Why does Google hate everyone? Nexus S 4G isn't dual core? WTF?

[lokiju]

Why oh why would Google green light re-releasing the Nexus S on Sprint with 4G and NOT bump it up to the Galaxy S II standards?

It's instantly out of date before it's even in stores.

I just don't get it.

I'd be all over that if it were the Galaxy S II spec.

I want a Nexus phone for the updates. I want 4G. I want dual core.

WHY!?!?!?!?!?



Oh well, wait a few more months and I'm sure it'll happen. Seems like every bleeding edge hot shit Android phone is nearly one upped within 3 months of it's release now days.

 

[sciwizam]

Wait till December for the next Nexus. It might even be a quad core device, who knows. (Probably LG and Nvidia)

 

[lokiju]

Wait till December for the next Nexus. It might even be a quad core device, who knows. (Probably LG and Nvidia)

I kind of hope it's not LG. Haven't been impressed by their GUI.

But I guess if it is a LG and Nexus it'd be stock UI, which would be nice.

 

[QueBert]

Google should focus 100% of their Andoid energy on implimenting GPU acceleration in the UI. I've played with a dual core Android device, and honestly it still felt super sluggish. The WM7 phone I've messed with is single core, yet it completely run circles around the most high powered Android ones out there.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Screw Sprint 4G. Its good if you're completely stationary but forget driving around at all.

 

[Deeko]

It is the Nexus S re-released on Sprint. They never said it would be anything else...so why would they rebuild it as a new phone?

 

[s44]

Wait till December for the next Nexus. It might even be a quad core device, who knows. (Probably LG and Nvidia)

It'll probably be a tablet though.

As for the OP -- Samsung has just figured out how to make the SGS2 work with one (GSM) radio, you want them to switch to CDMA, pack an additional WiMax radio, and have Google write the complete firmware for it a week later? Doesn't work that way.

 

[yh125d]

Uh, last I checked, SGS2 isn't for sale yet in the US

 

[abaez]

Last year at Google I/O everyone got an EVO, which was pretty much the cutting edge of smartphones at the time. I wonder what they'll give out this year.

 

[Bateluer]

Google should focus 100% of their Android energy on implementing GPU acceleration in the UI. I've played with a dual core Android device, and honestly it still felt super sluggish. The WM7 phone I've messed with is single core, yet it completely run circles around the most high powered Android ones out there.

This has already been done, first started in Gingerbread and fully implemented in Honeycomb. In either case, the first step is reducing/resolving UI lag to remove the manufacturer UIs entirely.

 

[MrX8503]

Not sure why Google still doesn't have a powerful android phone.

4G
4.3" screen
Dual core
Stock Android

Done. Period. Why don't we have this phone yet from google?

 

[Deeko]

Not sure why Google still doesn't have a powerful android phone.

4G
4.3" screen
Dual core
Stock Android

Done. Period. Why don't we have this phone yet from google?

Google might occassionally release a reference platform, but the complaint here is really with the manufacturers, not with Google. The Nexus lineup represents a tiny fraction of Android sales. And frankly, considering no one other than Android as a dual core phone on the market right now, and other than the HD2 and HD7, I don't know that there are other non-Android 4.3" phones either....its not like there's a lot of competition there.

 

[ponyo]

Not sure why Google still doesn't have a powerful android phone.

4G
4.3" screen
Dual core
Stock Android

Done. Period. Why don't we have this phone yet from google?

Why don't we have iPhone with 4G, screen bigger than 3.5, and dual core? Why don't we have this phone yet from Apple?

 

[ew915]

The Nexus S 4G should of been something like a Galaxy S2 with a google Tag, but oh well i guess Samsung is not going to be the next Google phone.

 

[zerocool84]

Not sure why Google still doesn't have a powerful android phone.

4G
4.3" screen
Dual core
Stock Android

Done. Period. Why don't we have this phone yet from google?

The Nexus One was the most powerful Android phone when it was released. The Nexus S was the most powerful Android phone when it was released. I'm sure when the next Nexus phone is released, it'll be the most powerful Android phone yet again.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

This has already been done, first started in Gingerbread and fully implemented in Honeycomb. In either case, the first step is reducing/resolving UI lag to remove the manufacturer UIs entirely.

Is Honeycomb on all our phones? Is Gingerbread? The Xoom I played with this past weekend was choppier than my phone in UI animations. Shrug.

 

[zerocool84]

Is Honeycomb on all our phones? Is Gingerbread? The Xoom I played with this past weekend was choppier than my phone in UI animations. Shrug.

Because HC is far from finished. Too damn buggy.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Google should focus 100% of their Andoid energy on implimenting GPU acceleration in the UI. I've played with a dual core Android device, and honestly it still felt super sluggish. The WM7 phone I've messed with is single core, yet it completely run circles around the most high powered Android ones out there.

they also use the sluggish adreno 200 GPU which is worse than the SGX530 I have in my "massively outdated" Droid.

Because HC is far from finished. Too damn buggy.

Really... well I'd hope so. I thought it was just the Xoom that was buggy (Moto's fault) but you're saying Google's releasing a half finished OS?

 

[Bateluer]

Is Honeycomb on all our phones? Is Gingerbread? The Xoom I played with this past weekend was choppier than my phone in UI animations. Shrug.

So your anger is directed at manufacturers for not adequately supporting their products and carriers for loading them down with bloat?

Right now, best thing to do is to root, remove the bloatware and install LP or ADW. Lag = Gone.

 

[MrX8503]

Why don't we have iPhone with 4G, screen bigger than 3.5, and dual core? Why don't we have this phone yet from Apple?

Apple doesn't have update cycles like android. Apple is on a 1 device/yr plan, Android is every few months.

