WHy don't the mustang or Corvette have any real competition?

[Rallispec]

Seems like it could be a very profitable market - yet ford is the only company I can think of that really has a cheap sports car. (300hp / rwd / 25k )


(on a wierd note - edmunds.com lists the competitors as the Stratus, 350z, grand am, Tc, and Solara - the only one I think is even close is the 350- which will cost several thousand more than the ford)


The same thing goes for the Corvette - the closest I can think of is the M3 and the viper. I dont see the M3 and vette directly competeting though, as they target totally different customers. And the viper cost nearly double. Seems like another market waiting for some competition.





Am I missing something here?

 

[AmigaMan]

I just wish Toyota would bring back the Supra. They need something to compete against the 350z. It would probably stand up well against the mustang as well, but then again, it would cost a lot more.

 

[rh71]

if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

You said it - cheap sports car... all go and no flow.

 

[zixxer]

supras never impressed me.

The newest ones looked way too american. The old ones always looked outdated.. and $$$

 

[K1052]

GM discontinued the Camaro/Firebird.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

Most people are not dash strokers.

 

[geno]

The closest cars I can think of are the 350Z, RX-8, and maybe the WRX (it's a stretch). Many of the Mustang's sales are from the non GT models, that's what keeps the car alive. So if anyone wanted to make a run at the Mustang in terms of sales, they'd need to cover the "low performance, high looks" ground too.

The Corvette used to have much more competition (300ZX, Supra, RX-7, all turbo versions of course) but we all know what happened to those.

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

Most people are not dash strokers.

Especially in the case of the Mustang: that interior has always been panned.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

You said it - cheap sports car... all go and no flow.

The interior on the Z is nothing to brag about

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

Most people are not dash strokers.

Especially in the case of the Mustang: that interior has always been panned.

Did I not answer the question ?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

You said it - cheap sports car... all go and no flow.

the 350z was widely criticized when it came out for its crappy interior

also the z has a bone jarring ride and looks really crappy as a convertible.

as for reliability, mustangs have traditionally been very reliable.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

You said it - cheap sports car... all go and no flow.

the 350z was widely criticized when it came out for its crappy interior

also the z has a bone jarring ride and looks really crappy as a convertible.

as for reliability, mustangs have traditionally been very reliable.

so why do you think there is a price difference between the 350z and the 2005 Mustang ?

 

[TheAudit]

The Mustang had direct competition: the F-Cars, rear wheel drive American Muscle. The Mustang did not beat them in performance but trounced them in sales.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

You said it - cheap sports car... all go and no flow.

the 350z was widely criticized when it came out for its crappy interior

also the z has a bone jarring ride and looks really crappy as a convertible.

as for reliability, mustangs have traditionally been very reliable.

so why do you think there is a price difference between the 350z and the 2005 Mustang ?

Because it has more gadgets, and Nissan knows it can get people to pay high prices because "Local Import Racers" magazine said you must have it.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

You said it - cheap sports car... all go and no flow.

http://www.jdpower.com/auto/jd...tings/FindJdAwards.jsp

Using that:

http://www.ttugly.com/images/a...tech/mustangvs350z.jpg

Viper GTS

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: rh71
so why do you think there is a price difference between the 350z and the 2005 Mustang ?

Because it has more gadgets, and Nissan knows it can get people to pay high prices because "Local Import Racers" magazine said you must have it.

So you can sight gadgets but you can't sight the rest of the interior ?

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

Most people are not dash strokers.

Especially in the case of the Mustang: that interior has always been panned.

Did I not answer the question ?

Why did you quote me?

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: TheAudit
The Mustang had direct competition: the F-Cars, rear wheel drive American Muscle. The Mustang did not beat them in performance but trounced them in sales.

The mustang was thoroughly slaughtered by the F-Body in performance, it's unfortunate that GM couldn't get them to sell.

Viper GTS

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: TheAudit
The Mustang had direct competition: the F-Cars, rear wheel drive American Muscle. The Mustang did not beat them in performance but trounced them in sales.

If GM, god forbid, actually pulled their heads out of their asses they would realize that the same retro styling that Ford is sucessfully exploiting for the Mustang could work for a new Camaro. But, hell they have already managed to wash Chevrolet's cars right down the crapper quality/design wise.

I blame the poor styling choices and too high base price in the 4th gen f-bodys for the failure of the cars to sell.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: rh71
so why do you think there is a price difference between the 350z and the 2005 Mustang ?

Because it has more gadgets, and Nissan knows it can get people to pay high prices because "Local Import Racers" magazine said you must have it.

So you can sight gadgets but you can't sight the rest of the interior ?

Because interior means practically nothing to me. If a car has other qualities which are good, why would I care if the air vent is shaped like a cucumber or the steering wheel had 22 spokes?

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Rallispec
Seems like it could be a very profitable market - yet ford is the only company I can think of that really has a cheap sports car. (300hp / rwd / 25k )


(on a wierd note - edmunds.com lists the competitors as the Stratus, 350z, grand am, Tc, and Solara - the only one I think is even close is the 350- which will cost several thousand more than the ford)


The same thing goes for the Corvette - the closest I can think of is the M3 and the viper. I dont see the M3 and vette directly competeting though, as they target totally different customers. And the viper cost nearly double. Seems like another market waiting for some competition.





Am I missing something here?

GTO is competivie with the stang at 400hp

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: rh71
if you want to know why the price difference, at least the 350z has the reliability (come on, it's going against Ford) and better interior.

You said it - cheap sports car... all go and no flow.

http://www.jdpower.com/auto/jd...tings/FindJdAwards.jsp

Using that:

http://www.ttugly.com/images/a...tech/mustangvs350z.jpg

Viper GTS

I thought they re-designed the 2005 mustang ? I dunno, but the interior of the 2005 mustang is what I saw...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rh71
so why do you think there is a price difference between the 350z and the 2005 Mustang ?

there are more factors determining price than just cost.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: rh71
so why do you think there is a price difference between the 350z and the 2005 Mustang ?

Because it has more gadgets, and Nissan knows it can get people to pay high prices because "Local Import Racers" magazine said you must have it.

So you can sight gadgets but you can't sight the rest of the interior ?

Because interior means practically nothing to me. If a car has other qualities which are good, why would I care if the air vent is shaped like a cucumber or the steering wheel had 22 spokes?

What you like has nothing to do with how they price it. It's what's available.

 

[biostud]

Give me a lotus exige any day