why does p4 suck??

[TomEGunn]

Even with a bus speed of 400 Mhz??:Q

 

[Dark4ng3l]

1 Poor fpu
2 poor ipc
3 rambus
4 price

Those are just the main 4 I can think of right now.

 

[han888]

actually is not really suck because of the price make people said the p4 suck i will choose p4 over thunderbird system if the price is almost the same

 

[TomEGunn]

i have a Dell P4 system on the way, the thing has to be faster than my P3 450.

 

[GaryTcs]

The P4 doesn't really suck, it just doesn't live up to the high standards we would expect from Intel. Mandatory Rambus memory sucks. The 4*100 bus, although fast, really limits the fsb overclocking we now take for granted in Celerons, so in that respect sucks. The fact that it would be outperformed by a same clock speed Pentium 3 sucks. (at least for today) The soon to be outdated 423 pin pga sucks. Athlon 1.2ghz is equal to the 1.4ghz p4 in performance sucks. The extra pipelines may wind up sucking, too. The Price sucks big time!

Well, now that I read my post, I've realized that the current Pentium 4's do suck!

Han, the price of P4's is outrageously high compared to Thunderbirds' right now, so what's that all about?

 

[Dark4ng3l]

<< i will choose p4 over thunderbird system if the price is almost the same >>


Here in canada you can get a t-bird 1.1 ghz for about 650$ and a p4 1.5 ghz for 1955$ I see a big price difference dont you?

 

[Dark4ng3l]

I just looked at the p4 benchmarks at intel's site and they only compare the 1.4 ghz to the 1.5 ghz. I think they know p3's would be faster so they excluded them for their benchmarks lol.

 

[GaryTcs]

I think Tom's tested the p3 to p4 clock for clock, and the p3 whooped ass on the p4. Too bad.

 

[paulip88]

Two reasons why the P4 sucks:

1. No current software optimizations.
2. 1.4GHz and 1.5GHz are slow starting speeds given the 20-step pipeline.

 

[Spoooon]

[H]ard|OCP had a link to a few benchmarks of a guy that overclocked his P4 to 1.8Ghz. The site was in Japanese, but it had a bunch of screenshots.

If I had the money, I would probably buy a P4 too. But since I don't, I'll stick with my Athlon.

 

[Zedfu]

i think intel's rushing trying to compete with amd by releasing products before their actual due date. if they're gonna do something, why not do it right? the p4's suffering from overheating and being recalled.

 

P4 really does not suck.
It sucks in the eyes of these overclocking techies that only pay 140 for a processor that will OC to 1Ghz.
Yes the price margin is amazingly wide, but it JUST came out.
Expect overpricing.
But the market isnt designed for techies or overclockers.
Its designed for companies that actually have real amounts of money and have a reason to pay for new technology. Us joe schmoe techie geeks, in the monetary value of things, mean squat to intel.
This place I work for spent more money on intel based machines then this entire BBS has in an entire year.
In the future when the technology is actually taken advantage of
I know that everyone here will be like, wow, im ditching my old cpu to pick up a p4@ 3Ghz. Every processor that has been released has been scrutinized and picked apart and had bad reviews etc.
But what are you using now? I bet its not our old p-120 and p-133s that everyone used in the past.
Clock for clock its slower then a p3 now.
But, based on what standards? Old software standards that can hardly handle the instruction sets in the p3's?
Some people are counting out a flagship processor from a leader in chip manufacturing, before its potential is even documented, let alone proven.
Shame to see the same attitude that the leaders of the industry now, once had about their 640K of ram.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

SammySon you are just saying that p4 doesnt suck just because it was not meant for us normal users?? Im sorry to tell you that your argument changes nothing the p4 still performs slower than todays amd cpu's(and p3's) witch are clocked slower. Now that sucks.

 

[GaryTcs]

Wow sammy, I didn't realize that the p4 was avaliable in 3ghz. I'll run right out and get one! Talk about the here and now. I don't give a crap what the processor can (maybe) scale up to, it doesn't perform as we should expect. The p4 1.4 ghz should perform at 40% above the p3 1ghz just by the increase in clock speed. This doesn't even take into account that it is a generation more advanced, nor the better capability of rambus (compared to sdram). It doesn't. Period.

I was under the (mistaken) impression that we are the market for high end processors. I've bought over a dozen in the last couple of years, and probably most people here are about the same. How many companies replace workstations 6 times a year, or buy the most current processor? I chose a Duron on this go about because of the challenge of possibly doubling the clock speed, not so much as price. This is only my second AMD processor, but I think it's pretty damn cool that a $65 processor can compete with the $900 Intel unit. (although I probably have spent the difference getting there)What exactly would the corporate motivation be for a 10% faster workstation at double the price? I mean couldn't they just add 128mb of ram for $40?

Let it ramp up, maybe when the new socket is in place, and ddr ram is supported, I'll check into one. I'm not suggesting that the whole platform will suck, just the current product. Oh, and someone got ripped off if they paid $140 for a processor that can only get to 1ghz!!!