simple, people are now putting self-interest above ethical considerations. Rambutts now has price parity to DDR. People conveniently forget all the wrongs Rambus Inc. has done and their bedding with Intel. Human nature, I suppose.
 
Rambus's Management may be evil, but the people that work for them are not.

I don't believe in:

<< I buy what is the best for my buck, or offers the best performance. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the company's values, so long as I get my money's worth. That's their problem. >>



You gotta support your products etc. A crappy company won't do that. But as for that idea in general, it is sound.

Rambus will learn from its mistakes, and if it offers better preformance for about the same amount of money, I'd go with that.

The Pentium IV has gotten much more attractive lately...
 


<< Rambus's Management may be evil, but the people that work for them are not.

I don't believe in:

<< I buy what is the best for my buck, or offers the best performance. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the company's values, so long as I get my money's worth. That's their problem. >>



You gotta support your products etc. A crappy company won't do that. But as for that idea in general, it is sound.

Rambus will learn from its mistakes, and if it offers better preformance for about the same amount of money, I'd go with that.

The Pentium IV has gotten much more attractive lately... >>



Well, what's best for my buck IS a company that stands behind their product. A product with no warranty is not a product that is best for my buck OR one that offers the best performance.

Sorry, I figured that was a given...
 


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<< Rambus's Management may be evil, but the people that work for them are not.

I don't believe in:

<< I buy what is the best for my buck, or offers the best performance. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the company's values, so long as I get my money's worth. That's their problem. >>



You gotta support your products etc. A crappy company won't do that. But as for that idea in general, it is sound.

Rambus will learn from its mistakes, and if it offers better preformance for about the same amount of money, I'd go with that.

The Pentium IV has gotten much more attractive lately... >>



Well, what's best for my buck IS a company that stands behind their product. A product with no warranty is not a product that is best for my buck OR one that offers the best performance.

Sorry, I figured that was a given... >>



Sorry, I guess I didn't communicate clearly. What I meant was that buying stuff that is cheaper that does the same thing, or the same price that does more makes sence if the company stands behind their products. I didn't mean, I buy whatever is the best on paper and thats it....
 


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<< Rambus's Management may be evil, but the people that work for them are not.

I don't believe in:

<< I buy what is the best for my buck, or offers the best performance. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the company's values, so long as I get my money's worth. That's their problem. >>



You gotta support your products etc. A crappy company won't do that. But as for that idea in general, it is sound.

Rambus will learn from its mistakes, and if it offers better preformance for about the same amount of money, I'd go with that.

The Pentium IV has gotten much more attractive lately... >>



Well, what's best for my buck IS a company that stands behind their product. A product with no warranty is not a product that is best for my buck OR one that offers the best performance.

Sorry, I figured that was a given... >>



Sorry, I guess I didn't communicate clearly. What I meant was that buying stuff that is cheaper that does the same thing, or the same price that does more makes sence if the company stands behind their products. I didn't mean, I buy whatever is the best on paper and thats it.... >>



I know. I'm agreeing with you.
 
Let's quote everything anybody's ever said!

Rambus starts to lose, so the crusade is won. Why continue fighting a war so vehemently when all that's needed is a little upkeep hatred? 🙂

Until the company starts to do things ethically and has a product that outperforms the competitors in an obvious way (other than in CERTAIN benchmarks under CERTAIN conditions) and of course is competitive price/performance-wise, I won't use their product, and I'll push others to stay away from it. While I do want what's best for me in terms of cost, performance, support, et cetera, I also don't want to support activities and behavior that I find unethical. Buying Rambus stock or RDRAM is a way of saying you don't care how things happen, as long as they benefit you in the short term.

The main reason we don't absolutely hate Rambus anymore (aside from my second line above) is because the price has gone down and performance has gone up. The PIII just didn't need Rambus so it didn't help much. The P4 greatly benefits from it. So a P4 with Rambus looks quite good in comparison to DDR. The original hatred of Rambus was due to the price, the lack of performance gains for that price, and the fact that Intel was shoving it down users' throats. That was all before the legal events which showed the fact that Rambus really didn't want to depend on their own technology to make money. Those 3 factors have all now been mitigated, and Rambus is losing legally on everything else.
 


<< I'm a capitalist. If a product is good, I'll buy it. If it's not, I wont. It's that simple. >>



Way to suck the life out of a thread by being logical Amused 😀
 


<< I buy what is the best for my buck, or offers the best performance. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the company's values, so long as I get my money's worth. That's their problem. >>



I have to agree with you on that. RDRAM is the best memory for a P4 and I have a P4 so I buy RDRAM.
 
Anyone notice that RAMBUS (the product) in now priced comparatively to DDR? Sadly (for us DDR folks), that line is blurring by the day.

RAMBUS (the company) still irks me with their profit-by-litigation tactics of old.

-SUO
 
If the man/company that invented the flushing toilet was a /jerk/fiend/sue happy idiot, would you sh!t in the yard? Of course not.

Boycotting a technology because you don't like the inventer is a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 


<< If the man/company that invented the flushing toilet was a /jerk/fiend/sue happy idiot, would you sh!t in the yard? Of course not. >>



Correct. And remember that Rambus doesn't actually make the RDRAM. If you don't buy RDRAM you are hurting the memory manufacturers much more than you are hurting Rambus.
 
but rambus gets a chunk of your money everytime you buy some, they don't have to spend anything to make money.
 


<< but rambus gets a chunk of your money everytime you buy some, they don't have to spend anything to make money. >>



No, they spent all their money beforehand on R&D. The money they make now is called "return on investments."
 


<< If a product is good, I'll buy it. If it's not, I wont. It's that simple. >>

That's basicaly my thoughts too.

<< why don't we hate rambus? >>

I do dislike Rambus the company, but just because I don't like the company's tactics doesn't mean I won't buy their products. Plus, RDRAM is good stuff now for the P4 (unlike the joke it was for the P3)and it definately has a future ahead of it, but DDR does too. Both DDR and RDRAM can co-exist in the market and really, I think RDRAM is the best ram for the P4, and really that's all I recommend, but however, RDRAM is at the moment too high latency wise and it provides more bandwidth than the athlon can use so that's where DDR fits in.
 


<< If a product is good, I'll buy it. If it's not, I wont. It's that simple. >>



time to get those Nazi human skin lamp shades. 😉
 
<<No, they spent all their money beforehand on R&D. The money they make now is called "return on investments." >>

Amused has the right idea. The name of the game is profits. And if you think it's unfair sometimes, well, welcome to the world of business. Sure, the world would be a much happier place if every mom-and-pop shop could survive, and eveyrone in the world shared their profits with their competitors. But, much like life itself, it is a very cut-throat environment, and "survival of the fittest" at its best. If a company didn't have a good product to stand behind, they'll go out of business. But if they have something that the public wants, then they have the upper hand to make demands for their product. That is, until someone else can develop a product to turn everyone's attention in a different direction (DDR).

Like Amused said, it's simple. If the product is good, I'll buy it. If it's too expensive, I won't.
 
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