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Why does it take 5 hours to burn one dvd??

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TheRaven2156

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Im burning my Dvd's using DVD Shrink 3.2 (Taking back-ups on vacation with me and leaving originals at home). But its taking forever to do it.... almost 5 hours..... is this normal?? (The only things running in the background are Windows XP, AnyDvd and Norton Antivirus) Im currently in the process of building a new computer but here are the specs of my current system....

CPU:AMD Athlon XP, 1533 MHz (11.5 x 133) 1800+
Motherboard: ECS K7VMM
Ram: 1024 mb pc133 SDRAM

I just realized the last time i updated my BIOS is 2002 could that have anything to do with the problem (should i update it?)

EDIT: Im also using a Plextor Px-712a and im burning at a low speed cause my buddy told me i will run into problems if i go faster than 2x (should i increase the speed anyways or is he right?)
 
Make sure the dvd burner IS NOT in PIO mode.

And make sure it IS in DMA mode.

^forget all this, didn't read OP's post right.
 
That's a whole heck of a lot slower than when I make one.

Scanning and encoding a DVD takes half an hour or less for me and then I burn at 12x.
No issues burning at 12x for me.
 
Ok i believe this is what your asking here are my current settings.....

Primary IDE Channel: Device 0: Device Type: Auto Detection
Transfer Mode: DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode: Ultra DMA Mode 5
Device 1: Device Type: Auto Detection
Transfer Mode: DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode: Not Applicable

Secondary IDE Channel: Device 0: Device Type: Auto Detection
Transfer Mode: DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode: Ultra DMA Mode 2
Device 1😀evice Type: Auto Detection
Transfer Mode: PIO Only
Current Transfer Mode: PIO Mode

 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
How long is your encoding time and how long is the burn for one of these that takes up 5 hours?
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It analysis twice (is that normal? Dont do much burning dvd's)

The first Analysis takes about 2 min
The Second Analysis takes anywhere from 1-2 hours
The Encoding takes from anywhere from 1-2 hours
The Burning takes about 30-45 min

This fastest ive burnt a dvd mind you ive only done like 6 so far was 3 hours....... my longest was over 6 hours (but that only happen once)
 
Analyzing on mine takes about 2 minutes, then I can go straight to encoding it, which might take 20 or 30 minutes.

I'm using 3.2 also, so something is definately up.

I have an A64 3200+, but I can't imagine it taking that much longer on an AXP 1800+ just due to processing power.
 
What speed do u burn the DVD's at? Also should i just skip the analysis before encoding will it hurt the playback of the Dvd's? Why is there a second analysis at all than?
 
I just noticed that on my DVD Shrink it states that it burns at a rate of 1,634 kb/s...... is that normal?

Thanks to all replies above, and to all replies im going to recieve!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: TheRaven2156
What speed do u burn the DVD's at? Also should i just skip the analysis before encoding will it hurt the playback of the Dvd's? Why is there a second analysis at all than?
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burn as fast as the media will let me. I had some 4x media that made me burn that slowly, but my TY value discs are burning at 12x with no issues.

The steps I take are
1. Put disc in drive
2. Hit open disc (it then analyzes the disc for a couple minutes)
3. If it can all fit without compression, I then backup the full disc which goes right to encoding and takes around 25 minutes
if it can't all fit, I re-author to just the movie and a single DTS or DD soundtrack and cut off most of the credits to try to get the most quality out of it. The encoding again will take about 25 minutes if I do this instead of the full disc.
4. Remove source disc and insert a blank DVD
5. Burn a video DVD in Nero will take 15 minutes or less with a full data integrity check
 
if i go faster than 2x
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Please...

I rip with DVD Decrypter and do the rest with DVD Shrink which after it encodes the resulting files uses Nero for the burn.
I was getting some coasters with using DVD Shrink for the rip.
 
