Why don't Ashcroft & co. use all these wonderful anti-terrorism rules against groups like ELF (Earth Liberation Front)?

[glenn1]

As far as i'm concerned, anyone commintting acts in the name of E.L.F. should have their ass sent to Guantanamo Bay for a good long while. Why can't Ashcroft use those spiffy tools the Patriot Act give them to crack some ELF heads and put these nimrods out of commission?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: glenn1
As far as i'm concerned, anyone commintting acts in the name of E.L.F. should have their ass sent to Guantanamo Bay for a good long while. Why can't Ashcroft use those spiffy tools the Patriot Act give them to crack some ELF heads and put these nimrods out of commission?

Because it would be wrong? Because we have a Bill of Rights? Because you haven't explained what you think they've done that justifies trampling the Constitution?

 

[Spencer278]

Because they are white so he can't just look around and point at people and say they are terrorist. They don't have a clue who is doing the damage.

 

[SuperTool]

If a muslim did what ELF is accused of doing, he would be in Gitmo now.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: glenn1
As far as i'm concerned, anyone commintting acts in the name of E.L.F. should have their ass sent to Guantanamo Bay for a good long while. Why can't Ashcroft use those spiffy tools the Patriot Act give them to crack some ELF heads and put these nimrods out of commission?

Because it would be wrong? Because we have a Bill of Rights? Because you haven't explained what you think they've done that justifies trampling the Constitution?

You should visit ELF's website, they are quite a destructive "envronmentalist" group. The way they go about things really makes one wonder how they are helping the environment.

 

[Compton]

It seems like it would be easy to track those nuts down. It wouldn't bother me at all to have another Waco-style incident and have them all go up in flames.

 

[rbV5]

Crips and Bloods?

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Crips and Bloods?

Really, and about another dozen domestic terrorist organizations we can probably think off. What about the KKK and other such groups?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Who says he isn't?

I has been used for other things besides terrorism. Sometimes it takes a while for things to happen.

 

[Aegion]

Originally posted by: Compton
It seems like it would be easy to track those nuts down. It wouldn't bother me at all to have another Waco-style incident and have them all go up in flames.

This is what people seem to be missing about the group. The problem is that the "members" typically have no direct contact or communications with each other at all, and are just people of similar mindset scattered throughout the country. Just about the only thing you can pin down are the people who post how you could go about carrying off an attack, and you have to be careful in these cases or you simply violate people's free speech rights. Other people then carry out the attacks on their own after reading the info on one of these sights. You can't prosecute the people who posted the how to guide for the results, particularly since they are generally vague rather than specifying a specific target, so you're left looking at the scene of the crime to locate the people involved with the act. The ELF is essentially the ultimate in decentralized networks.

 

[onelove]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Who says he isn't?

I has been used for other things besides terrorism. Sometimes it takes a while for things to happen.

a justification (wittingly or knee-jerk-98-0) for power creep to the executive

 

[Compton]

Originally posted by: Aegion

Originally posted by: Compton
It seems like it would be easy to track those nuts down. It wouldn't bother me at all to have another Waco-style incident and have them all go up in flames.

This is what people seem to be missing about the group. The problem is that the "members" typically have no direct contact or communications with each other at all, and are just people of similar mindset scattered throughout the country. Just about the only thing you can pin down are the people who post how you could go about carrying off an attack, and you have to be careful in these cases or you simply violate people's free speech rights. Other people then carry out the attacks on their own after reading the info on one of these sights. You can't prosecute the people who posted the how to guide for the results, particularly since they are generally vague rather than specifying a specific target, so you're left looking at the scene of the crime to locate the people involved with the act. The ELF is essentially the ultimate in decentralized networks.

I didn't know that. I guess they need to make an example out of the idiots who started those fires in California and lock them away for a long time and only serve them meat.

I still think it would be possible to track them down. The government could identify who buys those expensive organic foods and get wiretaps on them.