Why doesn't Obama...

[Kntx]

...use a republican talking point like "if we don't raise debt ceiling soliders won't have armor and bullets! If you don't raise the debt ceiling you don't support the troops!"

 

[PottedMeat]

he can't say that, but he can tell any of his underlings to say it.

 

[ProfJohn]

Why doesn't Obama offer his own plan in writing??

Of course the answer is that this is all about politics. Much easier to say no to other peoples ideas than put your own forward.

 

[umbrella39]

Damn that Obama and his failure to write legislation!

Civics 101...

 

[ProfJohn]

Damn that Obama and his failure to write legislation!

Civics 101...

The President offers a budget every year

Post Fail 101

 

[theeedude]

Why doesn't Obama offer his own plan in writing??

Of course the answer is that this is all about politics. Much easier to say no to other peoples ideas than put your own forward.

Because House needs to field a plan that he'll sign. He just says what he will and won't sign. The crap that Boehner is wasting time on is going to be vetoed.

 

[her209]

Why doesn't Obama offer his own plan in writing??

Of course the answer is that this is all about politics. Much easier to say no to other peoples ideas than put your own forward.

http://www.speaker.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=219059

Statement by Speaker John Boehner on President’s Request to Raise Debt Limit

Washington (Jan 6)

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement on the debt limit:

“I’ve been notified that the Obama Administration intends to formally request an increase in the debt limit. The American people will not stand for such an increase unless it is accompanied by meaningful action by the President and Congress to cut spending and end the job-killing spending binge in Washington. While America cannot default on its debt, we also cannot continue to borrow recklessly, dig ourselves deeper into this hole, and mortgage the future of our children and grandchildren. Spending cuts – and reforming a broken budget process – are top priorities for the American people and for the new majority in the House this year, and it is essential that the President and Democrats in Congress work with us in that effort.”

 

[Kntx]

I feel like if GWB were in this situation with a dem congress he'd pull out the "you don't support the troops" line. Then everyone would be tripping over themselves to raise the ceiling.

 

[JockoJohnson]

I feel like if GWB were in this situation with a dem congress he'd pull out the "you don't support the troops" line. Then everyone would be tripping over themselves to raise the ceiling.

But Obama isn't Bush. Instead, he is saying old people will die, poor people will be starving in the streets, etc.

 

[ProfJohn]

Because House needs to field a plan that he'll sign. He just says what he will and won't sign. The crap that Boehner is wasting time on is going to be vetoed.

If he wants a plan he will sign then he can present one himself.


This is ALL about politics and setting himself up for 2012.

Every time the Republicans present a plan Obama can sit back and bitch about the rich not paying their share, or how the cuts will hurt old people etc etc. The media reports what Obama says and people go 'oh those evil Republicans'

What he won't do is offer his own plan because that would give the GOP a chance to pick his plan apart as well.

Obama wants to have his cake and eat it too.

 

[Kntx]

My thinking is that at budget time it was known that the debt ceiling would be exceeded before the next budget. I believe that budget was passed by the current congress? Anyone who voted for the budget but is raising a stink about the debt ceiling is wrong.

 

[JockoJohnson]

My thinking is that at budget time it was known that the debt ceiling would be exceeded before the next budget. I believe that budget was passed by the current congress? Anyone who voted for the budget but is raising a stink about the debt ceiling is wrong.

Ooooh, the blame game. Democrats never really passed a budget when they were supposed to last year. This new Republican controlled House had to get a budget passed. So this whole mess with the budget can't be passed on to JUST the Republicans--it sounds like you are leaning that way. If not, I do apologize.

 

[Kntx]

You're right. The budget was passed with both democrat and republican votes. Those same members should certainly vote to fund the budget they passed.

 

[wuliheron]

One third of the country is holding the economy hostage to their demands for no new taxes, while the other two thirds are preparing the lynch them. Obama is doing exactly what he should do by giving the republicans all the rope they need to hang themselves. If they drive the economy under the republican party will fall apart and their worst nightmare will come true. If they compromise at the last moment the tea party will loose its momentum. If a real budget is achieved Obama will get the credit. In other words, he is in a no-loose situation and all he has to do is continue to present himself as the voice of reason. The republicans have already funneled all the money into the smallest minority possible and the only thing left on the table is political power.

 

[Craig234]

Ooooh, the blame game. Democrats never really passed a budget when they were supposed to last year. This new Republican controlled House had to get a budget passed. So this whole mess with the budget can't be passed on to JUST the Republicans--it sounds like you are leaning that way. If not, I do apologize.

I didn't follow it that closely - was it more Democrats not passing a budget, or more Republicans blocking them?

