Why does the iphone not sell more than androids in the Western world?

[LongTimePCUser]

More cpu cores did not help an iPhone because it could not multitask. Period.
Multiple cores help browsers in android because it can multitask.

 

[JimmiG]

Incorrect. Apple would sell no smartphones if that's what people wanted.

The people who want that are the ones not buying Apple phones...

 

[slackerinabox]

Who gives a flying fuck about profits? Is Apple sharing any of that with you? Do profits alone make a good phone. Face it, Apple would put out turds and people would line up for it.
Oh and you know why profits are so high? They take an existing phone and change like 10% of it. Add a new processor, or memory and call it a new phone. They reap in profits since they don't have to remake most components. Parts become cheaper for them and profits become higher. And of course sheeple follow and eat it up and buy up a storm. And Apple makes profits. Yay.

Shockingly ignorant post, the kind of hyperbole that makes listening to android fans tiring (and makes you all look like little kids)... Profits matter because support matters. Why is it so easy to get an iPhone repaired without waiting for your phone to be rmaed in Korea? Because Apple has healthy margins and can afford to give A+ support.

10% different? If you've read anything about the world class SOC then you'd understand the amount of engineering and R&D that went into that slick chip, without even mentioning 3d touch. Stop talking out of your ass.

 

[Artdeco]

Who gives a flying fuck about profits?

Because I hope the company that makes my stuff is still in business in a year?

Is Apple sharing any of that with you?

If you're a stockholder, yes, by appreciation of the stock and dividends, or if you own any tech related mutual funds in your retirement plan.

Do profits alone make a good phone.

No, and you know that, but you might check with HTC and BlackBerry employees about what it's like to get laid off.

Face it, Apple would put out turds and people would line up for it.

Really? My Newton is still booting up, will get back to you on that one.

Oh and you know why profits are so high? They take an existing phone and change like 10% of it. Add a new processor, or memory and call it a new phone. They reap in profits since they don't have to remake most components. Parts become cheaper for them and profits become higher. And of course sheeple follow and eat it up and buy up a storm. And Apple makes profits. Yay.

So consumers buying Apple products are stupid sheep, profits mean nothing, Apple never releases new products and you hate Capitalism, nice post, you learned me a lot, I see things quite differently now. And, did you miss the stickied post at the top of the forum?

 

[dainthomas]

So consumers buying Apple products are stupid sheep, profits mean nothing, Apple never releases new products and you hate Capitalism, nice post, you learned me a lot, I see things quite differently now.

I disagree with the stupid sheep part of his comment insofar as Apple consumers saw the larger screens Samsung, LG, HTC etc were putting out and demanded it. So eventually Apple caved. Although I do miss laughing at Apple users squinting at their 3.5 inch screens.

The next frontier is probably storage. $649 for 16gb? Rofl.

 

[Phynaz]

Who gives a flying fuck about profits? Is Apple sharing any of that with you? Do profits alone make a good phone. Face it, Apple would put out turds and people would line up for it.
Oh and you know why profits are so high? They take an existing phone and change like 10% of it. Add a new processor, or memory and call it a new phone. They reap in profits since they don't have to remake most components. Parts become cheaper for them and profits become higher. And of course sheeple follow and eat it up and buy up a storm. And Apple makes profits. Yay.

Jealous?

 

[sm625]

iPhones are expensive. Outrageously expensive. I use a LG G2 that I bought off swappa for $100. My last phone was a $150 phone. My next phone will be $100-$150. I might actually be tempted to go apple if there were similar deals available for older iphones. But there arent. A $100 iphone is crippled in comparison. Just for laughs I checked to see what you can get on swappa for $100. A iphone 4S. WTF? Comparing that to a LG G2 which has a snapdragon 800 and which runs lollipop? What an absolute disgrace. It's disgusting. Anyway, I will never pay more than that for a phone. With android you at least have an option if you dont want to blow a bunch of money on a stupid phone You actually have a choice of over a dozen decent phones for under $100. And they do the same thing a brand new top of the line smartphone could do two years ago. Newsflash: the world hasnt changed that much in two years. lol. Anything that was high end two years ago is still quite rather useful today.

