Why does everyone love Reagan so much?

[Meghan54]

Only uneducated Greeks want the Euro.

The Euro has made everybody Germany's bitch. Germany exports shit with an artificially cheap currency, enjoys full employment, high standards of living, and wealth. Greeks have to be able to pay for it by taking out debt.

You almost make that sound like those aren't good things............

 

[LegendKiller]

You almost make that sound like those aren't good things............

Good for Germany, dogshit for the rest of Europe. But hey, Beggar Thy Neighbor is as good of a motto as any.

Germans are fucking clueless how horribly they are anally raping Europe. That, or they know and wholeheartedly approve.

The US is just as bad. China is doing the same shit to us. Nobody cares, they just keep lining up at Wal Mart like mindless drones getting their cheap shit fix.

 

[trenchfoot]

Good for Germany, dogshit for the rest of Europe. But hey, Beggar Thy Neighbor is as good of a motto as any.

Germans are fucking clueless how horribly they are anally raping Europe. That, or they know and wholeheartedly approve.

The US is just as bad. China is doing the same shit to us. Nobody cares, they just keep lining up at Wal Mart like mindless drones getting their cheap shit fix.

The Rise of the Reich again but without the Little Corporal in charge this time around.

 

[Z15CAM]

American Political Crap - When you will wake up and say something that interests the rest of the planet.

Not denying that we as Canadian's do not deal with the same Political Crap; but I'm sick and tired of the USA ripping us off.

For one thing the lower Canadian dollar, means that more of our water frontage is bought up by Americans then Canadians or our Indignant People can afford and we got nowhere to live - Go F&*k our Natural Resources, Jobs and our Homes.

NAFTA suck's in my opinion and just a peek at he at the ground floor.

 

[1prophet]

And everything he accomplished he did with a Democrat congress, but for some strange reason no one wants to blame them or praise them for Reagen's policies, accomplishments, and failures unlike today.:hmm:

 

[davmat787]

What "warm water access" are you talking about with regards to Afghanistan? If you look at an atlas it can be seen that Afghanistan is land-locked. Not only does it not have warm water access, it has no water access at all.

As far as forcing an end to the Cold War by some sort of immense strength I think that is just part of the Reagan myth. I had several Soviet defectors as professors in the early 1970s. They thought that the Soviet Union's economy was on its last legs, with each new economic plan the problems in the economy were getting larger. None of these refugees thought that the Soviet Union would last past the 1980s. As it turned out they were correct.

Reagan's crazy spending on the military probably hurt the US more than it hurt the Soviets.

I guess about the only good thing I can say about Reagan is that it only took the US 15 years to recover from his craziness. It will take probably 20 years to recover from George W and Cheney. $2 trillion to bring democracy to the Middle East? Now that is certifiable!

As werepossum pointed out, the warm water port in the Indian Ocean was not in Afghanistan itself, but Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was an important step in gaining that port. Oil and a possible pipeline were also potential wins.

Here is a short primer: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/warm-water-port-afghanistan.htm

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

(Neo-)Nazis still think Hitler was a great leader, Al Qaida probably thinks Bin Laden was a great leader, and republicans still think Reagan was a great leader.

 

[boomerang]

American Political Crap - When you will wake up and say something that interests the rest of the planet.

Not denying that we as Canadian's do not deal with the same Political Crap; but I'm sick and tired of the USA ripping us off.

For one thing the lower Canadian dollar, means that more of our water frontage is bought up by Americans then Canadians or our Indignant People can afford and we got nowhere to live - Go F&*k our Natural Resources, Jobs and our Homes.

NAFTA suck's in my opinion and just a peek at he at the ground floor.

Indignant people eh?

Oh Canada!
Our home and native land! ...

 

[boomerang]

As an actor, Reagan really stunk acting as a president.

As a president he really stunk as an actor acting in that role.

And if Nancy's astrologer was around at the time then she stunk too, because she didn't predict the assassination attempt on Ronnie.

