Why Does Everyone Hate Vista?!

[Sunner]

I don't think a whole lot of people do really.
But the ones who do(and more than likely they don't like MS much either) keep posting FUD and other junk over and over, making it seem like lots of people hate it.

Me, I don't really care.
From what I've seen, it has nothing new to offer me, so I'm staying with my current systems, but I don't feel the need to post about this 10 times per week.
I guess I'll get around to upgrading my main rig when DX10 becomes relevant, unless someone manages to get DX10 running on XP

 

[Bateluer]

I can get Vista Business fairly cheaply, though its a Student Select version, but I haven't yet. There are still a few DOS based titles that I've barely been about to get running under XP, not sure how they would run under Vista.

In a few years, everyone will be running Vista though.

 

[jjones]

I don't hate it, but I also don't need it right now; XP works just fine for me.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I can get Vista Business fairly cheaply, though its a Student Select version, but I haven't yet. There are still a few DOS based titles that I've barely been about to get running under XP, not sure how they would run under Vista.

In a few years, everyone will be running Vista though.

I'd guess DOSBox would work as well under Vista as it does under XP, which is to say, mostly fine

 

[randomlinh]

I welcome vista and the new interface... it's just on the mass sold sub $500 computers, it sucks on them. And we'll see more of that soon enough. And I'll wait a year for drivers to mature before I use it. XP+OSX for now.

 

[AnMig]

for me its the 1gb minimum requirment for it to run just basic stuff ( browsing, word ect). Then you have the 2gb requirment for it to be able to run games properly.

Is this poor coding? bloatware? I guess its doing a lot of security stuff in the background while you are gaming thats why it needs a lot of ram.

I have about 5 computers at home 2 of them have 1gb of ram each (lap top and Gaming pc), the others have 256-512mb for XP and they all run fine with light gaming and general stuff.

At some point I will migrate to Vista as XP will eventually not be supported.
Right now there is no compeling reason for me to go vista as XP has been very stable and secure for me at least.

By the time I changed from windows 98 to Windows XP it was a no brainer since it had very good driver, game support. But most of all it was very stable. For a while I became nostalgic for the blue screens common in windows 98.


By the time I migrate to Vista it will hopefully be a no brainer (good software and driver support, faster in games and general use takes advantage of the multiple Direct X games available)


My 2 cents

P.S.
I Have been messing around with SUSE 10.2 for the past few months and so far so good.

 

[bpatters69]

I personally detest Monopoly-soft and all it stands for. If MS would stick to getting their OS's right and stop being so concerned about dominating every aspecting of computing, the world would be a better place. Gates can go take a dive into a volcano for all I care.

Lastly, I don't think I should have to shell out $150+ for every new and old OS that MS developes. I needed to install a copy of XP the other day and the price is still $150+. Why is that the price of everything else comes down over time except MS OS's?

MONOPOLY!!!!

/rant

 

[stash]

Lastly, I don't think I should have to shell out $150+ for every new and old OS that MS developes. I needed to install a copy of XP the other day and the price is still $150+. Why is that the price of everything else comes down over time except MS OS's?

That's pretty cheap considering how long it will last you. XP will be supported until 2014, so that's 13-14 years of potential use of the product if you purchased it when it came out. Can you say that about any of the other components in your computer?

Apple charges what, $125 for each new version of OS X? And they were releasing them about once a year for a stretch. They don't have a monopoly.

And by the way, monopolies are not illegal. Using a monopoly to crowd out competition is, and the DOJ keeps a very close eye on Microsoft to make sure they are not doing that.

 

[KoolDrew]

There is a ridiculous amount of misinformation out there regarding Vista, which is too bad, since it's a fantastic OS.

Which is the main reason so many people hate it. Half the people I see on forums saying Vista sucks have no clue what they're talking about.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: KoolDrew

There is a ridiculous amount of misinformation out there regarding Vista, which is too bad, since it's a fantastic OS.

Which is the main reason so many people hate it. Half the people I see on forums saying Vista sucks have no clue what they're talking about.

It is a shame. I've been using Vista for a few months now and I think it is great.

 

[Rottie]

I hate Vista and Bill Gates for forcing me to overhaul my year old custom built rig.
Billy laugh at me because Vista will not work with new Creative Live Pro webcam and Billy laughed so hard that my Intel HaM fax modem will not do any good with Vista and Billy laughed really harshly because Vista told me to give up my ATI TV Wonder VE....You see everybody is upgrade to Vista and I have no way to sell them.

now you feel my PAIN?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Rottie
I hate Vista and Bill Gates for forcing me to overhaul my year old custom built rig.
Billy laugh at me because Vista will not work with new Creative Live Pro webcam and Billy laughed so hard that my Intel HaM fax modem will not do any good with Vista and Billy laughed really harshly because Vista told me to give up my ATI TV Wonder VE....You see everybody is upgrade to Vista and I have no way to sell them.

now you feel my PAIN?

dude, i have an HDTV wonder and it worked in vista pre-RC1 just fine.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Rottie
I hate Vista and Bill Gates for forcing me to overhaul my year old custom built rig.
Billy laugh at me because Vista will not work with new Creative Live Pro webcam and Billy laughed so hard that my Intel HaM fax modem will not do any good with Vista and Billy laughed really harshly because Vista told me to give up my ATI TV Wonder VE....You see everybody is upgrade to Vista and I have no way to sell them.

now you feel my PAIN?

