Markfw
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Good point.... I should have stated "on this site and may other forums where people with a brain are....
", but point well taken. The Intel marketing machine is king right now.
Kind of like not many people know that the best handling car under 33k is the RX-8, but at least that is a debateable point.....
MrK6
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You better believe it is...
Tom's Hardware is well known for being biased and their reviews shouldn't be taken seriously at all. About the only thing I use them for is their case round ups, because I can see the pictures and decide what I like best (I still find their cooling ratings and what not ludicrous). Seriously, rely on Anandtech, Hardocp, and other accepted sites for good reviews.
For example?
Like I said, I'm not a big Tom's Hardware fan. I rarely ever visit the site, unless I'm following a link from here. But I just don't see why you think the site is so "biased".
Soulkeeper
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DrMrLordX
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I've never found Tom's Hardware to be consistantly biased. Biased, yes, but it's always Tom's own peculiar bias that is difficult to understand. When it comes to AMD vs Intel, I've seen him savage both companies, though not necessarily at the same time.
I think it's fair to say that Tom did not like the desktop Athlon XPs(particularly not the Barton core XPs), the early P4s, or the P3 1.13 ghz. Or any of the early P3 chipsets(i820 especially). He also wasn't a big K6 or K6-2 fan as I recall . . .
I think it's fair to say that Tom did not like the desktop Athlon XPs(particularly not the Barton core XPs), the early P4s, or the P3 1.13 ghz. Or any of the early P3 chipsets(i820 especially). He also wasn't a big K6 or K6-2 fan as I recall . . .
Originally posted by: MrK6
You better believe it is...
Tom's Hardware is well known for being biased and their reviews shouldn't be taken seriously at all. About the only thing I use them for is their case round ups, because I can see the pictures and decide what I like best (I still find their cooling ratings and what not ludicrous). Seriously, rely on Anandtech, Hardocp, and other accepted sites for good reviews.
Dont even get us stqarted on HardOCP. They're upp in ATi's ass all the way.
Ahahaha, guess you haven't been round there lately.
I was an early adopter of amd, but got burned way too many time by the absolutely craptastic chipsets that were available for the platform way back then. I think many people are in that boat, and will stick with intel regardless of relative performance, just because their stuff just works, without a bunch of hassle, in most cases.
Only amd64 stuff I have now is in my laptop. Fighting urge to build an fx-53 rig, kind of hard to justify when I already have a p4 3.4.
then wait for the FX-55 eastvillager, a 2.6 Fx will beat a 3.4Ghz Intel P4C/E and even the EE's.
3chordcharlie
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It always makes sense to use the best available 'rest of system' to compare a single component...
It didn't matter here, but skew the timelines a little and a 3.2P4 would probably show a difference between the new video cards; a 3200+ AXP might well have been CPU-limited, and failed to show differences.
When reviewing CPUs, writers usually run a very fast video card, and turn down the settings, to make sure they are CPU limited. For integrity reasons (nothing to do with AMD or Intel), they should have done the same here.
It didn't matter here, but skew the timelines a little and a 3.2P4 would probably show a difference between the new video cards; a 3200+ AXP might well have been CPU-limited, and failed to show differences.
When reviewing CPUs, writers usually run a very fast video card, and turn down the settings, to make sure they are CPU limited. For integrity reasons (nothing to do with AMD or Intel), they should have done the same here.
The website is still usefull. I use for picking peripherals and such. I try to hit 3 or 4 reviews before I buy anything, and I always read people's comments - starting with the worst.
Toms hardware is very political when i was at MML3 i saw the tomshardware guys hovering around a table discussing something... i walked up to grab my sign in sheet and they were saying "Heh the lan is sponsored by Nvidia but they have ATI pens for the sign in sheets lets take pictures of this"
But they do some great reviews you just have to read them and filter out thier political biases as you go. They have done some fantastic unique articles nobody else has done.
But they do some great reviews you just have to read them and filter out thier political biases as you go. They have done some fantastic unique articles nobody else has done.
3chordcharlie
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toms is one of my favorite sites. that they test on P4 bothers me not. it may have something to do with all the AMD core meltdowns they had in the past.
I pretty much stopped visiting Toms Hardware back during the Voodoo 3 days when he tore apart 3dfx while having the infamous "Approved by Nvidia" logo on the front page of his website. Any site that is capable of stooping that low with utter disregard for integrity can never be taken seriously again. I remember the flame wars from back then, he called 3dfx card holders zealots and got in to pissing matches with them all time. To this day I am convinced that Toms Hardware played a small role in the demise of 3dfx with all the bad publicity and hyping of Nvidia that went on at the time. Of course in the end 3dfx would have folded anyways, but I think it helped accelerate the demise.
I never use Toms Hardware as a guide, but the fact remains that his site is well visited by the masses and the perception amongst a lot of uninformed web browsers is that Toms Hardware is the place to go to read reviews on hardware. That is what bothers me more than anything.
I never use Toms Hardware as a guide, but the fact remains that his site is well visited by the masses and the perception amongst a lot of uninformed web browsers is that Toms Hardware is the place to go to read reviews on hardware. That is what bothers me more than anything.
Ignoring the neutral language, you can see a very strong bias in the always careful benchmark selections (to put it mildly, IANK). Which boost Intel "performance" way beyond anything correlating to the real world.
However, if you want less cautious, outspoken biased opinions, maybe this rant by Toms Hardware's general manager helps?
http://www4.tomshardware.com/column/20040218/index.html
That should clear up any questions about what Tom's hardware is really about. Their job is getting harder though. But since Anandtech, the last days, proved a very infertile ground for "Intel's suggestions", maybe Tom's hardware will pick it up. (- 'John the Ripper' -OMG- What will they think up next? :roll: )
These type of commentaries are exactly what I was talking about in my previous post during the 3dfx vs Nvidia days...
If I had the right funding I would test all CPU/Mobo/Vid cards/system memory/hard drives and use all the combinations you can get. I would'nt mind having a site like his but if you watch his video he has cases and cases of CPU's, and memory, etc and well alot of people can't afford what he can. But you are right, I would have no doubt that he is on intels and nvdia's payroll. I would never sell out like that.
"There is nothing finer than raising the hackles of delusional AMD lovers"
toms, says it all......
AMD FOR LIFE
ARISE MY FELLOW AMD LOVERS, TO FAB 30 !
toms, says it all......
AMD FOR LIFE
ARISE MY FELLOW AMD LOVERS, TO FAB 30 !
Dell likes Intel because the server market seems to trust Intel more than AMD. And it would be cheaper just to carry one CPU manufacturer.
Anyway, Tom's hardware is becoming very very bad. It's barely having any articles worth reading and usually a daily check reveals nothing to read on their website.
Nomatter how many sales Intel gets, AMD will always be better at gaming in the same pricepoint.
HAIL
Before Toms deleted all archived articles as it seems, he deleted some old 3dfx only articles, probably to save space. I have a feeling that this dude won't be here for much longer.
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