It's something isn't it? Nancy with her astrology and Hillary walking around the White House in the dead of night having conversations with the ghost of Eleanore Roosevelt. Good thing that whacky Nancy isn't running for President.

 

[Murloc]

Seriously, why? Some people think that he was the best president America ever had but I just can't agree with that. He raised taxes, helped to create Taliban and gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants. So why is he liked so much? He was not even able to rule the country by the end of the second term since he had Alzheimer's. And now he is a role model for some presidential candidates. I find it hypocritical.

in Europe Reaganomics and Thatcherism are demonized and the opinions about them are generally very unfavourable, except for small neoliberal parties.
I guess the most unpopular US presidents abroad are GW Bush and Reagan.

Good for Germany, dogshit for the rest of Europe. But hey, Beggar Thy Neighbor is as good of a motto as any.

Germans are fucking clueless how horribly they are anally raping Europe. That, or they know and wholeheartedly approve.

The US is just as bad. China is doing the same shit to us. Nobody cares, they just keep lining up at Wal Mart like mindless drones getting their cheap shit fix.

it's not just Germany. There's no need to always single out Germany.
They're being boneheaded on this but right now somebody is going to lose, there is no win-win solution anymore. So what they're doing is making sure they lose the least, whatever the cost to the EU or the greeks.

 

[Sonikku]

3. In the late 1970's there was the Iran Hostages and Carter's rescue plan didn't work.

Sad thing is if not for Eisenhower working to overthrow Iran's democracy for oil there probably wouldn't have BEEN a hostage situation. (or for that matter, a lot of the problems we have with them today) Too bad Eisenhower is regarded as one of the best presidents ever while Carter is regarded as the worst. At least when Carter was serving as the head of state for the seat of Democracy in the world he wasn't undermining Democracy in the world.

 

[LegendKiller]

in Europe Reaganomics and Thatcherism are demonized and the opinions about them are generally very unfavourable, except for small neoliberal parties.
I guess the most unpopular US presidents abroad are GW Bush and Reagan.


it's not just Germany. There's no need to always single out Germany.
They're being boneheaded on this but right now somebody is going to lose, there is no win-win solution anymore. So what they're doing is making sure they lose the least, whatever the cost to the EU or the greeks.

Tell me what country has benefitted the most from the euro, by a massive margin?

 

[Jhhnn]

It's something isn't it? Nancy with her astrology and Hillary walking around the White House in the dead of night having conversations with the ghost of Eleanore Roosevelt. Good thing that whacky Nancy isn't running for President.

Nice smear!

"Imagine that you're talking to (any historical figure). What would they say?" is a legitimate learning technique.

"The stars guide your destiny!" is Hokum. Well, except in the Reagan White House, the proto-Glenbeckistan.

You speak their language with great fluency.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Seriously, why? Some people think that he was the best president America ever had but I just can't agree with that. He raised taxes, helped to create Taliban and gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants. So why is he liked so much? He was not even able to rule the country by the end of the second term since he had Alzheimer's. And now he is a role model for some presidential candidates. I find it hypocritical.

Stage presence, he looked good, sounded honest and could have made a fortune selling lemons as a used car salesman. And people still buy into that.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Only uneducated Greeks want the Euro.

The Euro has made everybody Germany's bitch. Germany exports shit with an artificially cheap currency, enjoys full employment, high standards of living, and wealth. Greeks have to be able to pay for it by taking out debt.

You are mad Germany is doing what 1950,s USofA did in the Fifties?

 

[Jhhnn]

You are mad Germany is doing what 1950,s USofA did in the Fifties?

That's just a variant on the "Europe in ruins" canard-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/the-europe-in-rubble-excuse/

Other than the Marshall plan, US trade was basically balanced until the early 70's.

 

[nickqt]

Sad thing is if not for Eisenhower working to overthrow Iran's democracy for oil there probably wouldn't have BEEN a hostage situation. (or for that matter, a lot of the problems we have with them today) Too bad Eisenhower is regarded as one of the best presidents ever while Carter is regarded as the worst. At least when Carter was serving as the head of state for the seat of Democracy in the world he wasn't undermining Democracy in the world.

