why dont other countries get it?

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: HOWITIS

3) America is the most patriotic state in the world

patriotism is taught in schools. the "founding fathers" are all but dietys here. i personally do not know anyone who doubts that ameria is the best country in the world. it is a fact. unquestioned. to even question this "fact" in america is to discredit yourself. this goes back to point #1 as well. bush didnt take any hit from "going it alone" americans generally do not like the french, germans, and certainly not the russians. so believe it or not. excepet for democrat hard liners and the liberal left, no one is really worried about rather they like us or not. in fact, i would venture to say that kerry's plan of increased alliances is one of the reasons americans didnt trust him to run the war on terror. because americans dont trust the rest of the world. and alliances in general.

Are you kidding me? There are plenty more patriotic countries in the world than the USA. Russia for one. If you ever insult a Russian on his country, he'll rip your arms off in two seconds, then sell them on the black market. People in the USA have almost no patriotism compared to many countries in the world.

Man do you have a disillusioned idea of patriotism.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: ciba

Americans aren't any more religious than europeans. The only difference is that our higher power isn't government.

Really? I'd say you're the closest thing to Iran the West has to offer. Among Western democracies, there's no other country that puts so much emphasis on God.... I haven't seen this much Christian fanaticism even among the Russian muzhiks and the poor population of Italy...

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: kazeakuma

Originally posted by: assemblage

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
ndtz you are dead wrong. Americans, at least those that voted for Bush, are definitely "chickenhawks". They want the enemy to be crushed, but they are unwilling to fight the war themselves.

Wrong

"To say that you didn't want this Iraq war or that Bush didn't want it is complete BS. " Wrong again. Saddam's actions created this conflict.

Bull, Bush's actions created the Iraq conflict. We all know Saddam was a tyrant, but to say he caused the Iraq conflict is utter BS

if a country is too weak to defend itself, you can basically say anything about it. The strong always win, the weak always lose... but whatever, this is world domination we're talking about here. in life, their is always a world conflict of control and power. All wants to rule the world, the biggest loser are those who want peace without war. There is no such thing as peace in life, you either earn it or crawl back into your hole and die peacefully. The people are always being brought to the bidding of the leader through bs propaganda and too many lies that even a 5 yr old would be a little suspicious if he or she would think out of the crowd.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: HOWITIS

3) America is the most patriotic state in the world

patriotism is taught in schools. the "founding fathers" are all but dietys here. i personally do not know anyone who doubts that ameria is the best country in the world. it is a fact. unquestioned. to even question this "fact" in america is to discredit yourself. this goes back to point #1 as well. bush didnt take any hit from "going it alone" americans generally do not like the french, germans, and certainly not the russians. so believe it or not. excepet for democrat hard liners and the liberal left, no one is really worried about rather they like us or not. in fact, i would venture to say that kerry's plan of increased alliances is one of the reasons americans didnt trust him to run the war on terror. because americans dont trust the rest of the world. and alliances in general.

Are you kidding me? There are plenty more patriotic countries in the world than the USA. Russia for one. If you ever insult a Russian on his country, he'll rip your arms off in two seconds, then sell them on the black market. People in the USA have almost no patriotism compared to many countries in the world.

Yeah, BUT they don't FLAUNT patriotism like Americans do... you're so demonstrative and "in your face", even when the manifestations are ridiculous by any other standards... Stalin, Brezhnev and Khruschev woul've died of envy seeing how brainwashed American kids are about the greatness of their country and their leaders.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: HOWITIS

3) America is the most patriotic state in the world

patriotism is taught in schools. the "founding fathers" are all but dietys here. i personally do not know anyone who doubts that ameria is the best country in the world. it is a fact. unquestioned. to even question this "fact" in america is to discredit yourself. this goes back to point #1 as well. bush didnt take any hit from "going it alone" americans generally do not like the french, germans, and certainly not the russians. so believe it or not. excepet for democrat hard liners and the liberal left, no one is really worried about rather they like us or not. in fact, i would venture to say that kerry's plan of increased alliances is one of the reasons americans didnt trust him to run the war on terror. because americans dont trust the rest of the world. and alliances in general.

