Why does man war?

Moonbeam

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Some body wanted a two word answer and somebody else didn't like that mine was a couple a more.

This was mine: The cause of war.


Ignorance of human nature.

Humans developed a full functioning representational, symbolic language probably sometime in the last 200,000 years. This language allowed for something that could never have occurred before, the development of thought and the impression of time, the ability to symbolically self represent oneself as an ego separate from experience. Humans developed the capacity to step out of the stream of being and analyze their situation, self talk to themselves about what is happening. Coupled to this, via the pain pleasure response, the fight flight mechanisms, our capacity to suffer organic terror and pain, language included the capacity to represent reality in dually as good and evil. The capacity to represent experience, individuals and things as good and evil allowed for the development of words the intent of which is to put down. Thus came the capacity to control by words, to put into words the experience of terror and pain. The behavior of man became a tool of manipulation by language. The ability to control with words, to terrorize with words, to inflict pain with words, to symbolically connect a feeling to a thing, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, took man out of the garden and straight to hell. Why?

Every human being is born with the capacity to experience pain and terror and every human being does. What we have all forgotten is just how great that capacity is. You can't sit in your chair and feel how terrified or how hurt you can be. You are armored to protect yourself from that experience. You have learned to dampen down that experience. You are defended, armed to the teeth to prevent that from happening. You have no conscious memory of how deeply you can feel how deeply you were hurt. Every human being has been through a concentration camp from hell. Every human being has been made to feel like he is the worst person in the world because every human being, born completely without sophisticated mental defense, feels pain and terror to the maximum human extent and can't any longer remember. Every human being has been told that what they were before that experience, before the sh!t hit the fan, was that being perfect and undefended was the greatest evil in the world. We were all put down, controlled by words, made to feel as bad as humans can feel.

But the human child cannot survive in a maximized state of pain. We are organically equipped with the capacity to forget, to come down. All that's left is the residual terror of returning to that state, being what we were before it occurred, alive and mentally healthy. We learn to conform, to defend by playing the word game. We become exactly what we fear. We spend the rest of our lives making sure that evil is the other guy. And the other guy is doing the same thing to us.

This is why man goes to war. He would rather kill or die than remember.

Bad as that is, though, it's not the worst. We are like moths to a flame. We left our lives, our true selves, our undivided being back there in infancy. We don't know what is wrong but we know something is. We hunger; we cave for our original selves. This impels us for the sake of our lost life to return to the scene of the crime. We want to experience terror and fear, to do battle with put down. We long to be whole again. But we do it in such a way as to get close but without remembering. We have to tempt the fates. We walk up to deaths door for our vicarious life. We seek out situations that art like the ones in which our spirit died. Man is headed for extinction so he can remember. We recreate the means by which we died. We have to. We are human. It's how we are.
 

Tab

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Too much reading. Other than that, i skimmed it. I dont belive thats the majority of why war happens.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
It think it's because man is really bored.

Man is bored for the same reason, he can't contact the source of life, his deepest self.

 

tcsenter

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Why does man war?
What else is there to do to pass the time? Sheesh, you can only do so much fishing or reading or web-surfing before you start climbing the walls. Might as well join the military, ship off to some clusterf-ck backasswards dungheap to kill people and break things. Takes the edge off the boredom and monotony.
 

LunarRay

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"... It is the instinct in man, out of his feeling of weakness, to form groups which are more powerful than himself. These groups pit themselves against each other. They vie for dominance and control of the sources of wealth to make their own group more powerful and other groups submissive." ( from someplace once upon a time...)
 

JellyBaby

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The sneaky Scientoligists believe in removing your bad brain engrams (memories of traumatic experiences from childhood) in order to free you from yourself. The therapy, of course, can only be done by scientoligists via the methods outlined in Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard (available in paperback wherever hard copies are sold).

Or do we, as Captain Kirk put it in Star Trek V, "need our pain"? This was Kirk's response to a pesky Vulcan who gained control of others by removing their Secret Pain and wanted to do the same to Kirk and crew. Kirk felt our past moments of "less-than-perfect" experiences strengthened us and allowed us to endure.

In any case, I find it ironic that we had to make war with animals for tens of thousands of years in order to eat them, consuming their rich protein which facilitated the evolution of our big brains, the same big brains that today allow us to pose the question, "Why does man war?"
 

Moonbeam

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Part of the torture was to say you loved it. It's hostage syndrome. The connection between war and meat seems a bit thin in my opinion.
 

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I think it has to do with the human desire to see others suffer. If they are different enough from us, it is even a source of pride and comfort. Witness the latest travesty. People could not get enough blood on someone elses hands. We make killing FUN!
 

CADsortaGUY

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Or maybe the most simple answer is the animal instinct we still posess even after our "Big Brain Evolution". Animals are territorial to some extent - did we learn it from them? or them us? Animals attack and kill other animals - did they learn this from us? or us them?

Doesn't matter though because the real answer lies in a place most here scoff.;)

CkG

 

LunarRay

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"... Where do these external conflicts come from? Every human being is functioning from inner conflicts. The cause of these inner conflicts are our nature. The brain, and its physical and functional aspects, is a compartmentalized structure. Without educational intervention, especially in early childhood development, we are all destined to this nature. The results of compartmentalization of the brain is that it competes with itself. That is, one aspect of the brain vies for dominance over another part of the brain. For example, we each have ideas within us that conflict. Also, we have desires that conflict. This inner state of conflict is continuous and manifests itself in conflict between persons, groups and nations.

To be for war is to desire death for other human beings. Yet, to be against war is also a form of hate. For to be against anything is a form of hatred. Like during the Vietnam War, this is the beginning of the escalation of another cycle of international and domestic conflict. Hatred exists on both sides of every issue. It is our very instinct and nature, as we actually desire conflict..."

Quote in part from somewhere over the rainbow.
 

Bulk Beef

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Some body wanted a two word answer and somebody else didn't like that mine was a couple a more.
I didn't say I didn't like it. I just pointed out that it didn't meet the requirements of the assignment. Since you made up a new assignment, maybe you'll get an A here.

As for why we war, I think it is a basic instinct, one that predates our capacity for rational thought, much less speech. We war because we are animals; we war because we always have.
 

HappyPuppy

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Hmmm. Maybe that's why the thought of dieing doesn't bother me. Death is just another adventure.
 

etech

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Moonbeam,

You really should quit taking your own little neuroses and trying to explain the grown up world with them.
 

B00ne

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War has 2 resons only:

1. economic: One group of ppl thinks it can get economic gain by subduing the opposite faction (influence, land, recources, food, labour ...)

2. freedom: One group of ppl is subdued by another for economic reasons, when it becomes to much ppl revolt
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bleep
Ckg
Well! another one.

Bleep

? you seem to be having a problem with my posts. If you wish to discuss it(your problem with my posts;)) please PM me, if not, then kindly refrain from calling me out and then not saying anything.
Thanks :)

CkG
 

alchemize

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"Man war" because he's discussion his position, and the person he negotiates with spews out some psychobabble junk just like this. So he gets tired of it, and slaps the person babbling.