 

[woolfe9999]

The President offers a budget every year

Post Fail 101

This isn't a budget.

Civics 101 fail

 

[JockoJohnson]

I didn't follow it that closely - was it more Democrats not passing a budget, or more Republicans blocking them?

Shouldn't be too hard to follow. The Democrats had a clear majority. Nancy Pelosi said so herself back in 2006. They should have been able to get anything passed. Can't keep blaming the minority of Republicans for blocking everything.

 

[Craig234]

Shouldn't be too hard to follow.

That's a bit obnoxious.

The Democrats had a clear majority. Nancy Pelosi said so herself back in 2006. They should have been able to get anything passed. Can't keep blaming the minority of Republicans for blocking everything.

Funny, you can't answer an 'easy' question, just post a partisan attack. Nevermind.

 

[boomerang]

Democrats, the party of NO.

 

[Craig234]

There's so much confusion over the President, the budget, and bills.

While the President cannot directly submit a bill, as a practical matter, he works with his party for allied legislators to submit them for him.

So when the President says 'we should put a man on the moon', he can't budget the money, but someone likely in his party will submit the bill to pay for it.

The White House works with its party in Congress on bills.

The President submits a recommended budget. Technically, it's just information, nothing legally enforcable. It's not a bill, it can't be voted on without a House member sponsor.

But it is hugely influential on Congress. For political reasons, you will hear the other party say the President's budget is going nowhere, but it's the starting point for debate.

You can see the budgets eventually passed hugely correlated to the Presidents' submitted budgets.

The Congress didn't change much between 1999 (Clinton) and 2002 (Bush), but the budgets sure did. Same with George Bush 41 and Clinton's first two years.

Some Reagan fans like to say 'he submitted balanced budgets but the Democratic Congress voted to spend more'.

The following chart shows two things, how correlated the President's budget and the one passed were, and that if anything Reagan's budgets wanted to spend more.

That's the 'informal' way the President and Congress work, within the rules of the constitution.

 

[dali71]

Funny, you can't answer an 'easy' question, just post a partisan attack. Nevermind.

Speaking of people who won't answer 'easy' questions: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32046915&postcount=112


Still waiting...

 

[soundforbjt]

Why doesn't Obama offer his own plan in writing??

Of course the answer is that this is all about politics. Much easier to say no to other peoples ideas than put your own forward.

You've been watching Sean InSanity again haven't you?

 

[JockoJohnson]

That's a bit obnoxious.



Funny, you can't answer an 'easy' question, just post a partisan attack. Nevermind.

I've read enough of your posts to know about partisan. I am nothing on this board when posts are compared. I have been lurking since early 2000s. I know that you follow everything in politics closely so you are clearly playing the naive person on last year's budget. You are trying to corner me into saying something that you want to hear.

The simple answer is that the Democrats had a majority in Congress since 2006 and have come up with thousands of excuses on why they got shit done. The only thing they got done was Obamacare and they fucked that up good (so did the Republicans, to be fair to all). It is a piece of shit that either didn't go far enough for some or went too far for others.

 

[Fern]

My thinking is that at budget time it was known that the debt ceiling would be exceeded before the next budget. I believe that budget was passed by the current congress? Anyone who voted for the budget but is raising a stink about the debt ceiling is wrong.

We haven't actually passed a budget in 2 years.

We're operating under temporary stop gap measures. The one we're under now was passed several months ago and was designed to get us to the fiscal year-end - the end of August.

Looks to me like their budgets assumptions were close for the fiscal year- only short by 28 days. So it was a little better than 11/12ths of the way there.

Likely revenues fell a little short (e.g., a little less in income tax withholdings) or expenses were a little higher (e.g., Medicare/Medicaid).

Yeah, if Congress passed the budget they should authorize additional debt ceiling to pay for it. However, that's on Obama, he already said he would veto anything short term. And getting from only Aug 2 to Aug 30 is the very definition of s/t.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

We haven't actually passed a budget in 2 years.

We're operating under temporary stop gap measures. The one we're under now was passed several months ago and was designed to get us to the fiscal year-end - the end of August.

Looks to me like their budgets assumptions were close for the fiscal year- only short by 28 days. So it was a little better than 11/12ths of the way there.

Likely revenues fell a little short (e.g., a little less in income tax withholdings) or expenses were a little higher (e.g., Medicare/Medicaid).

Yeah, if Congress passed the budget they should authorize additional debt ceiling to pay for it. However, that's on Obama, he already said he would veto anything short term. And getting from only Aug 2 to Aug 30 is the very definition of s/t.

Fern

Good point.