Are you kidding me? There are plenty more patriotic countries in the world than the USA. Russia for one. If you ever insult a Russian on his country, he'll rip your arms off in two seconds, then sell them on the black market. People in the USA have almost no patriotism compared to many countries in the world.

Yeah, BUT they don't FLAUNT patriotism like Americans do... you're so demonstrative and "in your face", even when the manifestations are ridiculous by any other standards... Stalin, Brezhnev and Khruschev woul've died of envy seeing how brainwashed American kids are about the greatness of their country and their leaders.

brainwashed? Last i checked we ARE the most powerful nation on earth...Does anyone actually dispute that?

 

[flexy]

My only hope for the Dems. in 2008 is to field a candidate that Democrats are excited to vote for.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY !

 

[Strk]

I still don't get how we're the most patriotic country in the world.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: HOWITIS

3) America is the most patriotic state in the world

patriotism is taught in schools. the "founding fathers" are all but dietys here. i personally do not know anyone who doubts that ameria is the best country in the world. it is a fact. unquestioned. to even question this "fact" in america is to discredit yourself. this goes back to point #1 as well. bush didnt take any hit from "going it alone" americans generally do not like the french, germans, and certainly not the russians. so believe it or not. excepet for democrat hard liners and the liberal left, no one is really worried about rather they like us or not. in fact, i would venture to say that kerry's plan of increased alliances is one of the reasons americans didnt trust him to run the war on terror. because americans dont trust the rest of the world. and alliances in general.

Are you kidding me? There are plenty more patriotic countries in the world than the USA. Russia for one. If you ever insult a Russian on his country, he'll rip your arms off in two seconds, then sell them on the black market. People in the USA have almost no patriotism compared to many countries in the world.

Yeah, BUT they don't FLAUNT patriotism like Americans do... you're so demonstrative and "in your face", even when the manifestations are ridiculous by any other standards... Stalin, Brezhnev and Khruschev woul've died of envy seeing how brainwashed American kids are about the greatness of their country and their leaders.

brainwashed? Last i checked we ARE the most powerful nation on earth...Does anyone actually dispute that?

yeah, me...in Asia you can get faster internet

Edit: Of course this depends on your point of view. If you define "powerful" as "power as in 'military power' - then YES.

But...there are MORE things in life than "military power" - and, honestly, i give a sh*te about "military power" when other things are NOT that great.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Yeah, BUT they don't FLAUNT patriotism like Americans do... you're so demonstrative and "in your face", even when the manifestations are ridiculous by any other standards... Stalin, Brezhnev and Khruschev woul've died of envy seeing how brainwashed American kids are about the greatness of their country and their leaders.

brainwashed? Last i checked we ARE the most powerful nation on earth...Does anyone actually dispute that?

See, this is why you can't try to understand the foreign position. Whereas we know we're the greatest country on earth, others aren't so convinced. So we're looking at things from two very different perspectives. We elect leaders for very different reasons than other countries.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: ciba

Americans aren't any more religious than europeans. The only difference is that our higher power isn't government.

Really? I'd say you're the closest thing to Iran the West has to offer. Among Western democracies, there's no other country that puts so much emphasis on God.... I haven't seen this much Christian fanaticism even among the Russian muzhiks and the poor population of Italy...

Ever been to Ireland?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Strk
I still don't get how we're the most patriotic country in the world.

Well, we're the most angrily patriotic country in the world. You never see bumper stickers saying, "Belgium. Love it or Leave it."

 

[AnitaPeterson]

LOL, I forgot Ireland! ... and probably Poland, too!

Although Poland at least has an excuse to be so devoutly Catholic, since it was the only thing that kept the country united throughout the last seven centuries or so.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
LOL, I forgot Ireland! ... and probably Poland, too!

Although Poland at least has an excuse to be so devoutly Catholic, since it was the only thing that kept the country united throughout the last seven centuries or so.

:thumbsup:

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Bush's whole attitude toward the UN I imagine.

:thumbsup:
HOWITIS,
Iraq and giving the UN the finger. Yup. My question to you. How could any American think world opinion of Bush was good? Is that some sort of joke or are you reall that stupid?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: HOWITIS
i see a bunch of responses from people from other countries asking how could we possibly re-elect bush after what he has done. i want to ask a serius question, what is the worst thing he has done, and keep some things in mind.


