Why Does the World Hate Israel?

[0roo0roo]

1billion muslim countries many with oil
6 million jews
who gives a rats ass about so few. oil and markets speak much louder.
add a little of that commonly acceptable antisemitism in much of the world and u get a decent bias

 

[0marTheZealot]

We have a policy of not providing aid to country's with WMDs. Israel hasn't pubically stated that it has WMDs, however, it is common knowledge that they probably do possess such weapons. The USA, however, doesn't probe into this, because we don't want to cut off funding to them.

Another distressing incident of politics overriding logic.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
We have a policy of not providing aid to country's with WMDs. Israel hasn't pubically stated that it has WMDs, however, it is common knowledge that they probably do possess such weapons. The USA, however, doesn't probe into this, because we don't want to cut off funding to them.

Another distressing incident of politics overriding logic.

Are you sure that's a real policy? We give aid to Pakistan & India, too.

 

[MAW1082]

There have been numerous UN resolutions condemning Israel's illegal terrorist actions against the Palestinians; however, each of these resolutions is always blocked by the same two voters: Israel and the United States.

 

[Doboji]

the influence the Jewish have in this country does not reflect their population size as a percentage. They are too powerful in DC.

As a jew living in DC, I find these kind of statements utterly horrifying!!! We have too much power in DC?.. Because we lobby the government for our causes just like the other 264 million americans in this country do? This is ridiculous...

Seventh point: All this anti-UN sentiment among the right is pissing me off. Israel has UN violations. US gave them the cold shoulder. They're all pissed because the UN wasn't dumb enough to fall for their "we're acting in agressive self-defense. Pity us and do as we say" line.

If the UN is unbiased, then were are the countless UN resolutions against other nations in far greater violation of human rights. Like for example Syria, or Iran? Why does Israel get singled out in the Middle East by the UN on a regular basis? Why was the UN able to pass a resolution calling Zionism racism... an implication too stupid to even imagine.

Ridiculous. If Israel would accept that it does make mistakes and not hide behind a US veto all the time peoples opinions of Israel would be much higher. Not that Israel is hated, that's just a bunch of Victimhood claptrap that's used to Justify Its' own actions and once again ignore what Others truly think.

Ok this is a comment from someone truly ignorant of the conflict. What is it that the world demands of Israel exactly? It demands that Israel take no aggressive actions against Palestinians, but it fails to understand the reality of the situation. That is, were Israel to cease all actions against the Palestinians, Israel would collapse. No nation on earth could withstand the waves of unchecked terror and murder that would envelope Israel. To demand Israeli actions is to demand that Israelis commit suicide. You call it victimhood. What are the Israelis other than victims of terror? When have they EVER had an alternative option? Israel is not attempting to "hide" behind anything... Israel is simply trying to exist.

Are you sure that economic resources isn't really the 200 or so billion in aid we give isreal?

Yes...

I sincerly hope that was meant to be sarcastic.

At this point there are so many vetoed condemnations of Israels actions that it isn't even funny, and the US will veto ANY and ALL resolutions that so much as critizises Israel, always have and always will.

Of course, if any one nation DARES to veto US's resolutions, they are of course anti semitic terrorists. and against freedom and democracy.

The world court found the wall that Israel is building (funny how these things repeat themselves, i am sure our grandchildren will tear the wall down and cheer just like they did in my country) on Palestinian land and of course they immediately labeled ALL of europe anti-semitic.

These idiots (for lack of a worse word) are hellbent on keeping the war going, and will do so until the US gives up their support and says ENOUGH, that will never happen though.

It's not like they are dirty arabs or something.

Ok this post makes me so angry... there seems to be this backlash to the term Anti-semetic... as if hoping to unseat the concept by ridiculing the terminology. What does vetoing US resolutions have to do with anti-semetism?... your post doesnt even make sense...

The world court does not have, and never has had jurisdiction over political issues such as borders. Furthermore the decision was only "advisory" BECAUSE it has no jurisdiction. Your country... which I can only assume is Germany, was facing an entirely different issue than Israel is. You're grandparents perpetrated a war against civillization itself, and your nation was divided between two ideologies as a result. You were a divided nation, seeking to reunite itself. Israel and Palestine, are two completely seperate nations, with no desire to be "united". Thus your completely unfounded comparison is not only ridiculous, it shows your utter lack of understanding about the nature of the very conflict at hand.