 

[slackerinabox]

iPhones are expensive. Outrageously expensive. I use a LG G2 that I bought off swappa for $100. My last phone was a $150 phone. My next phone will be $100-$150. I might actually be tempted to go apple if there were similar deals available for older iphones. But there arent. A $100 iphone is crippled in comparison. Just for laughs I checked to see what you can get on swappa for $100. A iphone 4S. WTF? Comparing that to a LG G2 which has a snapdragon 800 and which runs lollipop? What an absolute disgrace. It's disgusting. Anyway, I will never pay more than that for a phone. With android you at least have an option if you dont want to blow a bunch of money on a stupid phone You actually have a choice of over a dozen decent phones for under $100. And they do the same thing a brand new top of the line smartphone could do two years ago. Newsflash: the world hasnt changed that much in two years. lol. Anything that was high end two years ago is still quite rather useful today.

The lG G2 is $100 because that's what the market demands (imagine how ripped off you'd feel if you paid full price).. People are much more willing to pay more for apple, so they sell it for more. simple economics. Me? I'm happy that I can upgrade every year for basically pocket change because my iPhone will continue to have stellar resale value, while your g2 will probably be in a 99 cent bin somewhere. I also tried the g3, felt like it would snap in two with some pressure.

 

[pm]

Please keep the profanity and the "sheeple" out of the thread. It's a technical forum, let's be technical in our discussion.

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Your Moderators

 

[sweenish]

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[WelshBloke]

If you're a stockholder, yes, by appreciation of the stock and dividends, or if you own any tech related mutual funds in your retirement plan.

People have been banned for pimping and concentrating on share price in this forum before. You should know that more than most. This forum is about devices not share prices.

Please keep the profanity and the "sheeple" out of the thread. It's a technical forum, let's be technical in our discussion.

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TBH this thread should have been locked from the start. A quick "show more posts from OP" would have shown that.

 

[Aristotelian]

I wouldn't call battery life the point that makes the iPhone superior to your Z3. I would say iOS is what makes the iPhone a superior smartphone.

You wouldn't call battery life "the point that makes the iPhone superior to [my] Z3" because its battery life (referring to the iPhone 6 and 6+) is inferior which, to some eyes, renders the Sony Xperia Z3 superior to the iPhone 6 or 6+.

If you prefer iOS to any other mobile operating system, congrats. But that subjective experience does not translate into the objective metric I'm referring to - that Apple users using usb power packs for their phones in the exact same usage scenario to me (where I don't need to use one) while at the same time claiming that their phone is superior (simpliciter), warrants a laugh from my end.

And my original point was meant to answer the question posed in the original post of this thread - the reason why the iPhone does not already sell more than it does is because (egads!) there are competitive products. In the same way as the new Vaio Z is being hailed in some parts as one of the best new laptops of 2015. In the same way as my Sony Vaio Z (with its sheet battery) was an incredible laptop that was only marred by people complaining about its price (a subjective complaint).

I still have an iPod nano second generation (for the analog out, to an RSA headphone amplifier to Ultimate Ears custom inner ear monitors), and I have also owned every iPhone prior to the iPhone 5. So I have no 'anti apple' bias: the point of my posts in this thread has been to undermine the ridiculous superiority complex that people who buy apple products tend to acquire over time, as if to rationalize their purchases.

If cell phones become a monetary status symbol it's laughable. I spend more on dinner at least once a month than an iPhone costs, and I'm deliberately making this seemingly arrogant point in order to ridicule the monetary/status symbol thing. You like iPhones - great. Buy them. But try to put something more substantial forward if you want to argue that the phone itself is superior to any Android offering.

 

[slackerinabox]

How ripped off would someone feel if they bought a phone at full retail and got the use out of it that they wanted? Are we talking about buying it at full price now, or at launch?

