There are no ratings available for the 05 Mustang yet.
A buddy here at work has an 05 GT (without the interior upgrade package), while it's nothing special inside it's better than the 2000 he had previously (IMO).
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There are no ratings available for the 05 Mustang yet.
A buddy here at work has an 05 GT (without the interior upgrade package), while it's nothing special inside it's better than the 2000 he had previously (IMO).
Viper GTS
what about price? I thought the GTO was 30k+?
So, will we see the return of the F-body any time soon? ( or something else new from detriot?)
There are pretty heavy incentives being offered on the GTO, it is more expensive than the Mustang but not terribly so. It also gives a lot more, LS1 (LS2 in the 05), independant rear suspension, etc. My coworker cross-shopped the GTO & the 05 Mustang, but ended up going with the Mustang (his second 'Stang).
There was some talk of a new Camaro/Firebird, but I haven't heard anything lately.
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iamwiz82
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Camaro is going to make a comeback. A GTO is pretty closely priced to a Mustang GT, a little higher, but with all of the incentives, it is about neck and neck. I'd seriously consider leasing one as a daily driver, if it weren't for the mileage I put on. $229 a month is just too good to pass up, even if it is a lease.
Doesn't seem that way. Pontiac had a chance to revive the Firebird moniker with the GTO but they decided to go in a different direction. And GTO sales are dismal.
My parents owned two Trans Ams, a late 80?s edition and an early 90?s one. I rather liked them. Were they efficient? Frig no, huge exteriors and a tiny 2+2 interior. Huge steam roller tires with lots of tire roar and a snorting V-8 with poor fuel efficiency. But, you hit the gas and that torque would churn the road. Yeah, it stuck to the pavement like glue, as long as the road was flat anyway, otherwise the rear end would step out and your kidneys would get a massage. In the end, they could never attract enough buyers to the Camaro and Firebird to match Ford and it was time to ditch the design. I?m not sure if they could ever be revived. SUVs and sedans are what sell now. Even the sport coupe market is all but gone with the Celica bowing out and Eclipse sales in the tank.
Thanks to the internet, most men can now "grow at least two full inches" and don't need a Mustang or Corvette anymore! :laugh:
TheLonelyPhoenix
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American sports cars always seemed to me to be a different kind of car entirely from a Japanese or German one. American sports cars focused on pure muscle power and displacement, while German cars were more concerned with the overall ride and Japanese cars with more of an emphasis on reliabiliy, longevity, and practicality.
I mean, how soon do you guys expect to see BMW roll out a fiberglass body, or Nissan showcase a V10 truck engine into their high preformance cars? Or maybe Ford bringing out a new 4-door Mustang with a front-middle engine that can comfortably seat more than 2 people? It just doesn't happen that way.
Of course, this is just my way of looking at it.
I mean, how soon do you guys expect to see BMW roll out a fiberglass body, or Nissan showcase a V10 truck engine into their high preformance cars? Or maybe Ford bringing out a new 4-door Mustang with a front-middle engine that can comfortably seat more than 2 people? It just doesn't happen that way.
Of course, this is just my way of looking at it.
See Sig.
Mustang GT's, Firebirds, Camaro (not SS), RX-8, 350Z, Supra, RX-7... All not considered competition to me... and my car is stock...
Mustang GT's, Firebirds, Camaro (not SS), RX-8, 350Z, Supra, RX-7... All not considered competition to me... and my car is stock...
talking more about sales competition, not so much performance competition. The SRT-4 is a nice car, pretty fast, but the people who buy those are the same ones buying the civic si, WRX, nissan se-r... etc.. The srt-4 is definetly the leader of the pack of the cheap performance compacts go.... can't beat the bang for the buck.
FWD < RWD therefor a mustang has to be > RSX-S. The RSX competes against other fwd compacts not the mustang.
i think the comparison to the z06 has always been with the viper.
with the new z06 debuting next year i think this comparison will be more applicable (esp since the price & performance of the z will be much closer to the viper).
nothing beats my z06. hahahaha
with the new z06 debuting next year i think this comparison will be more applicable (esp since the price & performance of the z will be much closer to the viper).
nothing beats my z06. hahahaha
TheLonelyPhoenix
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the Sales are not dismal just the morons at Pontiac sent over 50% of the cars to the northern states like that press release said...
we have peeps on waiting lists down here for the damn car...
paying 10k over sticker to get one..
Ive seen 2 in Houston I met one girl at Metallica concert that was driving one and she said she waited 8 months to get hers and payed premium for it and the dealer wasnt expecting hardly anymore..
If Pontiac would learn where the Muscle car market is.. down here in the South Mustangs Corvettes firebirds galore driven year round and peeps trying to buy GTOs but they are all up north..
they would have a solid product.
If they wanna have something that'll sell like wildfire, and be a good car, bring back the 2 door RWD Corolla with a turbocharged engine.
3chordcharlie
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Mustangs aren't about sophistication - they're about the American pony-car tradition.
Cheap, reliable, with some go.
350z and all it's defunct brothers were about the asian/european sports-car tradition. More expensive, sophisticated, better handling, usually slower in a straight line.
The competition isn't direct - if you want a tight track-car, you would need to spend every penny the mustang saved you on suspension upgrades; if you want a fun car for the street (read: fun without needing to risk your license just to enjoy the suspension setup) then the mustang and former camaro-nird are great choices.
They 'might' compete for some of the same buyers, but they aren't really in the same market segment.
As for corvettes, I don't think anything on the road competes with them, though I don't know why no one seem to make a 2-door that can hang with the 'vette for less than double its price. I guess it's the same pony-car thing though - the interior of a ferrari/lotus etc might be worth 10-20 grand more than the one in a 'vette in materials cost alone.
Cheap, reliable, with some go.
350z and all it's defunct brothers were about the asian/european sports-car tradition. More expensive, sophisticated, better handling, usually slower in a straight line.
The competition isn't direct - if you want a tight track-car, you would need to spend every penny the mustang saved you on suspension upgrades; if you want a fun car for the street (read: fun without needing to risk your license just to enjoy the suspension setup) then the mustang and former camaro-nird are great choices.
They 'might' compete for some of the same buyers, but they aren't really in the same market segment.
As for corvettes, I don't think anything on the road competes with them, though I don't know why no one seem to make a 2-door that can hang with the 'vette for less than double its price. I guess it's the same pony-car thing though - the interior of a ferrari/lotus etc might be worth 10-20 grand more than the one in a 'vette in materials cost alone.
Insurance on any of those V8 cars is going to be a b!tch for those who can afford them. I would think the insurance problem would knock more than half of the potential customers (young, single males) off the list.
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