Well i got it work.... but im curious to know why this fixed it.... heres what i changed in my DVD Shrink 3.2 setting.... can anyone tell me why this made it go from 5 hours to 30 minutes?????

I checkmarked hide audio and subpicture streams of insignificant size
For Select DirectX Video Renderer i selected VMR-9 (instead of system default renderer)

And thats all i changed...... any idea why this made a drastic improvement????
 
Ok first, your 35 min burn time is the expected amount for your 2x burn. As for if you need to stay at that speed. It depends on your burner, your media brand/type/speed, and mostly on your standalone dvd players. Some players (usually the 5+ year old ones) are so incredibly picky they will only play DVD-R burned at 2x on the most expensive brand of DVDs there are. Most dont care if its DVD-R or DVD+R or 2x or 8x or whatever though. So try one at 8x and see if it plays in your player fine. If it does, then you are fine with doing it that way. If it doesn't, then you might have to go back to 2x.

Second, I would imagine you could skip the 2nd analysis that is taking a while, but I'm not familiar with dvd shrink besides knowing it doesn't have good quality output (it transcodes instead of re-encoding, which means it just rips out a bunch of details rather than trying to recompress the whole thing, as a result it usually is able to complete in about 30 mins as you found when you changed the options, rather than a couple hours per movie as the better solutions do). I use dvd rebuilder pro and it takes me a couple hours to do a re-encoding and only a few minutes for analysis. And since it uses CCE for the encoding its very high quality.

If you are happy with the quality though, then feel free to keep using it though. Some people get very picky about this stuff, others dont care much.

I'm not sure about why your settings changes made much differance. I'm guessing that it was changing the renderer though. Try putting that "hide" option you mentioned back on (while leaving your renderer set to the VMR9) and see if it makes a differance. From the description of that option, I'm guessing that it would hide certain video's that were very small (like perhaps the legal warnings?). I'm not sure though.

Second:

Originally posted by: TheRaven2156
Ok i believe this is what your asking here are my current settings.....


Secondary IDE Channel: Device 0: Device Type: Auto Detection
Transfer Mode: DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode: Ultra DMA Mode 2
Device 1😀evice Type: Auto Detection
Transfer Mode: PIO Only
Current Transfer Mode: PIO Mode
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Whats on your secondary IDE channel? A cd rom reader and a dvd burner? Because one of them is in PIO mode and thats bad and SLOW. You want it (and all IDE drives really) to be in DMA mode. last time I had a dvd drive in PIO mode, it couldn't even play back a dvd movie without skipping like mad it was so slow.

 
When using DVD Shrink during Analysing and during Encoding do you have a box checked "Enable Video Preview"? If you do, uncheck those and that should help some.
 
I just did 8 DVDs in less than 1.5 hours.

Step 1 - DVD Decryptor. File mode - creates a full set of 23 files.

Step 2, DVD Shrink converts those files into an ISO file.

Step 3 - ECM8 or Nero (regular burnware) burns the ISO file to a blank DVD. Each step takes about 5-6 minutes at the most.

Speed is a result of burner, CPU speed, and media.
 
I always burn my DVD movies at 8x or I'd even do it at 16x if I had 16x DVDs. I have never ran into problems while watching them be it skipping or erroring out on any set top DVD player. The only time that type of problem crops up is when I use crappy media.
 
I burn a DVD in about 1hr from start to finish (Thanks to my new DC 4400 OC'd computer 😀). My old computer does the same job in about 2 1/2 hours (Barton 2500 at stock speeds)

The reason it takes so long is primarily your CPU, it's old, and slow and can't crunch numbers all that fast. If you were to lower the quality settings in shrink and then try it again it would be much faster. But obiously slightly less pretty to watch.

For DVD burning, burn at the rated speed if you can. There are different dyes out there and 16x DVDs don't like being burnt at 8x or less for the most part (check out cdfreaks.com for evidence, just use the search engine). If you're worried about the quality of the burn then first things is to buy good discs, TY is the best there is, verbatims are close and almost universally availible (what i use).