Ah, come on. Don't bring context into the Iranian situation.

Iran is the bad guy because they were really mean in 1979.

The 1953 coup by the US and UK against democratically-elected Mosdeggh, which installed a brutal dictator under US control to ensure US/UK control over oil production isn't appropriate to discuss in the open. We're the good guys, and they're the bad guys. Forever. Context is for Democrats, intellectuals, and dirty, evil commies.

 

[LegendKiller]

You are mad Germany is doing what 1950,s USofA did in the Fifties?

LOL. Not quite.

 

[wirelessenabled]

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Perhaps some day you'll understand the massive irony of claiming that the act which resulted in the Soviet Union collapsing hurt us more than them.

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That is where we differ. You believe that Reagan's massive military buildup caused the Soviet Union to collapse.

I believe that that the Soviet Union was already collapsing because of the massive inefficiences of a command economy mostly dedicated to military spending.

I wish you had been there in 1973 in my Econ classes taught by the Soviet refugees. One had been a high ranking official in Gosplan which was the Soviet agency directing the so-called planned economy. He used as examples the problems that were happening. One I remember was that The Plan called for some number of military items made out of steel. The Plan also called for farm machinery and transport trucks made out of steel. Of course the tanks and ships got built and nothing was made for the farmers. This caused repeated shortages of food both from lack of growing enough and from a shortage of transport to carry what was grown from farm to market. A huge percentage of crops grown rotted in the fields. This made people hungry and of course slowed the pace of the economy.

This former Gosplan professor had loads of these scenarios. If you had studied that in the 1970s you wouldn't be talking about how Reagan caused the Soviet Union to collapse because he spent way too much on arms.

 

[davmat787]

That is where we differ. You believe that Reagan's massive military buildup caused the Soviet Union to collapse.

I believe that that the Soviet Union was already collapsing because of the massive inefficiences of a command economy mostly dedicated to military spending.

I wish you had been there in 1973 in my Econ classes taught by the Soviet refugees. One had been a high ranking official in Gosplan which was the Soviet agency directing the so-called planned economy. He used as examples the problems that were happening. One I remember was that The Plan called for some number of military items made out of steel. The Plan also called for farm machinery and transport trucks made out of steel. Of course the tanks and ships got built and nothing was made for the farmers. This caused repeated shortages of food both from lack of growing enough and from a shortage of transport to carry what was grown from farm to market. A huge percentage of crops grown rotted in the fields. This made people hungry and of course slowed the pace of the economy.

This former Gosplan professor had loads of these scenarios. If you had studied that in the 1970s you wouldn't be talking about how Reagan caused the Soviet Union to collapse because he spent way too much on arms.

So you don't believe there were any external factors that led to the collapse of the USSR? That no matter what happened outside the USSR it was going to collapse on schedule?

Something as complex as the collapse of the USSR is due to a ton of factors, both internal and external to the USSR. No one person or policy can be said to be the sole reason for the downfall of the iron curtain. Perhaps a greatly passionate dislike for Reagan is skewing some peoples perception of his contributions to the Soviet collapse.

 

[wirelessenabled]

As werepossum pointed out, the warm water port in the Indian Ocean was not in Afghanistan itself, but Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was an important step in gaining that port. Oil and a possible pipeline were also potential wins.

Here is a short primer: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/warm-water-port-afghanistan.htm

Yeah just another of the communist domino theories that was going to lead them to conquering the world. Ala Vietnam. The Soviet Union in 1979 was having a hard time keeping its own Muslims, Latvians, Ukrainians etc toeing the line. Its chance of capturing a warm water port on the Indian Ocean by taking over Afghanistan and then conquering Pakistan was about the same as I have of hopping off my desk to land on the ISS.