1) Americans love war

this may be hard to see from a european point of veiw, but americans rarley see a war it doesn't like, things have to be going, really, really, really, bad just to not help a president. the iraqi war hurt bush but only a little. americans dislike some of the things that are happening in iraq, but americans still love killing people.



2) america is an extremly religous and conservative country


by western standards that is. the majority of americans consider themselves christian. and there is a high portion of extremly religous zealots here. this has ALWAYS been the case. it is nothing new. what IS new is that the religous seem to be bolting the democratic party for the rebublican party at a very fast rate. it all started with reagan when he began to moralize politics. i spoke with my aunt who said she liked kerry better, but she couldn't vote for someone who was pro-abortion so she had no choice. The south used to be almost 100% democratic. but it is also the most religous part of the country. starting in the 60s the democrats increasingly began to move away from religon, with many canidates having a distain for religon's high roll in southern/midwest politics. it is the democrats own fault for abandoning the religous speak as soley for republicans that they have lost the south.



3) America is the most patriotic state in the world

patriotism is taught in schools. the "founding fathers" are all but dietys here. i personally do not know anyone who doubts that ameria is the best country in the world. it is a fact. unquestioned. to even question this "fact" in america is to discredit yourself. this goes back to point #1 as well. bush didnt take any hit from "going it alone" americans generally do not like the french, germans, and certainly not the russians. so believe it or not. excepet for democrat hard liners and the liberal left, no one is really worried about rather they like us or not. in fact, i would venture to say that kerry's plan of increased alliances is one of the reasons americans didnt trust him to run the war on terror. because americans dont trust the rest of the world. and alliances in general.



so given these 3 points, why is it hard at all to believe?

WE simply refuse to believe people as being this stupid. Something this forum has learned me to accept. You wouldn't believe the shock i got the first times i was here, i thought people were joking.

Funny how these stupid people have the greatest country on the planet.

hahhahaha, not the US. Google it if you don't believe me.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
LOL, I forgot Ireland! ... and probably Poland, too!

Although Poland at least has an excuse to be so devoutly Catholic, since it was the only thing that kept the country united throughout the last seven centuries or so.

I'm in Amsterdam right now for a month on business. You libs would love it here. No moral persuasion at all. Prostitution and pot are legal. It's a liberal's playground!

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: HOWITIS

1) Nazi Germany love war

[...]

2) Nazi Germany is an extremly religous and conservative country

[...]

3) Nazi Germany is the most patriotic state in the world

[...]

so given these 3 points, why is it hard at all to believe?

see any parallels ?

Also...i want to point out the extremely comparable "morales" eg. of current America and former Nazi Germany under Hitler:

Hitler also had many "morales" and claimed certain actions as supported by God and the church. Hitler also FOR SURE would not have supported "gay marriage" because it would've been against the religioun/morales.

The funny thing is....that ANYONE would get in hell arguing that Nazi Germany was right with YOUR points (eg. patriotism, love of war, religion)...

But the same arguments seem to support and LEGITIMATE actions TODAY, here, in the states. Ever wonder....or came up with the same comparison ?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: HOWITIS
i see a bunch of responses from people from other countries asking how could we possibly re-elect bush after what he has done. i want to ask a serius question, what is the worst thing he has done, and keep some things in mind.


1) Americans love war

this may be hard to see from a european point of veiw, but americans rarley see a war it doesn't like, things have to be going, really, really, really, bad just to not help a president. the iraqi war hurt bush but only a little. americans dislike some of the things that are happening in iraq, but americans still love killing people.



2) america is an extremly religous and conservative country


by western standards that is. the majority of americans consider themselves christian. and there is a high portion of extremly religous zealots here. this has ALWAYS been the case. it is nothing new. what IS new is that the religous seem to be bolting the democratic party for the rebublican party at a very fast rate. it all started with reagan when he began to moralize politics. i spoke with my aunt who said she liked kerry better, but she couldn't vote for someone who was pro-abortion so she had no choice. The south used to be almost 100% democratic. but it is also the most religous part of the country. starting in the 60s the democrats increasingly began to move away from religon, with many canidates having a distain for religon's high roll in southern/midwest politics. it is the democrats own fault for abandoning the religous speak as soley for republicans that they have lost the south.



