Why does the iphone not sell more than androids in the Western world?

[Artdeco]

You're making a mistake - inferring from fact to value. That's why you think I don't understand something which, in fact, you do not.

That iPhones can be sold one year later for more is (let's say) a fact. But not everyone resells their phone. However, everyone uses and charges their phone, and their use is affected by battery life.

So my criterion is objective in the sense that it is true for all usage cases and therefore the value generated in a Z3's superior battery life versus the 6 is an objective value and not subjective. Someone may like to resell their phones, and for that set of people resale value adds value. But since that's dependent on a specific value set that renders it a subjective concern in the overall analysis of the phone.

Hope that clarified things.

I stand by my statement.

Resale price is hard data, it is objective data, you're equivocating.

 

[mrochester]

You're making a mistake - inferring from fact to value. That's why you think I don't understand something which, in fact, you do not.

That iPhones can be sold one year later for more is (let's say) a fact. But not everyone resells their phone. However, everyone uses and charges their phone, and their use is affected by battery life.

So my criterion is objective in the sense that it is true for all usage cases and therefore the value generated in a Z3's superior battery life versus the 6 is an objective value and not subjective. Someone may like to resell their phones, and for that set of people resale value adds value. But since that's dependent on a specific value set that renders it a subjective concern in the overall analysis of the phone.

Hope that clarified things.

It makes sense, but it's a poor way to judge devices.

 

[Commodus]

I think we can settle the question this way: resale value is objective, but it's just one data point in a larger sea of them, and probably not the main determining factor. After all, you buy a phone for the hardware, not the cash you'll get when you sell it.

Battery life is definitely more important for a phone, but it would be wrong to say that this one advantage is so important that it outweighs everything else. The Xperia Z3 is not completely superior to the iPhone because it does one thing better (and arguably, the 6 Plus/6s Plus have similar longevity). Many have noted that the iPhone still takes better pictures despite the resolution difference, and it should be more comfortable to hold. It'll get timelier updates, too. The Z3 is absolutely a better phone for some folks... it's just not the unquestioned champion.

 

[slackerinabox]

I think we can settle the question this way: resale value is objective, but it's just one data point in a larger sea of them, and probably not the main determining factor. After all, you buy a phone for the hardware, not the cash you'll get when you sell it.

Battery life is definitely more important for a phone, but it would be wrong to say that this one advantage is so important that it outweighs everything else. The Xperia Z3 is not completely superior to the iPhone because it does one thing better (and arguably, the 6 Plus/6s Plus have similar longevity). Many have noted that the iPhone still takes better pictures despite the resolution difference, and it should be more comfortable to hold. It'll get timelier updates, too. The Z3 is absolutely a better phone for some folks... it's just not the unquestioned champion.

it's also clear that android fans like to state the deciding factors for EVERYONE, it's the weird green army conformity thing, which strikes me as odd based on how often thy fling the term "sheeple." I can understand how some people want burner phones, like my mom doesn't care so her moto g is perfection for her. I like upgrading yearly, and that's actually cheaper on the iphone. I also like a robust eco system, like it's super cool that the movies i purchased on my ipad show up on my apple tv, as just one of many examples. I fall for the docks/carplay/apple play to itunes ecosystem, but I can understand how some kids prefer usb / drag and drop. Me? I could never get miracast to work consistantly and apples walled garden because it's more foolpfoof.. But I understand CHOICE.

 

[Megatomic]

Me? I could never get miracast to work consistantly and apples walled garden because it's more foolpfoof.. But I understand CHOICE.

I don't think I've ever tried Miracast, but Chromecasting is a godsend. My OPO has a feature where I can send my screen to any Chromecast, not just media apps. I don't do it often but when I need to do it I am so glad that I can.

 

[dainthomas]

I don't think I've ever tried Miracast, but Chromecasting is a godsend. My OPO has a feature where I can send my screen to any Chromecast, not just media apps. I don't do it often but when I need to do it I am so glad that I can.

Chromecast is the best thing since sliced bread to me. I don't even use any of the apps on my bluray any more. Just pull up Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, Google Music etc on my phone and bam it's on my tv. Just the other day my gf sent me a youtube clip and I hit the cast button and it was instantly on my TV. Love it.

 

[Red Storm]

Chromecast is the best thing since sliced bread to me. I don't even use any of the apps on my bluray any more. Just pull up Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, Google Music etc on my phone and bam it's on my tv. Just the other day my gf sent me a youtube clip and I hit the cast button and it was instantly on my TV. Love it.

Yep it's the single greatest piece of tech of the past few years IMHO. It's used by everyone in our family with all our devices whether it's Android, iPhone, Chromebook, Windows, or Mac.

Funny that a $35 device is the most used gadget in our household.

 

[ControlD]

Chromecast is the best thing since sliced bread to me. I don't even use any of the apps on my bluray any more. Just pull up Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, Google Music etc on my phone and bam it's on my tv. Just the other day my gf sent me a youtube clip and I hit the cast button and it was instantly on my TV. Love it.

This is slightly off topic, so I apologize in advance, but since the Chromecast has come up ...

Can you cast something like Netflix to your TV and have the audio over bluetooth from the device you are casting from? So the picture would be on the TV but the audio is coming over bluetooth from your phone/tablet?