The same way that the market demands a higher price for iPhones, being ripped off is entirely subjective to how the consumer feels their money was used. It's why frothy fanboys exist; by being tools to anyone who thinks differently, they feel justified in their decisions.

I hate the yearly upgrade cycle argument. The high resale is nice, I'm not refuting that, nor am I refuting that the difference you pay each year is small compared to the full price of the new device. But you're not saving money in the sense that I think of saving money.

I paid $400 or so my N5 almost two years ago. So my investment has been $400 over the last 20 months.

Basic iPhone model two years ago was $650. Next year, you drop $75 for the new model (I think that's super generous, without looking at prices I assume they lose about double that). Now your investment is $725. Add this year, and your investment is $800.

I also don't use cases, and now you're very nearly forced to use one to maintain that resale value. Crap iPhones still sell for crap.

I realize you may have not paid full retail initially.

I equate it to buying a video game on a decent sale when you have no intention of playing it right away. By the time you actually get around to that game, you probably could have paid even less. I've done that multiple times. I saved money, but not really.

I get the appeal of playing with new toys every year, but the idea that it's a savings is, to me, only half true. I understand that our intentions toward our devices are very different.

I just never feel like it's an actual savings, the same way a carrier hardware subsidy isn't a savings. At least we're moving away from the latter, but plan prices didn't drop unless you're T-Mobile. That's a whole other beast.

tl;dr: I don't necessarily agree or disagree with your point.

Well, let's look at jump on demand - when my wife traded in her iPhone 6 she was able to get an iPhone 6s plus for something ridiculous like $10/month. I know it's a lease but, if we want to buy the phone at the end it's still at a (slight) discount. Sure, another monthly payment isn't ideal but, since we're saving a bundle over at&t already (we pay $120 for 4 lines), it all works out in the end and we have the luxury of a new phone every year if that's what we like (or we can buy it out at the end as well). Yes, it's a bit of a luxury but we like tech and I spend more money a month on candy bars. This is all possible because of the high resale value of the iPhone,

 

[sweenish]

I wasn't asking for a defense, just giving my view. You can keep doing what works for you. I'm not telling you you're wrong.

I have my things that I probably shouldn't spend money on either, and someone could use my exact argument against me. In fact, I'll just delete my previous post. It's not adding.

 

[mrochester]

You wouldn't call battery life "the point that makes the iPhone superior to [my] Z3" because its battery life (referring to the iPhone 6 and 6+) is inferior which, to some eyes, renders the Sony Xperia Z3 superior to the iPhone 6 or 6+.

If you prefer iOS to any other mobile operating system, congrats. But that subjective experience does not translate into the objective metric I'm referring to - that Apple users using usb power packs for their phones in the exact same usage scenario to me (where I don't need to use one) while at the same time claiming that their phone is superior (simpliciter), warrants a laugh from my end.

And my original point was meant to answer the question posed in the original post of this thread - the reason why the iPhone does not already sell more than it does is because (egads!) there are competitive products. In the same way as the new Vaio Z is being hailed in some parts as one of the best new laptops of 2015. In the same way as my Sony Vaio Z (with its sheet battery) was an incredible laptop that was only marred by people complaining about its price (a subjective complaint).

I still have an iPod nano second generation (for the analog out, to an RSA headphone amplifier to Ultimate Ears custom inner ear monitors), and I have also owned every iPhone prior to the iPhone 5. So I have no 'anti apple' bias: the point of my posts in this thread has been to undermine the ridiculous superiority complex that people who buy apple products tend to acquire over time, as if to rationalize their purchases.

If cell phones become a monetary status symbol it's laughable. I spend more on dinner at least once a month than an iPhone costs, and I'm deliberately making this seemingly arrogant point in order to ridicule the monetary/status symbol thing. You like iPhones - great. Buy them. But try to put something more substantial forward if you want to argue that the phone itself is superior to any Android offering.

You can't objectively measure subjective experiences. And subjective experiences are the most important part of buying new products.

 

[openwheel]

Every cell phone "lease" or "early upgrade" program is a BAD deal for the consumer. The numbers just don't add up. Scams.