What was this another of Rumsfield and Cheney's wacky ideas for candidate Reagan? Or maybe just another Republican/Conservative story to show the voters how weak President Carter was.

 

[wirelessenabled]

So you don't believe there were any external factors that led to the collapse of the USSR? That no matter what happened outside the USSR it was going to collapse on schedule?

Something as complex as the collapse of the USSR is due to a ton of factors, both internal and external to the USSR. No one person or policy can be said to be the sole reason for the downfall of the iron curtain. Perhaps a greatly passionate dislike for Reagan is skewing some peoples perception of his contributions to the Soviet collapse.

Of course there were external factors to the collapse. Reagan's actions probably had some effect. I just don't believe that the US military buildup was critical or the deciding factor. It might have changed the collapse "schedule" as you call it a year or two forward in time but the collapse was coming anyway. The reason I think that the buildup caused more harm to the US is that Reagan wasted hundreds of billions of dollars to punch at an inflatable (Soviet) punching doll. That money could have been better spent.

I don't have any passionate dislike for Reagan. He was an amiable idiot who parlayed his good looks and public speaking ability to the Presidency. I do have a passionate dislike for many of the policies he put forward. I also have no understanding for the esteem some folks seem to hold for him.

 

[davmat787]

Yeah just another of the communist domino theories that was going to lead them to conquering the world. Ala Vietnam. The Soviet Union in 1979 was having a hard time keeping its own Muslims, Latvians, Ukrainians etc toeing the line. Its chance of capturing a warm water port on the Indian Ocean by taking over Afghanistan and then conquering Pakistan was about the same as I have of hopping off my desk to land on the ISS.

What was this another of Rumsfield and Cheney's wacky ideas for candidate Reagan? Or maybe just another Republican/Conservative story to show the voters how weak President Carter was.

Russia's quest for a warm water port goes back hundreds of years, like to the time of Peter the Great, I think you are greatly underestimating or maybe just aren't aware of how much importance and effort Russia and then the USSR and even the current Russia place on warm water access.

Nearly every invasion, war, incursion, .etc initiated by the Russians can be directly tied to their quest for warm water access. From the Russian-Turkish wars in the 17th and 18th centuries right up to what is going on in Ukraine and Georgia literally today are all tied to the quest for warm water access.

Russia’s Ever-Elusive Warm-Water Quest

Russia’s history is made up of major wars and other small conflicts that have come directly from their simple quest to establish naval bases and merchant ports in the warmer seas of the world—the Indian and Pacific Oceans instead of the unforgiving Arctic Ocean and the other frozen seas of the north.

The mostly landlocked and ice-locked nation (with the exception of its lone warm-water port, Vladivostok) has waged countless wars to include the Crimean War, the First and Second Anglo-Afghan Wars, and the Russo-Turkish Wars of the 17th and 18th centuries. Even Russia’s support for Serbia in the first days of World War I was driven by their motivation to establish a warm-water port in the Mediterranean. A warm-water port was even the driving factor for Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan in 1979.



Read more: http://sofrep.com/39102/russias-ever-elusive-warm-water-quest/#ixzz3gHlX7Jya

 

[IronWing]

So you don't believe there were any external factors that led to the collapse of the USSR? That no matter what happened outside the USSR it was going to collapse on schedule?

Something as complex as the collapse of the USSR is due to a ton of factors, both internal and external to the USSR. No one person or policy can be said to be the sole reason for the downfall of the iron curtain. Perhaps a greatly passionate dislike for Reagan is skewing some peoples perception of his contributions to the Soviet collapse.

Reagan's contribution to the collapse of the Soviet Union was to pay, train, arm, and defend Central American thugs, murderers, and rapists, "The moral equivalent of our founding fathers."

 

[nickqt]

Reagan's contribution to the collapse of the Soviet Union was to pay, train, arm, and defend Central American thugs, murderers, and rapists, "The moral equivalent of our founding fathers."

You're leaving out selling missiles to Iran through Israel. And cutting and running from Lebanon.

Otherwise, great points.