Why Does Everyone Hate Vista?!

[thescreensavers]

sry guys I was half a sleep when I wrote that let me re write that


"This is true, But I think vista sucks for people who know alot about computers. People that don't know how to use a computer properly will think it is amazing and it is true more security."


there added what needed to be added sorry guys/girls

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
sry guys I was half a sleep when I wrote that let me re write that


"This is true, But I think vista sucks for people who know alot about computers. People that don't know how to use a computer properly will think it is amazing and it is true more security."

If you had to deploy Vista remotely across a business network to several thousand desktop computers in one night, by yourself, I bet you'd think Vista was amazing too What do you think sucks about Vista for people who know a lot about computers, anyway?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Rottie
I hate Vista and Bill Gates for forcing me to overhaul my year old custom built rig.
Billy laugh at me because Vista will not work with new Creative Live Pro webcam and Billy laughed so hard that my Intel HaM fax modem will not do any good with Vista and Billy laughed really harshly because Vista told me to give up my ATI TV Wonder VE....You see everybody is upgrade to Vista and I have no way to sell them.

now you feel my PAIN?

I fail to see why Bill Gates or Microsoft is responsible for Creative having ****** driver support.
Maybe I should write hate letters to Linus Torvalds because my X-Fi won't work under Linux?

Get a clue.

also

so i guess billy came round your house with a fully loaded 12 gauge, frog marched you to the nearest BB, marched you back then sat, with an expectant expression on his face, as you were made to pop vista home premium in your dvd drive.

you know you could of just kept with xp, its not that hard to not go shopping.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
sry guys I was half a sleep when I wrote that let me re write that


"This is true, But I think vista sucks for people who know alot about computers. People that don't know how to use a computer properly will think it is amazing and it is true more security."


there added what needed to be added sorry guys/girls

So Vista sucks for *me*? How do you know this exactly?


/pulls up a chair and listents closely.

 

[Delerious]

Vista is slower and requires more resources. It does look nicer though...

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Delerious
Vista is slower and requires more resources. It does look nicer though...

It does use more RAM, yes, but as i've mentioned before, many of the services that make Vista the OS it is can indeed be disabled, which brings RAM usage close to what XP's is (for those who like monitoring task manager 24/7).

As for slower, no.

With a crappy system, maybe, but with a good PC, Vista will generally feel faster due largely to Superfetch.

So please stop spreading FUD.

 

[thescreensavers]

The overall responsiveness is poor for my liking. Gaming sucks in vista, vista uses up more ram, generates more heat from my GPU then my cpu on my laptop. Poor driver support.. the list goes on

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: stash

Lastly, I don't think I should have to shell out $150+ for every new and old OS that MS developes. I needed to install a copy of XP the other day and the price is still $150+. Why is that the price of everything else comes down over time except MS OS's?

That's pretty cheap considering how long it will last you. XP will be supported until 2014, so that's 13-14 years of potential use of the product if you purchased it when it came out. Can you say that about any of the other components in your computer?

Apple charges what, $125 for each new version of OS X? And they were releasing them about once a year for a stretch. They don't have a monopoly.

And by the way, monopolies are not illegal. Using a monopoly to crowd out competition is, and the DOJ keeps a very close eye on Microsoft to make sure they are not doing that.

Yes, but for the average user with a Intel Pentium 4 2.8ghz or an Athlon XP 2500+, it does not really make sense to upgrade to Vista. But really, what is really the reason to upgrade to Vista anyway besides getting the latest and greatest? For the rest of us, we can upgrade to it in a few years when it becomes necessary.

Also, I am curious as to how Vista will play in education field and when will colleges run classroom and online classes using and requiring Vista software.

DOJ? lol. Microsoft is smart and their stock seems to be doing well with the reporting of Vista sales, but now consumers have other options, especially Linux. I am probably going to get Vista for my next computer, which will not happen anytime soon, though.

As for Bill Gates, he is doing lots of good around the world. People with billions of dollars can do similar things but most probably don't. Why have billions of dollars laying in a bank when you can do better things with them (although I need to do better things with my money as well, which is not in the billions).

 

[mechBgon]

Yes, but for the average user with a Intel Pentium 4 2.8ghz or an Athlon XP 2500+, it does not really make sense to upgrade to Vista. But really, what is really the reason to upgrade to Vista anyway besides getting the latest and greatest?

"Major increase in out-of-the-box OS security" comes to mind. And especially for the "average user" whose WinXP box has been spewing Spam email, hosting phishing websites and performing DoS attacks right under his nose without him knowning. Not to mention sending his keystrokes, screenshots and other identity-theft ingredients off to the bad guys.

Interesting: the Mac security researcher who hacked a MacBook at a security conference holds the opinion that Vista is more secure than OS X.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Yes, but for the average user with a Intel Pentium 4 2.8ghz or an Athlon XP 2500+, it does not really make sense to upgrade to Vista. But really, what is really the reason to upgrade to Vista anyway besides getting the latest and greatest?

