Why don't more of our armed forces use silencers?
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So they don't as easily give away their position. So the enemy is down before they even realize there's a fight.
Accuracy goes to hell. Sure...if you are sent in covert in a small team for a specific target...say someone holed up in a house or something...they might use them for infiltration....but generally not.
Accuracy can actually improve slightly with some models of suppressors. The SPR is sometimes used with a suppressor with no affect on accuracy.
Use of suppressor usually makes it much harder for the person being fired at to determine where the shot is coming from.
Suppressors are a bit of a trade-off for CQB, greatly decreases hearing damage and concussion in an enclosed area, and can help improve SA (Situational Awareness) and communication among team memebers, but the increased length is a hindrance. Shooting a short barrled carbine in an enclosed area must be experienced in person to truly appreciate how deafining it is...
Suppressors are part of the SOPMOD kit for the M-4, but think they are issued one suppressor for every 4 rifles or something like that. They are seeing increased use within SOCCOM. Most suppressors don't hold up well to being used with an automatic weapon, and can degrade quickly.
Use of suppressor usually makes it much harder for the person being fired at to determine where the shot is coming from.
Suppressors are a bit of a trade-off for CQB, greatly decreases hearing damage and concussion in an enclosed area, and can help improve SA (Situational Awareness) and communication among team memebers, but the increased length is a hindrance. Shooting a short barrled carbine in an enclosed area must be experienced in person to truly appreciate how deafining it is...
Suppressors are part of the SOPMOD kit for the M-4, but think they are issued one suppressor for every 4 rifles or something like that. They are seeing increased use within SOCCOM. Most suppressors don't hold up well to being used with an automatic weapon, and can degrade quickly.
Squad sees a group of enemies unaware of their presence. Squad picks them off. Confusion sets in because no one knows where the shots are coming from. Much safer for the squad because enemy doesn't know where they're at.
Squad gets in a situation with heavy resistance. Two groups go out on sides to flank and wittle away silently at the enemy as they are focused on the main group. Much safer for the ones doing the flanking.
Squad infiltrates. Instead of gunshots that give away the infiltration they go in quietly and pick people off as they see them. It's not so run-and-gun. Unsuppressed guns would give away the position of the squad to enemies in the whole building, including ones on different floors, ones that are sleeping, ones outside.
Squad gets in a situation with heavy resistance. Two groups go out on sides to flank and wittle away silently at the enemy as they are focused on the main group. Much safer for the ones doing the flanking.
Squad infiltrates. Instead of gunshots that give away the infiltration they go in quietly and pick people off as they see them. It's not so run-and-gun. Unsuppressed guns would give away the position of the squad to enemies in the whole building, including ones on different floors, ones that are sleeping, ones outside.
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This all sounds way too video-game inspired. The situations where suppressors would be benefitial are really limited to special ops, which is where they're already used. Air/armor/artillary support are cornerstones to modern combat. "Picking enemies off" isn't as easy as a mouse click. It takes serious marksmanship to hit your target at a long distance, which a suppressor would detract from. Also, tracers are used for a reason, and the heavy machine gun couldn't be silenced, so there goes your suppressive fire for a flanking maneuver.
Can you give me specific situations where special ops would use them?
How should I rephrase "picking enemies off"? "shoot at them" I suppose?
Suppressive fire from a machine gun isn't meant to be silenced, so that's a moot point. All I meant was that the flankers are silenced while the main unit is unsilenced.
another reason why not: silencers reduce muzzle velocity. this could make the weapon almost useless against body armours at longer ranges, thereby actually INCREASING the risk for the soldier
1) They're expensive
2) They don't hold up well under constant use, thus becoming even MORE expensive
3) They add weight
4) They decrease accuracy most of the time
5) It's one more fscking part to fsck up.
6) Frankly, unless you're special operations, your enemy knows you're there anyway
2) They don't hold up well under constant use, thus becoming even MORE expensive
3) They add weight
4) They decrease accuracy most of the time
5) It's one more fscking part to fsck up.
6) Frankly, unless you're special operations, your enemy knows you're there anyway
Depends on the construction of the suppressor. If its a built in suppressor thats part of the barrel, it will bleed off gas before the projectile reaches it potential velocity, but if its a can that attaches to the end of the barrel as typically seen, it generally doesn't effect velocity, only controls the expansion of gas after the projectile exits the barrel.
Cost for one. Suppressors are fairly expensive, and some wear down so they need to be replaced after a number of rounds. Also, as Feldenak pointed out, supressors are generally used with subsonic ammunition, which is also more expensive.
Two, the scenario you described isn't what the majority of the military sees. Generally, our military doesn't attack first. The scene you described is more along the lines of special operations, etc. and those groups often have suppressors.
Two, the scenario you described isn't what the majority of the military sees. Generally, our military doesn't attack first. The scene you described is more along the lines of special operations, etc. and those groups often have suppressors.
Just because someone makes one for that gun doesn't mean that it works good for that application. It just means that there's a dollar to be made by doing it. A supersonic bullet will still make a loud noise, even if the gun has a suppressor.
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