-4G, Most likely battery life concerns, similar to Apple's late adoption of 3G. Android has shitty battery life already, so I'm pretty sure they're not concerned with battery life.

-4.3", the iPhone should have a larger screen, but retina helps.

-Dual core, Ever heard of A5? It'll be in the next gen iPhone and it stomps Tegra 2.

4G, 4.3", and Dual core ALL already exist on an Android device, there's no reason Google can't have a phone with all of these existing features.

The Nexus One was the most powerful Android phone when it was released. The Nexus S was the most powerful Android phone when it was released. I'm sure when the next Nexus phone is released, it'll be the most powerful Android phone yet again.

Nexus One was one of the most powerful, but only for a short while. The HD2 has had the 1ghz processor for a while. The Nexus S is no more powerful than the Galaxy S series. I'm sure whatever the new Nexus phone is, its not gonna be anything special.

 

[Bateluer]

-Dual core, Ever heard of A5? It'll be in the next gen iPhone and it stomps Tegra 2.

OMAP 4 = A5. Qualcomm's Cortex A9 product with its Adreno 220 is no slouch either. And by the time all these produces actually start showing up in phones, Nvidia will be shipping the Tegra 3, or whatever they end up calling it. Nvidia's not a company to sit ideal.

But yeah, the Nexus S is basically a Galaxy S without the sdcard slot. It never held a performance crown.

 

[Deeko]

So your anger is directed at manufacturers for not adequately supporting their products and carriers for loading them down with bloat?

Right now, best thing to do is to root, remove the bloatware and install LP or ADW. Lag = Gone.

You go from defending google..or at least, deflecting blame, to saying everyone should replace the default launcher. If it were really done right, the stock launcher would be sufficient.

Apple doesn't have update cycles like android. Apple is on a 1 device/yr plan, Android is every few months.

-4G, Most likely battery life concerns, similar to Apple's late adoption of 3G. Android has shitty battery life already, so I'm pretty sure they're not concerned with battery life.

-4.3", the iPhone should have a larger screen, but retina helps.

-Dual core, Ever heard of A5? It'll be in the next gen iPhone and it stomps Tegra 2.

4G, 4.3", and Dual core ALL already exist on an Android device, there's no reason Google can't have a phone with all of these existing features.



Nexus One was one of the most powerful, but only for a short while. The HD2 has had the 1ghz processor for a while. The Nexus S is no more powerful than the Galaxy S series. I'm sure whatever the new Nexus phone is, its not gonna be anything special.

There is no iphone based on the a5, why bring it up? It's also been suggested that there won't be a new one until the fall, which really makes it moot to this discussion. Finally, you keep suggestng that Google should have a Nexus phone with these specs, and you cite Android development pace, but completely ignore that there have only been two Nexus phones. Google doesnt work that way, nor have they suggested that they do.

The phome you suggest doesnt exist anywhere, from anyone, so your indignant attitude suggesting there is no excuse for Googlw not to have one of their own seems seriously misplaced.

 

[DirkGently1]

Google should focus 100% of their Andoid energy on implimenting GPU acceleration in the UI. I've played with a dual core Android device, and honestly it still felt super sluggish. The WM7 phone I've messed with is single core, yet it completely run circles around the most high powered Android ones out there.

Exactly. The Nexus S is still superior to most smartphones out there, including the ones with dual core. I'm not sure what people are expecting from dual core phones, but unless they are planning on moving their video transcoding from PC to smartphone there isn't much point in having them atm.

I'd much rather have hardware acceleration and single core cpu, with decent battery life, any day of the week. If you want more buy a laptop. Simple.

 

[QueBert]

So your anger is directed at manufacturers for not adequately supporting their products and carriers for loading them down with bloat?

Right now, best thing to do is to root, remove the bloatware and install LP or ADW. Lag = Gone.

Lag gone with LP or ADW? We must have a different definition of what lag is, I run CM7 with both installed, and my OC'ed Droid is close to unusable at times. I've never seen an Android device that was smooth, the best I've seen was one that was a bit less choppy. Android needs serious work on GPU acceleration, you say it's in HC but I didn't notice it when I used a Xoom for about a minute. Also on my Droid with 2.3 or whatever CM7 uses can be painfully slow when it feels like it. I don't multi-task either

 

[Bateluer]

Lag gone with LP or ADW? We must have a different definition of what lag is, I run CM7 with both installed, and my OC'ed Droid is close to unusable at times. I've never seen an Android device that was smooth, the best I've seen was one that was a bit less choppy. Android needs serious work on GPU acceleration, you say it's in HC but I didn't notice it when I used a Xoom for about a minute. Also on my Droid with 2.3 or whatever CM7 uses can be painfully slow when it feels like it. I don't multi-task either

I haven't used a Xoom myself, so I can only go by reviews I've read on it. GPU acceleration is part of HC, and several reviews have noted it.

Cm7 Nightlies are 2.3.4 now, but I think their stable branch is still 2.3.3. The 256MB of RAM on your Droid 1 is killing you there, but I ran Project Elite 5.02, 2.3.2 based, and noticed very little lag. Indeed, the basic UI was actually snappier than CM6 was. I'm still mystified by how you can consider it unusable.

Fact is, GPU acceleration, while a great feature, isn't really needed. Nor is it being demanded by Android consumers either.

Edit - Saw this video over at TabletRoms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO0LOuelTT8
Honeycomb running on the Advent Vega, looks pretty smooth to me. Heavily alpha though right now, lots of broken things. Hardware acceleration is clearly working though.
http://tabletroms.com/forums/showthread.php?453-ROM-VegaComb-by-newbe5-and-Corvus