Idiots huh? Mr armchair prime minister.... what would you suggest Israel do to protect it's citzens... or would you be willing to let your wife and children die on a daily basis?

Dirty arabs?... I don't even understand this reference... last I checked there were 1.2 million arab citzens of Israel, many of whom are front line troops in the west bank and gaza. Last I checked it was the arab states who refuse jewish entry, and not Israel that refuses arab entry. Maybe you should do a little reading before you embarass yourself further.

-Max

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Doboji

the influence the Jewish have in this country does not reflect their population size as a percentage. They are too powerful in DC.

As a jew living in DC, I find these kind of statements utterly horrifying!!! We have too much power in DC?.. Because we lobby the government for our causes just like the other 264 million americans in this country do? This is ridiculous...

-Max

I don't think he was referring to the lobbying groups. I think he was referring to these statistics:

% House of Representatives Jewish = 6%
% Senators Jewish = 11%

% Population in America Jewish = 1.8%

So they do seem to be over-represented in this country.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Doboji

the influence the Jewish have in this country does not reflect their population size as a percentage. They are too powerful in DC.

As a jew living in DC, I find these kind of statements utterly horrifying!!! We have too much power in DC?.. Because we lobby the government for our causes just like the other 264 million americans in this country do? This is ridiculous...

Seventh point: All this anti-UN sentiment among the right is pissing me off. Israel has UN violations. US gave them the cold shoulder. They're all pissed because the UN wasn't dumb enough to fall for their "we're acting in agressive self-defense. Pity us and do as we say" line.

If the UN is unbiased, then were are the countless UN resolutions against other nations in far greater violation of human rights. Like for example Syria, or Iran? Why does Israel get singled out in the Middle East by the UN on a regular basis? Why was the UN able to pass a resolution calling Zionism racism... an implication too stupid to even imagine.

Ridiculous. If Israel would accept that it does make mistakes and not hide behind a US veto all the time peoples opinions of Israel would be much higher. Not that Israel is hated, that's just a bunch of Victimhood claptrap that's used to Justify Its' own actions and once again ignore what Others truly think.

Ok this is a comment from someone truly ignorant of the conflict. What is it that the world demands of Israel exactly? It demands that Israel take no aggressive actions against Palestinians, but it fails to understand the reality of the situation. That is, were Israel to cease all actions against the Palestinians, Israel would collapse. No nation on earth could withstand the waves of unchecked terror and murder that would envelope Israel. To demand Israeli actions is to demand that Israelis commit suicide. You call it victimhood. What are the Israelis other than victims of terror? When have they EVER had an alternative option? Israel is not attempting to "hide" behind anything... Israel is simply trying to exist.

Are you sure that economic resources isn't really the 200 or so billion in aid we give isreal?

Yes...

I sincerly hope that was meant to be sarcastic.

At this point there are so many vetoed condemnations of Israels actions that it isn't even funny, and the US will veto ANY and ALL resolutions that so much as critizises Israel, always have and always will.

Of course, if any one nation DARES to veto US's resolutions, they are of course anti semitic terrorists. and against freedom and democracy.

The world court found the wall that Israel is building (funny how these things repeat themselves, i am sure our grandchildren will tear the wall down and cheer just like they did in my country) on Palestinian land and of course they immediately labeled ALL of europe anti-semitic.

These idiots (for lack of a worse word) are hellbent on keeping the war going, and will do so until the US gives up their support and says ENOUGH, that will never happen though.

It's not like they are dirty arabs or something.

Ok this post makes me so angry... there seems to be this backlash to the term Anti-semetic... as if hoping to unseat the concept by ridiculing the terminology. What does vetoing US resolutions have to do with anti-semetism?... your post doesnt even make sense...