"Major increase in out-of-the-box OS security" comes to mind. And especially for the "average user" whose WinXP box has been spewing Spam email, hosting phishing websites and performing DoS attacks right under his nose without him knowning. Not to mention sending his keystrokes, screenshots and other identity-theft ingredients off to the bad guys.

Interesting: the Mac security researcher who hacked a MacBook at a security conference holds the opinion that Vista is more secure than OS X.

Actually, I'd say this is a common "problem" across the industry in general.
Things people bought a few years ago are "good enough".

My brother has a computer that's....3-4 years old? AXP 1.43 GHz anyways, 512 MB RAM I think.
Parents have a 1.3 GHz Coppermine Celeron with 448 MB of RAM, grandma is sitting on a 2 GHz Athlon(because her old mobo broke down mostly) with 512 MB.
All of them have a proper line of defense, in the form of either a router or a local firewall.

I don't really see any reason to upgrade any of their hardware or software.
Me, I have a C2D and 2GB of RAM, with an 8800GTX, by most measurements a high end rig, I just reused my XP license, because again, I don't see any reason to upgrade.

Nothing Microsoft exclusive, the entire computer industry has just matured enough that the old stuff is "good enough" for most people, hardware as well as software.
Of course, all of my relatives will eventually move to either Vista, Vista.2(I forgot the code name), Linux, Apple, or whatever some day, but not while their current stuff is working.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: VIAN
Vista, as well as any piece of software, reacts differently to different hardware configurations. While in the OPs hardware it worked flawlessly, on mine or someone else's it may not have.

Then there is also the standards and expectations that people have. These could take disappointments to another level.

Very true. Couple this with an almost inbred hatred of MS and you have a near constant stream on low-level BS about Vista in places like this. The kicker is that most of the "I hate it!!!" rhetoric is coming from people who openly admit to having no experince with Vista.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Vista has been very badly misrepresented as simply XP+Aero when really there is a lot of great stuff in Vista, sidebar, super fetch, search, security, etc.

But that assumes you like Dock, err Sidebar. And that you need help with security. And that you lose track of your files.

It seems like a nice OS to buy for your grandma so she can surf safely and not get her PC infected quite so soon.

Or nice for people the like to mess around with weather map applets for the side-dock, or stock tickers, or some other toy applets.

Nothing wrong with all that, I just haven't found anything in Vista that is better for experienced users like me. Extra shininess doesn't count.

I consider myself a very experienced user, and frankly I don't get the correlation between that fact and not wanting a fuctional, secure and attractive OS to work with.

To each his own, sure, but there's no inherent superiority in popping for something new now and then.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Company of Heros ran like crap.

You may want to consider not blaiming this on Vista. CoH runs like an Olympic athlete on my box, no problems at all.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

No I will blame Vista because it ran flawlessly when I had XP installed.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
No I will blame Vista because it ran flawlessly when I had XP installed.

My god man, surely don't lay the blame on the drivers or something! If a BMW crashes into you, curse them Germans not the driver .

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
No I will blame Vista because it ran flawlessly when I had XP installed.

Jesus dude, the way you talk you might as well try shaking a shrunken head on a stick at your "gaming" laptop and chanting "bugga-bugga!" CoH runs GREAT on my box, under Vista, and that's a fact.

 

[n7]

This should thread should be renamed to why n00bs hate Vista, & why those of us using it love it

I installed Ultimate 64-bit on my HTPC/download machine last night, & i am finishing installing my normal appz, etc.

I expected trouble, & thus far i haven't had a single issue.

I didn't have to find drivers for a single piece of hardware, aside from downloading the full CCC suite for my X1300.

For what wasn't installed automatically, i just ran the search for driver thru the device manager, & it grabbed drivers for everything, including my generic sound card :Q

Little things like that are why i love Vista.

 

[mechBgon]

My brother has a computer that's....3-4 years old? AXP 1.43 GHz anyways, 512 MB RAM I think.
Parents have a 1.3 GHz Coppermine Celeron with 448 MB of RAM, grandma is sitting on a 2 GHz Athlon(because her old mobo broke down mostly) with 512 MB.
All of them have a proper line of defense, in the form of either a router or a local firewall.

And I assume their defense is more than just a firewall. Automatic Updates enabled, antivirus software, and maybe a non-Admin user account since you know what their value is.

None of those three OS features (firewall, updates, non-Admin account) is enabled by default on WinXP, prior to SP2 (and from the descriptions of the systems, they're pre-SP2). So if they do a system restoration back to WinXP RTM or WinXP SP1, someone's got to go set that stuff up again. Otherwise the vulnerable WinXP installation is just going to sit there with a big bulls-eye painted on it forevar. Even installing SP2 won't get them into the safety of a non-Admin user account.

By contrast, a default installation of Vista has 2½ of the three things I mentioned* (it doesn't give them a true non-Admin account by default, but runs their apps without Admin powers). If someone reverts their shiny new Vista system back to out-of-the-box condition, Vista will have its firewall up and be updating itself with security patches before the OS installation has even completed :camera: I'm sure this is not a welcome development to the malware-writing criminals :evil: and it's a pity Microsoft didn't enable the Internet Connection Firewall (later renamed the Windows Firewall when SP2 came out) and the Automatic Updates on WinXP by default, back in 2001.

