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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
hm i just read up on it, and not once did i hear one of the pro's of it was it's natural test, but more it's long shelf life. As much processing as it has to go through to survive 6 months without refridgeration, i really have to wonder what it tastes like.
:Q

Milk can hardly go 6 hours without refridgeration, let alone 6 months.... Dunno what you were reading. :p
Never seen UHT milk before?
http://www.diversifiedfoods.com/DFI_BordenUHTmilk.htm

It's not bad, reminds me of soy milk, but better.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
hm i just read up on it, and not once did i hear one of the pro's of it was it's natural test, but more it's long shelf life. As much processing as it has to go through to survive 6 months without refridgeration, i really have to wonder what it tastes like.
:Q

Milk can hardly go 6 hours without refridgeration, let alone 6 months.... Dunno what you were reading. :p

?We can now tap the western and north-eastern markets for our products as the shelf life of milk has dramatically increased from 10 hours to four months due to tetrapak containers,?
http://in.biz.yahoo.com/040409/26/2che9.html

The tetrapak variety has been processed so that the milk retains its quality for up to 6 months without refrigeration
http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/48140-1.html

Do i need to find more?

No you don't but that is not the normal procedure for milk in TetraPak.
TetraPak > Platic containers.

I'm not sure where you're getting this from. All i've read is that it's only good for shelf live, but i haven't read anything about taste. This is 60s technology we're talking about here.

1963 Parmalat introduces Tetrapak to package its long-life milk products
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1115471,00.html
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
hm i just read up on it, and not once did i hear one of the pro's of it was it's natural test, but more it's long shelf life. As much processing as it has to go through to survive 6 months without refridgeration, i really have to wonder what it tastes like.
:Q

Milk can hardly go 6 hours without refridgeration, let alone 6 months.... Dunno what you were reading. :p

?We can now tap the western and north-eastern markets for our products as the shelf life of milk has dramatically increased from 10 hours to four months due to tetrapak containers,?
http://in.biz.yahoo.com/040409/26/2che9.html

The tetrapak variety has been processed so that the milk retains its quality for up to 6 months without refrigeration
http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/48140-1.html

Do i need to find more?
:confused:

I don't think we're talking about the same TetraPak here...... lol

Or maybe the company TetraPak has developed a new container for milk, or something.

It would seem to be that the shelf life of milk would be just as much dependant on the way the milk is treated, as the container. So I agree, I don't think I want to be drinking milk with a 6 month no refrigeration shelf life. :Q
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Anubis
google images doesnt find this for me someone post a damn pic of what the hell you are talking about

Do a search for TetraPak <--- spelled as one word.

i did and got boobs

The winnar!!!

Bra with a hatch, right? ;)

yea its actually really damn funny
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
hm i just read up on it, and not once did i hear one of the pro's of it was it's natural test, but more it's long shelf life. As much processing as it has to go through to survive 6 months without refridgeration, i really have to wonder what it tastes like.
:Q

Milk can hardly go 6 hours without refridgeration, let alone 6 months.... Dunno what you were reading. :p

?We can now tap the western and north-eastern markets for our products as the shelf life of milk has dramatically increased from 10 hours to four months due to tetrapak containers,?
http://in.biz.yahoo.com/040409/26/2che9.html

The tetrapak variety has been processed so that the milk retains its quality for up to 6 months without refrigeration
http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/48140-1.html

Do i need to find more?
:confused:

I don't think we're talking about the same TetraPak here...... lol

Or maybe the company TetraPak has developed a new container for milk, or something.

It would seem to be that the shelf life of milk would be just as much dependant on the way the milk is treated, as the container. So I agree, I don't think I want to be drinking milk with a 6 month no refrigeration shelf life. :Q
You're correct, it's a High Temperature Treatment + Aseptic container (tetrapak designed) that allows for long shelf lives. And it really doesn't taste bad, a lot of airlines carry it on their planes now.
 

minendo

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
hm i just read up on it, and not once did i hear one of the pro's of it was it's natural test, but more it's long shelf life. As much processing as it has to go through to survive 6 months without refridgeration, i really have to wonder what it tastes like.
:Q

Milk can hardly go 6 hours without refridgeration, let alone 6 months.... Dunno what you were reading. :p

?We can now tap the western and north-eastern markets for our products as the shelf life of milk has dramatically increased from 10 hours to four months due to tetrapak containers,?
http://in.biz.yahoo.com/040409/26/2che9.html

The tetrapak variety has been processed so that the milk retains its quality for up to 6 months without refrigeration
http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/48140-1.html

Do i need to find more?
:confused:

I don't think we're talking about the same TetraPak here...... lol

Or maybe the company TetraPak has developed a new container for milk, or something.

