Isn't one of the reasons programmers program in groups so that they can smack each other on the back of the head when they write something "unmaintainable?"
Isn't one of the reasons programmers program in groups so that they can smack each other on the back of the head when they write something "unmaintainable?"
kamper
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Yes, but one programmer's views on 'maintainable' are entirely different than another's. After the head-smacking the philosophical argument starts, then the manager steps in and says "Stop wasting time, don't fix the bad code, just write more code as fast as you can."
Something suited to modularized design at the object level. For instance, each team on my staff consists of different levels of Java developers. For a medium-sized project, a few guys will lay out the framework via UML, interfaces, and abstract classes, while their reports implement the model.
This keeps things very structured, maintainable, reusable, and scalable. While I'm not a PHP expert by any stretch of the imagination, I really don't see how you could accomplish these goals nearly as easily using it instead of something like J2EE or .NET.
I'd have to say this is the biggest reason, but imo development is WAY quicker using asp.net than php. .net has code behind and such features lend themselves to the needs of businesses than php.
-SelArom
I've actually been playing around with C# and .NET for awhile and I like it. The RAD of VB, the OOP of Java, some of the flexibilities offered by C++... I like it.
I don't much care for the platform dependance that .NET comes with, but Java has plenty of its own shortcomings. Yeah, you get "platform independance", but varying levels of implementation conformance - especially with respect to J2EE - are a nightmare.
I don't much care for the platform dependance that .NET comes with, but Java has plenty of its own shortcomings. Yeah, you get "platform independance", but varying levels of implementation conformance - especially with respect to J2EE - are a nightmare.
The biggest problem I have with .Net related stuff is the fact it isn't platform independent. php and perl pretty much run everywhere. 
Here's my theory:
The reason is because there are few, if any, standard practices in php. Pluck 2 random php programmers and ask them how they do error checking/handling, and odds are you'll get two wildly different answers. Ergo, everyone has their own "style" of doing things and seems to get an ego that their way is better because no one unified body has established a generally well accepted way of doing things.
Add to that the fact that about 70-90% of the php programming community picked it up without knowing a thing about basic algorithms, writing easily readable and maintainable code, or even how to properly test and check their code. Therefore, the pool from which you draw your talent is flat out mostly incompetents. Most other programming languages, while owning up their fair share of horrible programmers, have a higher ratio of people with at least a base competency.
Add to that php's steep learning curve(steep implies it is learned faster, shallow implies it is difficult to pick up), its "inline with HTML" style that every beginner's guide seems so fond of, and the fact that everyone and their grandmother can use a different OS and ide to write it, most php applications end up looking like a hodgepodge garble of mixed up code, odd line breaks, weird formatting and generally just becomes unmanageable.
Add to that the fact that microsoft enterprise support is excellent in every respect while php has no equivalent therein.
The reason is because there are few, if any, standard practices in php. Pluck 2 random php programmers and ask them how they do error checking/handling, and odds are you'll get two wildly different answers. Ergo, everyone has their own "style" of doing things and seems to get an ego that their way is better because no one unified body has established a generally well accepted way of doing things.
Add to that the fact that about 70-90% of the php programming community picked it up without knowing a thing about basic algorithms, writing easily readable and maintainable code, or even how to properly test and check their code. Therefore, the pool from which you draw your talent is flat out mostly incompetents. Most other programming languages, while owning up their fair share of horrible programmers, have a higher ratio of people with at least a base competency.
Add to that php's steep learning curve(steep implies it is learned faster, shallow implies it is difficult to pick up), its "inline with HTML" style that every beginner's guide seems so fond of, and the fact that everyone and their grandmother can use a different OS and ide to write it, most php applications end up looking like a hodgepodge garble of mixed up code, odd line breaks, weird formatting and generally just becomes unmanageable.
Add to that the fact that microsoft enterprise support is excellent in every respect while php has no equivalent therein.
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I think that's pretty much the trend when comparing any commercially designed platform vs. an open source platform.Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
The biggest problem I have with .Net related stuff is the fact it isn't platform independent. php and perl pretty much run everywhere.
you cant just copy and paste the url and have it work on another computer
which would piss me off to no end if a company like newegg did that
which would piss me off to no end if a company like newegg did that
oh GOD!!! I HATE THAT! there's nothing like manually digging into the code and reverse-engineering their POST commands. Or using Ethereal.
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