3) America is the most patriotic state in the world

patriotism is taught in schools. the "founding fathers" are all but dietys here. i personally do not know anyone who doubts that ameria is the best country in the world. it is a fact. unquestioned. to even question this "fact" in america is to discredit yourself. this goes back to point #1 as well. bush didnt take any hit from "going it alone" americans generally do not like the french, germans, and certainly not the russians. so believe it or not. excepet for democrat hard liners and the liberal left, no one is really worried about rather they like us or not. in fact, i would venture to say that kerry's plan of increased alliances is one of the reasons americans didnt trust him to run the war on terror. because americans dont trust the rest of the world. and alliances in general.



so given these 3 points, why is it hard at all to believe?

WE simply refuse to believe people as being this stupid. Something this forum has learned me to accept. You wouldn't believe the shock i got the first times i was here, i thought people were joking.

Funny how these stupid people have the greatest country on the planet.

Heh, the best country? I know many countries my friend, yours is absolutely not what i would define as even a good country...

 

[Pepsei]

3. Just like North Korea and Iraq. But I guess in their case, they were brain-washed/decieved to love their country.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
LOL, I forgot Ireland! ... and probably Poland, too!

Although Poland at least has an excuse to be so devoutly Catholic, since it was the only thing that kept the country united throughout the last seven centuries or so.

I'm in Amsterdam right now for a month on business. You libs would love it here. No moral persuasion at all. Prostitution and pot are legal. It's a liberal's playground!

:jealous;

Been there before, years ago. Can't wait to go back for another visit. Great place.

 

[HOWITIS]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Bush's whole attitude toward the UN I imagine.

:thumbsup:
HOWITIS,
Iraq and giving the UN the finger. Yup. My question to you. How could any American think world opinion of Bush was good? Is that some sort of joke or are you reall that stupid?

my post had nothing to do with thinking world opinion of bush was good. my post was toward those who were shocked by the results as i clearly stated.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: HOWITIS

3) America is the most patriotic state in the world

patriotism is taught in schools. the "founding fathers" are all but dietys here. i personally do not know anyone who doubts that ameria is the best country in the world. it is a fact. unquestioned. to even question this "fact" in america is to discredit yourself. this goes back to point #1 as well. bush didnt take any hit from "going it alone" americans generally do not like the french, germans, and certainly not the russians. so believe it or not. excepet for democrat hard liners and the liberal left, no one is really worried about rather they like us or not. in fact, i would venture to say that kerry's plan of increased alliances is one of the reasons americans didnt trust him to run the war on terror. because americans dont trust the rest of the world. and alliances in general.

Are you kidding me? There are plenty more patriotic countries in the world than the USA. Russia for one. If you ever insult a Russian on his country, he'll rip your arms off in two seconds, then sell them on the black market. People in the USA have almost no patriotism compared to many countries in the world.

I would put down Canada as more patriotic than the US. However their brand of patriotism is a little different..it's more of a 'We aren't the US but we must talk about the US all of the time because we're obsessed with it - btw Canada is only better than the US' type of talk.

 

[CanOWorms]

I view how Europeans are feeling similar to how people feel about how the hell some politicians in Europe get elected. For example, a party that has slogans such as "The Swiss are becoming Negroes" winning the most votes is incredibly strange, just like Bush somehow winning must be strange to others.

 

[flexy]

I'm in Amsterdam right now for a month on business. You libs would love it here. No moral persuasion at all. Prostitution and pot are legal. It's a liberal's playground!

i am always amazed why/how poeple see 'being liberal' as something bad....i used to live in Europe too and know what i am talking about.

I absolutely cannot SEE that the more restrictive/moralistic gvt/society/media here (US) is BETTER..nor can i see any benefits from it.
Abolutely NOT.
Truth is, that a more liberal society equals a higher living standard. And maybe people in the Netherlands or certain other W. European countries are FAR more "free" than what people here in the US *think* they are.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
as an European I stopped caring about the USA election

as long as I have my 30 days of paid vacation I really don't giving a flying f*ck anymore that you re-elected Dumbo

have a nice vacation in Iraq!!!

hey, who says that Americans are the only greedy bastards out there.