Why doesn't obama restore union rights to Federal Employees?

[DCal430]

Federal workers have no real union rights. Why doesn't obama issue a decree to restore their rights to strike, organize, and collective bargin. He says he cares about workers rights, but what about his own workers.

Moved that for you
-Schadenfroh (AT Mod)

 

[sdifox]

P&N is not ATOT

 

[MotF Bane]

P&N is not ATOT

/thread

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Let me rephrase this question:

Why is the sky blue?

 

[PingSpike]

Obama says a lot of things.

 

[FDF12389]

Because our rights as voters to elect leaders to decide how to spend are tax dollars should not be superceded by any union rights.

 

[Double Trouble]

I think you are confusing what Obama says with what he means/wants/believes...

 

[DCal430]

I am really having regrets voting for Obama.

1. We still have no single provider health care system.
2. We still have no single government run national bank.
3. We still have have huge tax cuts for the rich.
4. We still have workers getting the shaft.

and so and so on.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Because Obama hates the middle class, hates working families, is Hitler, Gaddafi, etc.. Everything they said about Scott Walker.

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

LOL.

 

[jhu]

I am really having regrets voting for Obama.

1. We still have no single provider health care system.
2. We still have no single government run national bank.
3. We still have have huge tax cuts for the rich.
4. We still have workers getting the shaft.

and so and so on.

Well, you would have similar disappointments if McCain was elected too.

 

[DCal430]

Well, you would have similar disappointments if McCain was elected too.

I would have never voted for McCain. Never vote repub.

 

[trenchfoot]

Federal workers have no real union rights. Why doesn't obama issue a decree to restore their rights to strike, organize, and collective bargin. He says he cares about workers rights, but what about his own workers.

Moved that for you
-Schadenfroh (AT Mod)

Yeah but, look at how well they're paid, and look at how good their job security is compared to the private sector, and look at how good their medical plans are, and look at how many of them are very well connected with the powers that be.

In short, they don't have unions (per se) because they don't need them.

 

[Skitzer]

I am really having regrets voting for Obama.

1. We still have no single provider health care system.
2. We still have no single government run national bank.
3. We still have have huge tax cuts for the rich.
4. We still have workers getting the shaft.

and so and so on.

You forgot Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan.
All of the huge issues his base wanted addressed are simply not happening.
He's an empty suit.

 

[Vette73]

Federal workers have no real union rights. Why doesn't obama issue a decree to restore their rights to strike, organize, and collective bargin. He says he cares about workers rights, but what about his own workers.

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Because Fed employees have the MSPB and other areas they can appeal grievances to that most private workers do not. Also there are unions in the Federal gov. They can ask for certain things to be adjusted and MGT works with them.

 

[Vette73]

Yeah but, look at how well they're paid, and look at how good their job security is compared to the private sector, and look at how good their medical plans are, and look at how many of them are very well connected with the powers that be.

In short, they don't have unions (per se) because they don't need them.

Gov pay is at best equal to private sector jobs in that area, some higher but most just equal to at best. I have people turn down 100k jobs all the time as they make more in private.

People in the Fed get laid off all the time.

Health care cost for Fed employees goes up every year as well. In fact my wife has better health care where she works so her and my son are under her plan.

 

[matt0611]

I am really having regrets voting for Obama.

1. We still have no single provider health care system.
2. We still have no single government run national bank.
3. We still have have huge tax cuts for the rich.
4. We still have workers getting the shaft.

and so and so on.

Obama promised a government run national bank?

 

[trenchfoot]

Marlin - Gov pay is at best equal to private sector jobs in that area, some higher but most just equal to at best. I have people turn down 100k jobs all the time as they make more in private.


For some jobs, yes, for others, not so, and for the rest, even less. However, when the whole package is looked at, working for the Fed is much better than working for the municipalities/private sector, generally speaking, which was the context of my first post.

Marlin - People in the Fed get laid off all the time.