The world court does not have, and never has had jurisdiction over political issues such as borders. Furthermore the decision was only "advisory" BECAUSE it has no jurisdiction. Your country... which I can only assume is Germany, was facing an entirely different issue than Israel is. You're grandparents perpetrated a war against civillization itself, and your nation was divided between two ideologies as a result. You were a divided nation, seeking to reunite itself. Israel and Palestine, are two completely seperate nations, with no desire to be "united". Thus your completely unfounded comparison is not only ridiculous, it shows your utter lack of understanding about the nature of the very conflict at hand.

Idiots huh? Mr armchair prime minister.... what would you suggest Israel do to protect it's citzens... or would you be willing to let your wife and children die on a daily basis?

Dirty arabs?... I don't even understand this reference... last I checked there were 1.2 million arab citzens of Israel, many of whom are front line troops in the west bank and gaza. Last I checked it was the arab states who refuse jewish entry, and not Israel that refuses arab entry. Maybe you should do a little reading before you embarass yourself further.

-Max

BS. Actions against Palestinians have not stopped anything or slowed it down, it merely encourages more Palestinians to take Action. The more hopeless the Palestinian situation, the more willing Palestinians will sacrifice themselves against there Oppressor Israel.

As for the amount of Resolutions concerning Israel vs its' neighbours: Perhaps if Israel hadn't been shielded from criticism, just maybe Israel would have ceased certain Actions years ago that give birth to all these Resolutions. Perhaps the frustration of UN Members watching Israel continue to do the same thing over and over and get away with it and not even facing a stern talking too pisses them off and in turn they'll pass a Resolution on a hair trigger hoping that 1 time it might finally stick?

I don't know, perhaps it's not that the World "Hates" Israel as much as Israel keeps giving the World the One-Finger salute when Uncle Sam is standing in front of Her?

 

[Doboji]

I don't think he was referring to the lobbying groups. I think he was referring to these statistics:

% House of Representatives Jewish = 6%
% Senators Jewish = 11%

% Population in America Jewish = 1.8%

So they do seem to be over-represented in this country.

WTF does this statistic mean?... Should we institute a quota, so we can limit the number of Jews serving in congress?... Maybe we should limit the professions those pesky jews can hold too?... Afterall there are a disproportionate amount of jewish doctors and lawyers. We should limit the number of jews holding those positions so that non-jews aren't infringed upon...

BS. Actions against Palestinians have not stopped anything or slowed it down, it merely encourages more Palestinians to take Action. The more hopeless the Palestinian situation, the more willing Palestinians will sacrifice themselves against there Oppressor Israel.

As for the amount of Resolutions concerning Israel vs its' neighbours: Perhaps if Israel hadn't been shielded from criticism, just maybe Israel would have ceased certain Actions years ago that give birth to all these Resolutions. Perhaps the frustration of UN Members watching Israel continue to do the same thing over and over and get away with it and not even facing a stern talking too pisses them off and in turn they'll pass a Resolution on a hair trigger hoping that 1 time it might finally stick?

I don't know, perhaps it's not that the World "Hates" Israel as much as Israel keeps giving the World the One-Finger salute when Uncle Sam is standing in front of Her?

Ok if you're going to make historical claims... make them with facts, and make them in context...
saying "certain actions years ago" is an absolutely meaningless statement, and is utterly unhelpful in this discussion.

Actions against Palestinians haven't slowed anything down? How do you explain the drastic decrease in terror attacks inside Israel in the last year?... How do you explain the dozens of attacks directly prevented each month by checkpoints and border police? Clearly Israeli actions DO have a direct effect on the terrorist means to commit terror.And again I return to the age old question that israel-detractors seem to fail to answer time and time again... WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE ISRAEL, OTHER THAN NOT EXIST?

-Max

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Doboji

I don't think he was referring to the lobbying groups. I think he was referring to these statistics:

% House of Representatives Jewish = 6%
% Senators Jewish = 11%

% Population in America Jewish = 1.8%

So they do seem to be over-represented in this country.

WTF does this statistic mean?... Should we institute a quota, so we can limit the number of Jews serving in congress?... Maybe we should limit the professions those pesky jews can hold too?... Afterall there are a disproportionate amount of jewish doctors and lawyers. We should limit the number of jews holding those positions so that non-jews aren't infringed upon...
F YOU WERE ISRAEL, OTHER THAN NOT EXIST?