I fail to see why Bill Gates or Microsoft is responsible for Creative having ****** driver support.
Maybe I should write hate letters to Linus Torvalds because my X-Fi won't work under Linux?

Get a clue.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Sunner
I fail to see why Bill Gates or Microsoft is responsible for Creative having ****** driver support.
Maybe I should write hate letters to Linus Torvalds because my X-Fi won't work under Linux?

Get a clue.

:laugh: :thumbsup:

 

[corkyg]

I don't hate it - I like it. I also like XP Pro. That's why I have one system on Vista and another on XP Pro. Eventually all will be on Vista. It is a solid performer in everything I have to do - and that does not include such time wasting frivolities as games.

 

[n7]

So basically this thread shows exactly what i mentioned.

Too many people who haven't even run the OS babbling about how it's no different from XP, & is crap, blah, blah.

The sad thing is that we have "knowledgeable" people like us on forums spreading misinformation, rather basing opinions off facts & actual usage.

I will be the first to say that Vista has its share of hassle associated with it, mainly since a lot of software companies didn't get around to to updating their applications/hardware for it.

But honestly, all things considered, they did a pretty good job overall i'd say.
And contrary to what some misinformers like to say, Vista itself is rock solid.
Issues with third party apps isn't the same thing.

Heck, they even make installing older peripherals very easy, as there are built in drivers for pretty much everything.

The one big drawback is that yes, you do need a good system to run Vista smoothly.

IMO, with XP, 512 MB RAM was the lowest anyone should run.
For Vista, that's now 1024 MB, so people with low end systems need not apply.

That being said, you can actually tweak Vista down to barely more RAM usage than XP if you want, but you'll be disabling many of features that make it worth running to an extent.
(http://www.speedyvista.com/)

And when it comes to RAM, i love the fact that general performance literally scales with how much RAM you have, since Vista basically puts it all to good use via Superfetch.
With XP, if you aren't utilizing the RAM you have, it pretty much goes to waste.
Whereas with Vista + Superfetch, the more RAM, the merrier

The indexed search feature i love also, since i have a few too many unsorted mp3s.
It's pretty awesome if you want searches done in a hurry.

The one dropback thus far is that although it's marketed as a gaming platform, games still have some issues.
Once again though, the majority work just fine.

Anyway, i don't think Vista is perfect, & frankly, it took me a few months to get it set up how i want, but i most certainly prefer it to XP, & i think the majority of people here would too if they actually ran it & gave it a chance.

 

[0roo0roo]

they don't like because its not mind blowing, and because its really only going to startbenifiting users in a year or two when pcs are loaded with enough standard ram and such. happens with every windows.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
they don't like because its not mind blowing, and because it's really only going to start benifiting users in a year or two

Breaking large amounts of existing malware is a benefit no one has to wait for, however Vista v. existing malware

Final score: Vista 95%, bad guys 5% :evil: And that's with no antivirus software.

Of course, no one can save a determined newbie from downloading Trojan Horses and pwning themselves. Although Vista's WIC capabilities might stop the Trojan from doing much harm, now that I think about it... Anyway, it's a start.

edit: please do not construe this as a claim that Vista is teh invincibles. Just pointing out that Microsoft has put a bunch of work into walking the tightrope of addressing the shortcomings of 2000/XP (in the hands of newbies especially) without completely alienating the users. more infos for those who are interested

The security-hardening stuff won't jump out at you like the transparent GUI, etc, but IMHO it's a big deal. Especially since this OS will face the worst that the bad guys can deal out for the next 10-12 years.

 

[MrBond]

My sister bought a Dell with Vista and I've done some setup for her, so I do actually have "hands on" experience.

Startup is very fast. The media center looks really cool, but I didn't explore it much since she's not interested.

I had a hell of a time getting printing going. First, Vista had no built in drivers (and HP didn't offer any) for either of her printers (one of which is a fairly new HP Laserjet). Some Google searching found that drivers for other printers would work as a workaround. The next problem was the network print server software wasn't properly configuring the printers. I had almost given up, but I eventually figured it out. Again, not really MS's fault. The same print spooler problems I've had in the past with XP also cropped up in Vista.