 

[slackerinabox]

I don't think I've ever tried Miracast, but Chromecasting is a godsend. My OPO has a feature where I can send my screen to any Chromecast, not just media apps. I don't do it often but when I need to do it I am so glad that I can.

When I got it (I'm an early adopter sort) I thought it was kinda cool but was a little annoyed that every app wasn't supported. Does it work at the OS level now, like airplay? That would be really convenient, though I like how apple tv has a human interface on top for when my wife wants to watch hulu. Roku gets it right, I like to use it's built in wifi-direct since I'm still on samsung (my wife's 6s plus came in and is the best phone i've ever used, I'm still waiting and am backordered).

 

[dainthomas]

This is slightly off topic, so I apologize in advance, but since the Chromecast has come up ...

Can you cast something like Netflix to your TV and have the audio over bluetooth from the device you are casting from? So the picture would be on the TV but the audio is coming over bluetooth from your phone/tablet?

That's a good question. I've never tried that, but I don't see why it couldn't work.

 

[Red Storm]

That's a good question. I've never tried that, but I don't see why it couldn't work.

I don't think that it will work. Remember your phone is not streaming Netflix, the Chromecast is. I haven't tested it though.

 

[Megatomic]

I don't think that it will work. Remember your phone is not streaming Netflix, the Chromecast is. I haven't tested it though.

I think I agree. When you cast from Netflix or Hulu or whichever app you want the Chromecast then streams the content directly from the source. The act of casting from the phone/tablet/etc... just initiates the process. Many's the time my phone has disconnected from the Chromecast but the content continues to stream properly.

I love our Chromecasts. We have 4 of them in our house and we rarely ever use the HD DVR boxes anymore.

 

[finbarqs]

I like iPhones because Taylor Swift has one. And she talks into her iPhone. It's the closest I'll ever be next to her mouth...

 

[Aristotelian]

I stand by my statement.

Resale price is hard data, it is objective data, you're equivocating.

I don't think that you understand what equivocating means. This began with the following statement:

Apple products are superior for their resale value alone imho.

And let's link that statement to this one:

it's also clear that android fans like to state the deciding factors for EVERYONE, it's the weird green army conformity thing, which strikes me as odd based on how often thy fling the term "sheeple."

To quickly highlight (within the matter of a few posts) something quite funny. Nowhere did I attempt to state a deciding factor for everyone, I merely pointed out that battery life is important to everyone. Whereas resale value is not. So your accusation, slackerinabox, applies to QueBert's post rather aptly. And generic behaviour that I have tried to describe.

Now, more on the substance:

I think we can settle the question this way: resale value is objective, but it's just one data point in a larger sea of them, and probably not the main determining factor. After all, you buy a phone for the hardware, not the cash you'll get when you sell it.

Battery life is definitely more important for a phone, but it would be wrong to say that this one advantage is so important that it outweighs everything else. The Xperia Z3 is not completely superior to the iPhone because it does one thing better (and arguably, the 6 Plus/6s Plus have similar longevity). Many have noted that the iPhone still takes better pictures despite the resolution difference, and it should be more comfortable to hold. It'll get timelier updates, too. The Z3 is absolutely a better phone for some folks... it's just not the unquestioned champion.

And nowhere did I say that it is the unquestioned champion - there are better phones than the Z3. My posts in this thread have been designed to explain why the iPhone (and more broadly, Apple's products) are not the amazing be all and end all in hardware that exists. And that plenty of people who 'have money' do not buy iPhones because they do not find them so impressive. I valued battery life above all when I bought the Z3 and, well, it did extremely well in that category while still taking good photos and good videos, was comfortable to hold and had an SD card slot so that I could - store the photos and videos on the phone and easily transfer them.

To support my position, I showed that the iPhone 6/6 plus battery life leads some in my business world to use battery packs whereas I have not needed to use one with my Z3 while at the same time facing ridicule for apparently owning a vastly inferior product.

And because people don't buy into the Apple superiority complex that accompanies the hardware, I described this as one (of many answers) to show why the iPhone does not sell more than it already does. Nowhere did I say that it is a bad phone. Just that it is not as "superior" as people make it out to be.

And finally, there is a semantics problem here. You can measure resale value but you do not infer from the fact that the resale value of x is higher than the resale value of y that x is therefore superior to why. Because resale value is most definitely not important to everyone, and therefore not an objective criterion to use when assessing superiority of one product over another. Whereas battery life is. A criterion. Not the sole criterion to use when buying a phone.

 

[Rakehellion]

There are far more choices for android besides samsung

Isn't Samsung the best selling Android manufacturer?

Seems like nerds on a computer forum are confusing their personal preference for what everyone else wants.

 

[Rakehellion]

Ah the boring generic comment from a iPhone user. I will give you a very simple example of what kind of obvious/basic things you can't do with iPhone.
Bluetooth transfer cannot be done on any other phone except iPhone itself. Now, how stupid is that?
Enjoy your iphone. A stupid smartphone!

Percentage of phone users who even know what Bluetooth transfer is?

 

[lopri]

This thread is uncommonly silly even by the usual sheep standard.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Seems like nerds on a computer forum are confusing their personal preference for what everyone else wants.