Sure. But overall, when compared to the private sector, not as much, especially so for those fed workers with seniority.


Marlin - Health care cost for Fed employees goes up every year as well. In fact my wife has better health care where she works so her and my son are under her plan.


I'm not well informed enough to argue this point, but yes, from what I know, this would be the least attractive feature of many fed jobs, apart from those in senior positions, who, I beleive, have attractive health coverage plans.

Overall though, it's still my belief that fed employees are better taken care of than those from the private sector. A part of which has to do with the rules, regs and policies the Fed has to follow, which, I might add, is similar in many ways to what union organized shops have in place.

 

[TheSlamma]

The right to be lazy and to punish the employees that exceed expectations? Forget that.

 

[Vette73]

Marlin - Gov pay is at best equal to private sector jobs in that area, some higher but most just equal to at best. I have people turn down 100k jobs all the time as they make more in private.


For some jobs, yes, for others, not so, and for the rest, even less. However, when the whole package is looked at, working for the Fed is much better than working for the municipalities, generally speaking, which was the context of my first post.

Marlin - People in the Fed get laid off all the time.


Sure. But overall, when compared to the private sector, not as much, especially so for those fed workers with seniority.


Marlin - Health care cost for Fed employees goes up every year as well. In fact my wife has better health care where she works so her and my son are under her plan.


I'm not well informed enough to argue this point, but yes, from what I know, this would be the least attractive feature of many fed jobs, apart from those in senior positions, who, I beleive, have attractive health coverage plans.

Overall though, it's still my belief that fed employees are better taken care of than those from the private sector. A part of which has to do with the rules, regs and policies the Fed has to follow, which, I might add, is similar in many ways to what union organized shops have in place.

Yea some cities are better than others but cost of living ranges very wide in cities. I also took a pay cut to get my job so I know first hand a Fed job does not equal mega bucks.

We just let go someone that was a GS-13 the other day, a GS-14-step 10 last week, etc.. i.e. if you f__k up enough there are ways to get rid of ya. Let alone if a site is shutdown and you don't want to move to the new area, to bad.

We all have the same options for health insurance. The way it works is the Gov pays X percent and the employee pays the other percent. Right now my wife pays less for her and my sons insurance in private than it would cost for all of us to be under the cheapest option I have in the DC area.

Being a fed employee is not all roses that some think. When the economy is good many think only rejects work for the Fed or told there is more money else where etc... But when the economy is bad then we are overpaid, lazy, etc...

 

[her209]

Because Fed employees have the MSPB and other areas they can appeal grievances to that most private workers do not. Also there are unions in the Federal gov. They can ask for certain things to be adjusted and MGT works with them.

There's also the Federal Labor Relation Authority.

 

[wayliff]

I would have never voted for McCain. Never vote repub.

This is my view of your comment and not an attack.

I don't consider myself republican or a democrat but I will vote for what makes the most sense, in my view, when the time comes.

I think that voting, or not voting, just because of party association is short sighted.

It is probably why many candidates that should not elected come into power just because one is republican, or a democrat, then one will vote for a party...:hmm:

 

[wayliff]

Well, you would have similar disappointments if McCain was elected too.

I agree - the finger would just have a different person to point at for similar reasons...

 

[trenchfoot]

The right to be lazy and to punish the employees that exceed expectations? Forget that.

In all honesty, I have to agree with you in the sense that I 've seen this happen from personal experience.

However, Management is just as much to blame for having these kinds of situations exist in the workplace.

It's Management's job to enforce Company Policy and it's the Union's job to enforce the contract.

 

[Throckmorton]

Guys, the Fed is short for the Federal Reserve. It's not short for the federal government.

 

[trenchfoot]

Guys, the Fed is short for the Federal Reserve. It's not short for the federal government.

Thanks for the clarification.:thumbsup: I am practically the worst abuser in here (out of laziness).