The search was really random. I didn't think it was actually doing anything and there didn't appear to be any "search" button to use. THen the results appeared suddenly. That wasn't the first time there was a massive "lag" (it wasn't system lag because other things worked fine) between me trying to do something and it actually occurring.

I've been running XP for so long, maybe I had the same problems when it came out. To me, Vista just doesn't seem "finished".

I am very happy with XP and will probably continue to use it as long as I can. The only reasons I might install Vista would be on a Media Center PC, or so I can use DX10 (although there is work being done on a DX10 wrapper for XP, so maybe I wouldn't have to upgrade for that)

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: MrBond
The search was really random. I didn't think it was actually doing anything and there didn't appear to be any "search" button to use. THen the results appeared suddenly. That wasn't the first time there was a massive "lag" (it wasn't system lag because other things worked fine) between me trying to do something and it actually occurring.

Vista uses a filter-based search. Once you're in the "search mode", if you change the string, it will research using that string. If not, you can just go to the top right, type in your query and hit enter. But just remember, if you're in an explorer window doing that, it does search recursively from your current location, not the entire computer.

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
dude, i have an HDTV wonder and it worked in vista pre-RC1 just fine.

There are no drivers for any of the TV Wonder cards. I'd know because I own one (ATi TV Wonder Pro Remote) and it's currently listed as "Unknown Multimedia Device" and there are no drivers on ATi's website for it. Also, it seems ATi pulled the remote control software and driver. Although, Windows Update has the driver, there's still no software. I may try the Windows XP software, but I'd worry a bit about harming my install. I guess I could always safe mode it .

Originally posted by: bpatters69
Lastly, I don't think I should have to shell out $150+ for every new and old OS that MS developes. I needed to install a copy of XP the other day and the price is still $150+. Why is that the price of everything else comes down over time except MS OS's?

You know, for as often as you use Windows compared to other software on your machine, you shouldn't complain about the price tag. Microsoft Word 2007 costs about $100 alone, and you may not even use that every day! You use Windows (or whatever OS you have), whenever you turn on your computer and regardless of whatever software you're running. Yes, it can seem expensive, but once you realize how much you depend on your OS, the money factor isn't really as big as you make it.

Originally posted by: randomlinh
I welcome vista and the new interface... it's just on the mass sold sub $500 computers, it sucks on them. And we'll see more of that soon enough. And I'll wait a year for drivers to mature before I use it. XP+OSX for now.

Well, those PCs won't even see the new interface as they'll have Vista Home Basic installed which is fairly stripped feature-wise. But honestly, if you're only paying $500 for a whole PC, you shouldn't expect the best.

 

[FoBoT]

I :heart: Vista

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
It provides nothing new and people are pretty much forced to use it via new PC purchases.

Doing things like putting DirectX 10 on Vista and not XP piss me off. I might seriousloy consider Linux soon. Than kgod someone is hacking directX10 to work with XP.

Vista is basically turning into WIndows 2000. Remember that OS?

Yeah for it's time that was quite possibly one of the greatest OSs ever written. I hope history judges Vista the same.

Not understanding why DX10 doesn't run on XP shows a lack of knowledge. Ranting about it makes you look like a noob.


Me? Been running Vista RTM since November...getting close to 6 months now. No showstoppers here. Works great and makes XP feel really dated now that I'm used to it. It cracks me up when people tell me what my Vista experience is like.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sunner
I fail to see why Bill Gates or Microsoft is responsible for Creative having ****** driver support.
Maybe I should write hate letters to Linus Torvalds because my X-Fi won't work under Linux?

Get a clue.

:laugh: :thumbsup:

Yes, creative has had the most wonderful drivers ever written under XP. :roll:

It's clearly a MS problem if code they never touch doesn't work :disgust:

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sunner
I fail to see why Bill Gates or Microsoft is responsible for Creative having ****** driver support.
Maybe I should write hate letters to Linus Torvalds because my X-Fi won't work under Linux?

Get a clue.

:laugh: :thumbsup:

Yes, creative has had the most wonderful drivers ever written under XP. :roll:

It's clearly a MS problem if code they never touch doesn't work :disgust:

No need to discriminate.
Creative never had good driver support for any OS really.

 

[fallensight]

MY machine is an XP set up. I do not plan on upgrading tp Vista with this one, but whenever I build a new one I will move on over. I recently built my brother a machine with Vista on it. Never ahd any problems getting it running. No issues with any hardware. The printer, a 2 year old cannon, plugged into the USB port, and was good to go. Didnt need to download anything.

If you have xp, there isnt a reason to upgrade yet. PC gamers wanting DX10 games when they roll out may be the only reason. However if you are getting a new machine, there is no reason not to build with Vista. Just dont expect several year old parts that the makers no longer support to work. Some of the complaints about vista make as much sense as buying a DVD player and getting mad the VHS wont play with it.