It would seem to be that the shelf life of milk would be just as much dependant on the way the milk is treated, as the container. So I agree, I don't think I want to be drinking milk with a 6 month no refrigeration shelf life. :Q

The second article clearly states the the milk is processed differently. It is ulta high temperature processing and the processed milk is shelf stable.
 
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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
hm i just read up on it, and not once did i hear one of the pro's of it was it's natural test, but more it's long shelf life. As much processing as it has to go through to survive 6 months without refridgeration, i really have to wonder what it tastes like.
:Q

Milk can hardly go 6 hours without refridgeration, let alone 6 months.... Dunno what you were reading. :p

?We can now tap the western and north-eastern markets for our products as the shelf life of milk has dramatically increased from 10 hours to four months due to tetrapak containers,?
http://in.biz.yahoo.com/040409/26/2che9.html

The tetrapak variety has been processed so that the milk retains its quality for up to 6 months without refrigeration
http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/48140-1.html

Do i need to find more?

No you don't but that is not the normal procedure for milk in TetraPak.
TetraPak > Platic containers.

I'm not sure where you're getting this from. All i've read is that it's only good for shelf live, but i haven't read anything about taste. This is 60s technology we're talking about here.

1963 Parmalat introduces Tetrapak to package its long-life milk products
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1115471,00.html

I know it's old.

I was commenting on the taste of milk packaged in TetraPak vs. Plastic.
Do a test, you have to taste the difference!!! If you don't I'd be amazed.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
hm i just read up on it, and not once did i hear one of the pro's of it was it's natural test, but more it's long shelf life. As much processing as it has to go through to survive 6 months without refridgeration, i really have to wonder what it tastes like.
:Q

Milk can hardly go 6 hours without refridgeration, let alone 6 months.... Dunno what you were reading. :p

?We can now tap the western and north-eastern markets for our products as the shelf life of milk has dramatically increased from 10 hours to four months due to tetrapak containers,?
http://in.biz.yahoo.com/040409/26/2che9.html

The tetrapak variety has been processed so that the milk retains its quality for up to 6 months without refrigeration
http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/48140-1.html

Do i need to find more?
:confused:

I don't think we're talking about the same TetraPak here...... lol

Or maybe the company TetraPak has developed a new container for milk, or something.

It would seem to be that the shelf life of milk would be just as much dependant on the way the milk is treated, as the container. So I agree, I don't think I want to be drinking milk with a 6 month no refrigeration shelf life. :Q


Which is why i'm curious what it tastes like. I have seen these milk on store shelves before (my parents store sell the Soy version of these), so i might pick one up and check it out sometime this week.
 

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It still comes in that paper box over here... last time I checked, it commonly came in plastic bags in China.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
hm i just read up on it, and not once did i hear one of the pro's of it was it's natural test, but more it's long shelf life. As much processing as it has to go through to survive 6 months without refridgeration, i really have to wonder what it tastes like.
:Q

Milk can hardly go 6 hours without refridgeration, let alone 6 months.... Dunno what you were reading. :p

?We can now tap the western and north-eastern markets for our products as the shelf life of milk has dramatically increased from 10 hours to four months due to tetrapak containers,?
http://in.biz.yahoo.com/040409/26/2che9.html

The tetrapak variety has been processed so that the milk retains its quality for up to 6 months without refrigeration
http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/48140-1.html

Do i need to find more?
:confused:

I don't think we're talking about the same TetraPak here...... lol

Or maybe the company TetraPak has developed a new container for milk, or something.

It would seem to be that the shelf life of milk would be just as much dependant on the way the milk is treated, as the container. So I agree, I don't think I want to be drinking milk with a 6 month no refrigeration shelf life. :Q


Which is why i'm curious what it tastes like. I have seen these milk on store shelves before (my parents store sell the Soy version of these), so i might pick one up and check it out sometime this week.
FrustratedUser isn't talking about the ultra-shelf life milk, I don't think.

We are just talking about normal paper cartons and regular, normally pasturized milk that lasts 2 weeks in the fridge. :p
 

Looney

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I know it's old.

I was commenting on the taste of milk packaged in TetraPak vs. Plastic.
Do a test, you have to taste the difference!!! If you don't I'd be amazed.

Maybe you're use to the tetrapak version that all others seem odd to you? Like i said, my parents sell the Tetrapak version of Soy drinks, and it does taste slightly different than the fresh one. But to be honest, i'm not too sure if that's because there really is a difference in the way they're treated, or because one brand is different than the other, so one has a higher sugar content than the other.
 
