Why don't boy scouts do any scouting?

[Walleye]

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

the kids just want to go camping.

That's really all there is to it. The other stuff is political/administrative nonsense.

aggreed. but i'd say more political nonsense 😛

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: ScottyB
They also discriminate against gays and athiests.

so does allah.

But allah is imaginary, boy scouts are semi-real.

 

[AndrewNF]

I was a member of Scouts Canada for many years, there's no discrimination against gays or atheists. The Boy Scouts of America can disciminate against anyone they want, but I'm much prouder to have been involved with a group that doesn't.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ScottyB
They also discriminate against gays and athiests.

And since they are a private organization they have every right to choose who they allow to join.....GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!

In other words, they have a right to discriminate against gays and athiests.. They may have the right but we have the right to not approve or appreciate their agenda.. And I'd seriously be miffed if any of my tax dollars were going to support biggots - I hope they don't get any state/federal funding..
Get over it..

WTF. Choosing who you allow or do not allow to participate in your private organization is your own damn business, you do not need a right to do so. Nobody has the right to grant you that right, because it is your own, as you own the business. If you don't like that, don't join the Boyscouts. Make your own rip off boyscouts just for gay athiests.

you know, you're not really disagreeing with him....

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Whade
Why join an organization you don't believe in? If the Boy Scouts are based around a value system that doesn't fit your own, don't participate. You have the right not to believe in their value system, as they have a right to have one. It seems people want the "perks" of the Boy Scouts, but want to tear apart the foundation it is built upon. If you take a pick axe to the foundation the rest will be left weakened and atrophied. It amazes me that people don't see that the reason why the Boy Scouts instill good values, is because the Boy Scouts are based on strong values.

oh please, you make it sound like you have to be christian to have "good values".

 

[CubicZirconia]

Originally posted by: AndrewNF
I was a member of Scouts Canada for many years, there's no discrimination against gays or atheists. The Boy Scouts of America can disciminate against anyone they want, but I'm much prouder to have been involved with a group that doesn't.

I am a member of the Boy Scouts. The select few officials who make pointless decisions can discriminate against whoever they want. But, since I nor anyone else I know who is a member of the Boy Scouts discriminates against said individuals, I don't really care what the administrators say. I am certainly no less "proud" because a few guys in suits decided not to let gay people or atheists in the Boy Scouts.

Honestly, almost no one in the Boy Scouts gives a fvck what these guys say. The whole gay/atheist issue has absolutely nothing to do with actual scouting. When it comes down to it, the gay/atheist issue is meaningless. If a gay person or atheist wanted to join the Boy Scouts, they could. No one would even care if they lied on the forms, because no one cares about the forms. Everyone is just there to go camping. That's it.

Edit: Another thing: Most kids in the Boy Scouts are probably atheists themselves. Think they care about the forms or the Boy Scout's official position? Absolutely not. This whole issue is massively overblown.

 

[AndrewNF]

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

Originally posted by: AndrewNF
I was a member of Scouts Canada for many years, there's no discrimination against gays or atheists. The Boy Scouts of America can disciminate against anyone they want, but I'm much prouder to have been involved with a group that doesn't.

I am a member of the Boy Scouts. The select few officials who make pointless decisions can discriminate against whoever they want. But, since I nor anyone else I know who is a member of the Boy Scouts discriminates against said individuals, I don't really care what the administrators say. I am certainly no less "proud" because a few guys in suits decided not to let gay people or atheists in the Boy Scouts.

Honestly, almost no one in the Boy Scouts gives a fvck what these guys say. The whole gay/atheist issue has absolutely nothing to do with actual scouting. When it comes down to it, the gay/atheist issue is meaningless. If a gay person or atheist wanted to join the Boy Scouts, they could. No one would even care if they lied on the forms, because no one cares about the forms. Everyone is just there to go camping. That's it.

Edit: Another thing: Most kids in the Boy Scouts are probably atheists themselves. Think they care about the forms or the Boy Scout's official position? Absolutely not. This whole issue is massively overblown.

That's good to hear, but the reputation of the organization is shaped what the officials say and do, and it's what the media pays attention to.

If the membership doesn't believe in discriminating against gays and atheists, shouldn't there be a move to throw out these officials?

 

[CubicZirconia]

and it's what the media pays attention to.

I for one stopped caring what media pays attention to long ago. Namely because they just don't get it.

If the membership doesn't believe in discriminating against gays and atheists, shouldn't there be a move to throw out these officials?

Probably. But you have to remember the membership consists mainly of boys under the age of 18. They don't care enough to listen to anything the officials say. They certainly don't care enough to actually have the officials removed. You can hold this against the members, but what do you expect?

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
You would think they would do some kind of scouting to earn the name, but they don't. All they do is tie knots and cook potatoes in foil. What gives?

that isn't really true

look at the requirements for some of the required merit badges

example: Hiking merit badge

example: ORIENTEERING merit badge

 

[Rapidskies]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Whade
Why join an organization you don't believe in? If the Boy Scouts are based around a value system that doesn't fit your own, don't participate. You have the right not to believe in their value system, as they have a right to have one. It seems people want the "perks" of the Boy Scouts, but want to tear apart the foundation it is built upon. If you take a pick axe to the foundation the rest will be left weakened and atrophied. It amazes me that people don't see that the reason why the Boy Scouts instill good values, is because the Boy Scouts are based on strong values.

oh please, you make it sound like you have to be christian to have "good values".

Oh please yourself, it seems hypocritical to want the benefits of something without "being" a part of it. There are plenty ethical non-christian people, that has nothing to do with what I posted. Boy Scouts = character, why mess with something that's been working for years?

 

[AndrewNF]

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

and it's what the media pays attention to.

I for one stopped caring what media pays attention to long ago. Namely because they just don't get it.

If the membership doesn't believe in discriminating against gays and atheists, shouldn't there be a move to throw out these officials?

Probably. But you have to remember the membership consists mainly of boys under the age of 18. They don't care enough to listen to anything the officials say. They certainly don't care enough to actually have the officials removed. You can hold this against the members, but what do you expect?

I made the comment about the media along with a comment about the reputation of the organization - the two go hand-in-hand. What I was suggesting was the general public's perceptions are often shaped by the media, and the view of Boy Scouts in the eyes of the public will likely be damaged by what the media reports - Boy Scouts will be seen as a bigoted, intolerent organization.

But when it comes down to it, it seems like the members are interested in being scouts, not worrying about excluding certain groups. Therefore, the official's policies are out of sync with membership, and there really needs to be some move to bring the leadership in line with membership.

How that's going to happen, I don't know!