-Max

You analogy to prefessions is clearly irrelevent, and I hope you understand why. I assume you are familair with the fundamentals of our 'democracy' where the people holding government positions are supposed to be 'represenatatives' to 'we the people'. So, idealy, these representatives should have cultures/religions/issues in porportion to the cultures/religion/issues of the people. Otherwise you get problems, for example when people are not represented enough in the government. You agree with that or not?

 

[Doboji]

You analogy to prefessions is clearly irrelevent, and I hope you understand why. I assume you are familair with the fundamentals of our 'democracy' where the people holding government positions are supposed to be 'represenatatives' to 'we the people'. So, idealy, these representatives should have cultures/religions/issues in porportion to the cultures/religion/issues of the people. Otherwise you get problems, for example when people are not represented enough in the government. You agree with that or not?

No I do not agree with that at all... based upon that we can only ever have a White protestant president. There is absolutely no reason why a jewish representative is not representative of the american public, if he was elected in a fair election, then the people he represents clearly think he is.

Furthermore... most of the support for Israel in congress doesnt even come from jewish senators and congressmean, it comes from christian senators, and congressman.

-Max

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Doboji

I don't think he was referring to the lobbying groups. I think he was referring to these statistics:

% House of Representatives Jewish = 6%
% Senators Jewish = 11%

% Population in America Jewish = 1.8%

So they do seem to be over-represented in this country.

WTF does this statistic mean?... Should we institute a quota, so we can limit the number of Jews serving in congress?... Maybe we should limit the professions those pesky jews can hold too?... Afterall there are a disproportionate amount of jewish doctors and lawyers. We should limit the number of jews holding those positions so that non-jews aren't infringed upon...
F YOU WERE ISRAEL, OTHER THAN NOT EXIST?

-Max

You analogy to prefessions is clearly irrelevent, and I hope you understand why. I assume you are familair with the fundamentals of our 'democracy' where the people holding government positions are supposed to be 'represenatatives' to 'we the people'. So, idealy, these representatives should have cultures/religions/issues in porportion to the cultures/religion/issues of the people. Otherwise you get problems, for example when people are not represented enough in the government. You agree with that or not?

While I'm no supporter of Israel, I have to disagree with you. While in some situations, disproportionate representation indicates a problem, such as the almost total absence of black representatives through most of American history except for modern times and just after the ACW, the US doesn't have any laws promoting Jewish representation in Congress that I'm aware of.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: lozina
You analogy to prefessions is clearly irrelevent, and I hope you understand why. I assume you are familair with the fundamentals of our 'democracy' where the people holding government positions are supposed to be 'represenatatives' to 'we the people'. So, idealy, these representatives should have cultures/religions/issues in porportion to the cultures/religion/issues of the people. Otherwise you get problems, for example when people are not represented enough in the government. You agree with that or not?

So what are you saying? That Jews should be prohibited from running for office b/c they are over-represented based on the Jewish general population? Do you assume that ones religion precludes them from properly representing the people they were elected to represent? You are clearly off base here.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Kibbo
You seem to paint Israel as being a vulnerable nation.

In the region, it is the preeminent military power. It receives military support from the U.S., which last I checked was a pretty powerful nation in its own right. It also has economic resources in the form of a well-educated population, which is a result of the original Jewish immigrants being educated in the West.

Are you sure that economic resources isn't really the 200 or so billion in aid we give isreal?

Um, the US has only given Israel a bit less than half that since the formation of the state.

However, with or without the US, Israel is in a class by itself militarily in the Middle East, as it's the only Middle Eastern nuclear power and one of the largest nuclear powers in the world with 100-200+ nuclear weapons.

Well, there have been several occasions where Israel also received loans, which it paid back like they were supposed to do.

 

[faiznne]

Originally posted by: Strk
<BR><BR>Well, there have been several occasions where Israel also received loans, which it paid back like they were supposed to do.

Israel has never paid back their loans. If you look up the U.S. History, all of the loans were forgiven.