Bottom line, after studying the security scene daily for years now, I see trends. It's time to stop waiting for the bad guys to make the first move, because they aren't just LOLZ I DELETED UR MP3S NOOB any more, they're LOL I NOW OWN UR IDENTITY AND I SOLDS IT FOR $12 AND IM BUYIN PIZZA, SORRY I RUINED UR LIFE BYE. Proactive safeguards and damage containment, their time has come IMHO. Because the stakes are too high IMO to wait for one's defenses to fail once, before upping one's security game.


*Vista also has other security enhancements that WinXP lacks entirely

 

[NicColt]

Has anyone even read some of Vista's fine print, I don't hate vista but some things about the EULA are really getting to me. If I can somehow get DX10 onto XP there's no way I'm going to risk installing vista.

According to the EULA

?Microsoft will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software.? It will once again ?send information about (whatever software) . . . version and product key of the software, and the Internet protocol address of the device.? to Microsoft."

Microsoft will not ask, it 'will' validate. It will then without asking 'send' information that you do not get to see back to Microsoft.

It goes on to say "If for some reason the software can't or phones home and gets or gives the wrong answer - irrespective of the reason - it will automatically disable itself."

Unless you can prove to the satisfaction of some automaton that the software is ?Genuine,? or more accurately, that under the relevant copyright laws that you have satisfied the requirements of the copyright laws and all of the terms of the End User License Agreement, the software will, on its own, go into a ?protect Microsoft? mode. Besides placing an annoying ?Get Genuine? banner on the screen, and limiting your ability to get upgrades, the EULA warns that ?you may not be able to use or continue to use some of the features of the software.?

All this means that even if you purchased a genuine licence to use Vista, Microsoft from time to time will REQUIRE access to your computer, will require that you send proof from whatever software, will require that you send specific information that you don't get to see to Microsoft, even if you don't want to and if for some reason it can't or you won't allow it, it doesn't care the software will disable itself.

So if for some reason Microsoft is at fault and there's a failure in the validation process and if your software and your business or network goes down because Microsoft can't validate and even though you have every licence to use the software, Microsoft then says that "you can recover from Microsoft and its suppliers only direct damages up to the amount you paid for the software. You cannot recover any other damages, including consequential, lost profits, special, indirect or incidental damages.? So if your computer or entire network is shut down and your business comes to a stand still and access to all your files permanently wiped out, you get your couple of hundred bucks back - at most."

Doesn't this bother anyone ???

 

[lxskllr]

"access to all your files permanently wiped out"

That's a little extreme. In an absolute worst case scenario you won't be able to work with your files for a short amount of time. You'll get to use them again eventually.

The activation/validation scheme bothers me, but MS has to do something to keep people from stealing it's products. I can't think of a better way to handle the problem tbh. Validation won't stop the real pirates, but it'll keep people from copying their friends Vista, and using it themselves.

Think about it. I consider myself a generally honest person, but if given free access to software with no hassle or strings attached I might go for it. I think most people are the same way. It might not even start as trying to screw MS out of money. "Well I'll just try Vista for a little while to see if I want to spend the money on it". After a month or so you get used to using it and "forget" that you owe MS some money. It's just human nature, and it's a large component of piracy. If MS can at least stop that, their getting somewhere. Not ideal, but they have to do something.



Edit: Btw, I love Vista. It has a few new tools that I really enjoy using, and I've had almost no problems with using it. I haven't booted to my XP partition in well over a month.

 

[Todd33]

My new Dell had the option of XP or Vista, I picked XP. I can think of no good reason to beta Vista. Slower, buggier and hardware/software compatibility issues. I'm sure it will be fine after SP1, but XP has had many years to be patched and have drivers optimised.

Edit: Oops, I picked XP over vista for many reasons.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: Todd33
My new Dell had the option of XP or Vista, I picked Vista. I can think of no good reason to beta Vista. Slower, buggier and hardware/software compatibility issues. I'm sure it will be fine after SP1, but XP has had many years to be patched and have drivers optimised.

Comparing my Vista and WinXP installations using Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer:

Vista needed 2 security updates since it was released.
WinXP SP2 needed 13 security updates in that same timespan.

I could see the issues about driver availability or software compatibility. But comparing the OSes themselves, it looks like WinXP is farther from bug-free even at this point. Are there specific Vista bugs that are on your mind? What are they?

 

[stash]

So if your computer or entire network is shut down and your business comes to a stand still and access to all your files permanently wiped out, you get your couple of hundred bucks back - at most

Your files are never wiped out, that is complete FUD.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: NicColt
Has anyone even read some of Vista's fine print, I don't hate vista but some things about the EULA are really getting to me. If I can somehow get DX10 onto XP there's no way I'm going to risk installing vista.

XP has Genuine Advantage. You're getting validated either way.
As for the rest, all I can say is "wow." Your bad dreams must be really bad.

 

[Farmer]

It's obviously chic to hate Microsoft products.

I'm gonna wait another 6 months, then put on Vista; I get it off of campus agreement anyway.