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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Hardcore
hm i just read up on it, and not once did i hear one of the pro's of it was it's natural test, but more it's long shelf life. As much processing as it has to go through to survive 6 months without refridgeration, i really have to wonder what it tastes like.
:Q

Milk can hardly go 6 hours without refridgeration, let alone 6 months.... Dunno what you were reading. :p

?We can now tap the western and north-eastern markets for our products as the shelf life of milk has dramatically increased from 10 hours to four months due to tetrapak containers,?
http://in.biz.yahoo.com/040409/26/2che9.html

The tetrapak variety has been processed so that the milk retains its quality for up to 6 months without refrigeration
http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/48140-1.html

Do i need to find more?
:confused:

I don't think we're talking about the same TetraPak here...... lol

Or maybe the company TetraPak has developed a new container for milk, or something.

It would seem to be that the shelf life of milk would be just as much dependant on the way the milk is treated, as the container. So I agree, I don't think I want to be drinking milk with a 6 month no refrigeration shelf life. :Q


Which is why i'm curious what it tastes like. I have seen these milk on store shelves before (my parents store sell the Soy version of these), so i might pick one up and check it out sometime this week.
FrustratedUser isn't talking about the ultra-shelf life milk, I don't think.

We are just talking about normal paper cartons and regular, normally pasturized milk that lasts 2 weeks in the fridge. :p


The winnar!
I am not talking about the special treatment for those ultra-long-shelf-life milk brands which just happened to be shipped in a TetraPak container.

I am talking about normal pasteurized milk in TetraPak (carton) vs. plastic.
 

Eli

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I think TetraPak is just the brand name of the company that makes a lot of cartons. Most of those classic foldable-spout type cartons seem to be made by TetraPak. I guess those kind of containers have gotten the name of their brand name, sorta like Kleenex = facial tissue.

The containers and the milk in them isn't special in any way. We've always bought the half gallon cartons, but since my girlfriend is living here, we usually just buy the plastic gallon..
 

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the only milk here that comes in plastic bottles are the smaller 'single' sizes, other sizes are all cartons, unless you get the bigass jumbo jug

i couldnt tell the difference anyhow
 
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Originally posted by: Eli
I think TetraPak is just the brand name of the company that makes a lot of cartons. Most of those classic foldable-spout type cartons seem to be made by TetraPak. I guess those kind of containers have gotten the name of their brand name, sorta like Kleenex = facial tissue.

The containers and the milk in them isn't special in any way. We've always bought the half gallon cartons, but since my girlfriend is living here, we usually just buy the plastic gallon..

Correct.

Can you do an A / B test?
Buy 1/2 gallon of each and try. Do you taste the difference?
I sure do.
 

i've had the long life milk out of the box (was in philippines, they had a closet full...which confused me when they told me to get milk out of the closet....)

i've never had, nor seen fresh (cold) milk in the box though
then again, the midwest is years behind when it comes to things like that

i remember when cherry pepsi came out when i was a kid, it was all over out west when i was on vacation...but it didn't show up where i live for another 6 or 8 months
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Eli
I think TetraPak is just the brand name of the company that makes a lot of cartons. Most of those classic foldable-spout type cartons seem to be made by TetraPak. I guess those kind of containers have gotten the name of their brand name, sorta like Kleenex = facial tissue.

The containers and the milk in them isn't special in any way. We've always bought the half gallon cartons, but since my girlfriend is living here, we usually just buy the plastic gallon..

Correct.

Can you do an A / B test?
Buy 1/2 gallon of each and try. Do you taste the difference?
I sure do.
Yeah, I can taste the difference.. I'd rather have the cartons. I don't really drink enough milk to actually care though, and when I do it's in something like cereal, or used for baking, so it isn't as noticable.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
I grew up on milk in TetraPak so moving here and getting the plastic taste was a shock.
The Horizon milk ownz but the price is just ridiculous.

Yeah I get Horizon. I hardly drink any though. I seem to have developed lactose intolerance. So yesterday I bought a carton of whole milk since I figure it's probably better for cooking. Horizons lasts FOREVER. I once drank some from a carton that was opened about 2 months before. I posted a thread.
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
I grew up on milk in TetraPak so moving here and getting the plastic taste was a shock.
The Horizon milk ownz but the price is just ridiculous.

Yeah I get Horizon. I hardly drink any though. I seem to have developed lactose intolerance. So yesterday I bought a carton of whole milk since I figure it's probably better for cooking. Horizons lasts FOREVER. I once drank some from a carton that was opened about 2 months before. I posted a thread.



Horizon is UHT (ultra high temperature) processed. That means it goes through a different pastuerization process at a higher temp but lower time. It can survive literally for months. In fact some varieties can survive for 3-6 months with no refrigeration (must be refrigerated after opening though).