So to speed it up, get a new CPU, drop the quality settings for the encoding and/or analysis kill any programs that are running in the background and burn at the rated speed. Other little tricks are to defrag your HD every now and again, but for the most part you'll always be crippled by the CPU.

(Edit: Your buddy was talking ****** btw, not his fault, it was true about four years ago, just isn't anymore 😛 to test this download Nero CD speed and burn a test disc at low speed and then high speed and analyise the two.)

I swear that this was orriginal information when i started typing.

*searches for mavis beacon*
 
I had a Athlon 1.2GHZ amd mpw a XP3200 and the time difference to rip and burn a DVD was about the same, so you r CPU is fine
 
Originally posted by: Sforsyth
I had a Athlon 1.2GHZ amd mpw a XP3200 and the time difference to rip and burn a DVD was about the same, so you r CPU is fine
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Unless you're not compressing the image at all i find that very hard to belive. There is a reason that DVD shrink and other compression routines are used for benchmarking CPUs.
 
well i took off the second analysis and it did alot better, and im not too dissapointed with the quality so its just a question of whether or not it will work on my dvd players with the new settings.... ive yet to try so ill do that next.

New question: Im backing up stealth now and i get to dvd shrink and it gives me an error... I dont have the error message handy but i can get it if u want me to. I than use dvd decryptor and it gets stuck at 10% and will not go any farther..... What going on???

EDIT: I have AnyDVD 3.2.0.1 running in the background
 
I think stealth has the newest version of DVD encryption which shrink and decrypter can't do.

Check cdfreaks.com, they are the experts.
 
Originally posted by: Devistater
(it transcodes instead of re-encoding, which means it just rips out a bunch of details rather than trying to recompress the whole thing...
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Transcoding IS reencoding. When you transcode you are going from one codec to another. Technically it isn't transcoding, it's downsampling.

When you remove the extra features that isn't transcoding either. That's just chopping off the extra garbage.

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
The reason it takes so long is primarily your CPU, it's old, and slow and can't crunch numbers all that fast. If you were to lower the quality settings in shrink and then try it again it would be much faster. But obiously slightly less pretty to watch.
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Bingo! That's why it is best to use the longer mode. You get a better picture. What I do is I set it to the highest mode and let it run when I'm not using the computer, such as overnight. Then you're sure to get the best picture and how long it takes becomes irrelevant.


It is a myth that burning slower will produce less errors. I've ran tests where the "super-reliable" 1x burns ended up with more errors than 8x burns. Very strange indeed. It is also very good to switch the Transfer Mode to "Udma if available". If you don't use UDMA then every bit of information that is being burned has to go through the processor. With UDMA the information is written directly to the memory where the burner accesses it. You can get much more reliable burns with UDMA enabled.

More important than the speed to burn at is the type of media used. If you use crappy disks then you will get crappy results. It's like how some CD-R's will play in some cd players but not others. Typically the more expensive, higher quality, media will play in more cd players while also lasting longer. It depends on the disk type and quality of the optics in the device you're trying to play it in.
 
Originally posted by: TheRaven2156
well i took off the second analysis and it did alot better, and im not too dissapointed with the quality so its just a question of whether or not it will work on my dvd players with the new settings.... ive yet to try so ill do that next.

New question: Im backing up stealth now and i get to dvd shrink and it gives me an error... I dont have the error message handy but i can get it if u want me to. I than use dvd decryptor and it gets stuck at 10% and will not go any farther..... What going on???

EDIT: I have AnyDVD 3.2.0.1 running in the background
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If you're running AnyDVD you shouldn't have to do anything. If I remember correctly that's a real-time CSS decrypter. And if it doesn that then you should be able to open the dvd drive in My Computer and just copy the files off there for DVD Shrink processing.
I don't think you should ever have to use AnyDVD and DVD Decryptor at the same time.
 
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