 

[Red Storm]

Every cell phone "lease" or "early upgrade" program is a BAD deal for the consumer. The numbers just don't add up. Scams.

We got my wife a new 64GB 6S through T-Mobile's Jump (lease) program. $100 down, $360 over 18 months, after which we can either turn the phone in, or spend another $164 to buy and own the phone. So the total price of the phone comes out to $624 which is $100 cheaper than what Apple sells it for.

And once I sell her 5S for around $300, that 6S only ends up costing $324.

 

[Artdeco]

Every cell phone "lease" or "early upgrade" program is a BAD deal for the consumer. The numbers just don't add up. Scams.

If you run the numbers on TMobile's jump on demand program, it is a better deal than paying full price for the current generation of iPhones, I got 2 iPhones using the JOD program, and it saves about $140 per phone, with buying out the lease at the end of 18 months.

Grade school level math, and sweeping generalizations strike again.

 

[openwheel]

We got my wife a new 64GB 6S through T-Mobile's Jump (lease) program. $100 down, $360 over 18 months, after which we can either turn the phone in, or spend another $164 to buy and own the phone. So the total price of the phone comes out to $624 which is $100 cheaper than what Apple sells it for.

And once I sell her 5S for around $300, that 6S only ends up costing $324.

So after spending $460 using iPhone 6S, you can turn it in and net $0.00, or you can own the phone by spending another $164 (totaling $624, but by then the phone shall be discounted and outdated).

I guess the term "good deal" is relative, and I can see it from your view, but the numbers don't favor the consumer imho.

 

[Red Storm]

So after spending $460 using iPhone 6S, you can turn it in and net $0.00, or you can own the phone by spending another $164 (totaling $624, but by then the phone shall be discounted and outdated).

I guess the term "good deal" is relative, and I can see it from your view, but the numbers don't favor the consumer imho.

You can buy it outright whenever you want. Point is, Apple sells the same phone for $750, while T-Mobile sells it for $650. $100 difference. Factor in selling the older device (something I always do), and the price to own is even less.

If you're just talking about the general price of the phone, yes it is expensive, especially compared to competing products. But my wife prefers iOS so she gets iPhones.

 

[openwheel]

If you run the numbers on TMobile's jump on demand program, it is a better deal than paying full price for the current generation of iPhones, I got 2 iPhones using the JOD program, and it saves about $140 per phone, with buying out the lease at the end of 18 months.

Grade school level math, and sweeping generalizations strike again.

I can't argue with someone who can't do grade school level math. So enjoy your "discounted" iPhones. :hmm:

 

[openwheel]

You can buy it outright whenever you want. Point is, Apple sells the same phone for $750, while T-Mobile sells it for $650. $100 difference. Factor in selling the older device (something I always do), and the price to own is even less.

If you're just talking about the general price of the phone, yes it is expensive, especially compared to competing products. But my wife prefers iOS so she gets iPhones.

Just for my curiosity:

how much is the premium of Jump (per month)?
How much is your iPhone lease (per month) and how long?
Any Tax?
Any Fees?

 

[Artdeco]

I can't argue with someone who can't do grade school level math. So enjoy your "discounted" iPhones. :hmm:

openwheel, you can go to TMobile's website instead of insulting me.

Why are you participating in this forum if you're not going to believe anything, won't look for yourself, and be impolite?

 

[slackerinabox]

I can't argue with someone who can't do grade school level math. So enjoy your "discounted" iPhones. :hmm:

Why are you insulting him, he's absolutely right and you're wrong. I'm on old fashioned Jump and, since you asked, it costs $2 more per month than standard insurance (which I need, I've lost/dropped phones before)

 

[Red Storm]

Just for my curiosity:

how much is the premium of Jump (per month)?
How much is your iPhone lease (per month) and how long?
Any Tax?
Any Fees?

No premiums, there is no handset protection/insurance with this. You can have it, but that would cost more (I don't remember how much).

Lease length is 18 months, and it's $27 per month, but you get a $7 credit each month, so the actual cost is $20.